Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Of course it does .... Its matters as much as the Avengers having King Thor rather than his traditional counter part.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off, WW could have ended the fights just as quickly. as we saw supers was taken over by max lord. now that she carries her sword of hephestious, sandles, and guantlet in her dome, she certainly can end it if need be. And Herc has soloed thor many times. have they or have they not had some good fights? that is soloing right? and WW has more powers than herc, and is just as strong if not stronger. Most people think WW can beat the Hulk. So know she can solo Thor. And when Thor's Hammer can harm Superman with the slightest touch, and his hammer can Block ALL incoming beams, no matter how powerful, and his belt gives him ten times his strength, then yeah, his weapons will be better. even her sandles can let her dimension hop.
Proof? You said she could end the fight just as quick, do you have anything to back this claim?
🙄 The only time Thor, and Herc ever have stalemates in fights is when they go h2h. Herc has the slight edge in the department, although he and Thor both are excellent fighters.
Who cares if WW can defeat the Hulk? Thor has killed the Hulk.... with one arm. 😉
Um Mjolnir can do just about anything, including absorb blast, dimensional travel, etc, etc.
I just thought we were going with standard equipment? ok Then Throw in the belt of strength, and his gauntlets. Shall we thrown in the executioner axe as well?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not going to respond to your last part, I know what I know and have read.As far as Thor being over heralds. Not so. Thor is herald lvl. Anything higher moves into sky father range and abstact range. The only two heralds who are close to sky father have been surfer and morg. Classic Thor is not a sky father. which would put him in Herald range.
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Herald lv characters are no where near the lv of skyfathers. Surfer, and Morg would both be completely demolished by Odin, Zeus, Seth, etc.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
I think we're just going to have to disagree on that, for as powerful as the ring makes Hal and Kyle on the outside, their insides, minds, and emotions are still fundamentally human. Thus, they are subject to (along with feats that may match Surfer's) ludicrously low showings. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a Surfer showing lower than Kyle getting pwned by Deathstroke and Deadshot during Identity Crisis.And suppose Surfer is at his best: can you give me an argument why he couldn't analyze and manipulate Oan energy as he has done with the Odinpower? Have Hal or Kyle easily manipulated mystical energies the like of Shazam and such?
Again, my most recent argument is not that Surfer can beat the JLA, but that he was the equal or better of a high-end GL before his powerup, and is easily the superior of a single (possibly two) GL now.
even though hal and kyle might be FUNDAMENTALLY human and subject to low MENTAL showings. the rings themselves are NOT and they protect the user automatically without the user thinking. the emerald energy does that by itself. not to mention tthat the power cosmic is also s TOOL. and norrin was also a HUMANOID and dreams/sleeps etc. he has a very HUMAN mind and emotional weaknesses. and the oa energy can only be controlled by a RING bearer of the gl corp. nothing but the ring{or a power greater than the entire oa energy itself} can control it without a ring.
Wonder Woman's major weakness is her questionable durability.
She can take concussive force and blunt force damage from powerhouses like Superman and those in his leagues, but projectile weapon or focused energy beams are her achille's heel.
Surfer with his cosmic senses will just wait for the nanosecond his brain will receive the infos about WW, we all know SS was able to exploit Glad's weakness cause of his cosmic senses, and he'll just kill Diana with an heart aimed focused beam of energy.
And one is down.
Flash is hella powerful.I saw scans of him running into space, but can he really fly?Cause flight is one of Surfer's major advantage.A superfast manouver and energy blasts able to level cities all around him, are not in Flash league of resistance, so he's out.
Superman?Kryptonite Blast, Mjolnir's Anti-Force.
Batman?Oh yeah, the mighty batkic, the godly belt, and not to mention he has access to his pre-crisis powers, which make him able to beat even CHUCK NORRIS.Thor kick Bats in the chest, Batman dies and his body lands on Saturn.
Martian Manhunter while phasing intangible is encased from some external energy and reshaped into an armchair.
Now it's Hal and Kyle, vs Surfer and Thor.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Wonder Woman's major weakness is her questionable durability.
She can take concussive force and blunt force damage from powerhouses like Superman and those in his leagues, but projectile weapon or focused energy beams are her achille's heel.
Surfer with his cosmic senses will just wait for the nanosecond his brain will receive the infos about WW, we all know SS was able to exploit Glad's weakness cause of his cosmic senses, and he'll just kill Diana with an heart aimed focused beam of energy.
And one is down.
Flash is hella powerful.I saw scans of him running into space, but can he really fly?Cause flight is one of Surfer's major advantage.A superfast manouver and energy blasts able to level cities all around him, are not in Flash league of resistance, so he's out.
Superman?Kryptonite Blast, Mjolnir's Anti-Force.
Batman?Oh yeah, the mighty batkic, the godly belt, and not to mention he has access to his pre-crisis powers, which make him able to beat even CHUCK NORRIS.Thor kick Bats in the chest, Batman dies and his body lands on Saturn.
Martian Manhunter while phasing intangible is encased from some external energy and reshaped into an armchair.
Now it's Hal and Kyle, vs Surfer and Thor.
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Originally posted by K3VIL
Wonder Woman's major weakness is her questionable durability.
She can take concussive force and blunt force damage from powerhouses like Superman and those in his leagues, but projectile weapon or focused energy beams are her achille's heel.
Surfer with his cosmic senses will just wait for the nanosecond his brain will receive the infos about WW, we all know SS was able to exploit Glad's weakness cause of his cosmic senses, and he'll just kill Diana with an heart aimed focused beam of energy.
And one is down.
Flash is hella powerful.I saw scans of him running into space, but can he really fly?Cause flight is one of Surfer's major advantage.A superfast manouver and energy blasts able to level cities all around him, are not in Flash league of resistance, so he's out.
Superman?Kryptonite Blast, Mjolnir's Anti-Force.
Batman?Oh yeah, the mighty batkic, the godly belt, and not to mention he has access to his pre-crisis powers, which make him able to beat even CHUCK NORRIS.Thor kick Bats in the chest, Batman dies and his body lands on Saturn.
Martian Manhunter while phasing intangible is encased from some external energy and reshaped into an armchair.
Now it's Hal and Kyle, vs Surfer and Thor.
And the JLA will be doing what while they are being killed?
Originally posted by Tassadar
And the JLA will be doing what while they are being killed?
My question exactly. The question isn't "Can the Surfer kill each of the JLA members consecutively?" it's "Can be BEAT them, in a fight?"
Which, unequivocally, is no.
A better topic might be a gauntlet, where he fights them one right after another, but without rest. He'd probably manage to clear it, actually 😬.
Still. He can't take them all simultaneously.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
even though hal and kyle might be FUNDAMENTALLY human and subject to low MENTAL showings. the rings themselves are NOT and they protect the user automatically without the user thinking. the emerald energy does that by itself. not to mention tthat the power cosmic is also s TOOL. and norrin was also a HUMANOID and dreams/sleeps etc. he has a very HUMAN mind and emotional weaknesses. and the oa energy can only be controlled by a RING bearer of the gl corp. nothing but the ring{or a power greater than the entire oa energy itself} can control it without a ring.
No, SS in all aspects is no longer human, i shuoldent have to explain why