Originally posted by Soujaboy
Are you not going to address my argument?
Diana without her braclets could probably take some blast from surfer. She has taken beatings from being far superior to Surfer. But in a prolonged, one on one, surfer would win. She can't beat him unless she managed to hit him with her sword or a lasso. That probably won't happen. Surfer is fast. but who knows, he let the slow ass hulk hit him many times. in my mind, she recognizes the surfer for what he is and puts up her force field and teleports away using her sandles. The surfer out classes all of the jla except MM and the GL's.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Diana without her braclets could probably take some blast from surfer. She has taken beatings from being far superior to Surfer. But in a prolonged, one on one, surfer would win. She can't beat him unless she managed to hit him with her sword or a lasso. That probably won't happen. Surfer is fast. but who knows, he let the slow ass hulk hit him many times. in my mind, she recognizes the surfer for what he is and puts up her force field and teleports away using her sandles. The surfer out classes of of the jla except MM and the GL's.
I was talking about the ones on page 60 or 61 😐
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Proof? You said she could end the fight just as quick, do you have anything to back this claim?🙄 The only time Thor, and Herc ever have stalemates in fights is when they go h2h. Herc has the slight edge in the department, although he and Thor both are excellent fighters.
Who cares if WW can defeat the Hulk? Thor has killed the Hulk.... with one arm. 😉
Um Mjolnir can do just about anything, including absorb blast, dimensional travel, etc, etc.
I just thought we were going with standard equipment? ok Then Throw in the belt of strength, and his gauntlets. Shall we thrown in the executioner axe as well?
Ur only reading part of my argument from when I was arguing against someone else. They said that Ww withour her weapons was just a brawler. and I said the same of thor. then we got into this debate about who actually has the better magical weapons. of course she does. and then he said I can't take thor's hammer away becuz it's part of the character. and i said, yeah but it's ok to take diana's away for sake of an argument. So I dont' know exactly what you want from me. Besides, in a hand to hand, Diana is as strong as thor if not stronger, as her strength feats are very very very impressive, and she is faster than him, having the speed of the god of speed, and she can fly. they both are probably evenly skilled in h2h so it would come down to her speed and flight. Thor's hammer is a ***** and gives him even more power. But any and all of her magical weapons that she now carries as standard equipment are a match for anything thor can crank out. She is the perfect Defense brick. She is made for defense. She really only has 2 offensive weapons. Both made to kill gods. She rarely uses either. In any case, she could have killed superman with her Tiara. As it was shown, she cut his neck and chin very easily. She could have thrown the tiara to sever his head. And he could have punched her into the sun if she didnt' have the power of flight to pull herself out of the trajectory.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur only reading part of my argument from when I was arguing against someone else. They said that Ww withour her weapons was just a brawler. and I said the same of thor. then we got into this debate about who actually has the better magical weapons. of course she does. and then he said I can't take thor's hammer away becuz it's part of the character. and i said, yeah but it's ok to take diana's away for sake of an argument. So I dont' know exactly what you want from me. Besides, in a hand to hand, Diana is as strong as thor if not stronger, as her strength feats are very very very impressive, and she is faster than him, having the speed of the god of speed, and she can fly. they both are probably evenly skilled in h2h so it would come down to her speed and flight. Thor's hammer is a ***** and gives him even more power. But any and all of her magical weapons that she now carries as standard equipment are a match for anything thor can crank out. She is the perfect Defense brick. She is made for defense. She really only has 2 offensive weapons. Both made to kill gods. She rarely uses either. In any case, she could have killed superman with her Tiara. As it as shown she cut his neck and chin very easily. She could have thrown the tiara to sever his head. And he could have punched her into the sun if she didnt' have the power of flight to pull herself out of the trajectory.
Can you give me a list of all Weapons, and on panel evidence of what they do?
How fast is she exactly?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Diana without her braclets could probably take some blast from surfer. She has taken beatings from being far superior to Surfer. But in a prolonged, one on one, surfer would win. She can't beat him unless she managed to hit him with her sword or a lasso. That probably won't happen. Surfer is fast. but who knows, he let the slow ass hulk hit him many times. in my mind, she recognizes the surfer for what he is and puts up her force field and teleports away using her sandles. The surfer out classes all of the jla except MM and the GL's.
ss outclasses j'onnz rather handily, imo. mm's best bet would be tp, but ss's resistance to tp is almost unequalled, withstanding a full-power, killing blast from moondragon with the gem. he's even used the power cosmic in the form of a telekinetic assault in the past. nothing else j'onn could do would be a threat to ss. mm's tp WOULD be a distraction to him though, if not an outright threat. and in THIS scenario, a distraction is all that is needed.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Can you give me a list of all Weapons, and on panel evidence of what they do?How fast is she exactly?
Well She has the shield of aegis. ( her braclets)
That was a shield forged for zeus in battle with the titans. It is unbreakable by any known force in the universe. When she crosses them. they make a force field of the same magnitude in strength that covers her entire body.
She has the lariat of truth that is unbreakable unless someone somehow is able to destroy thruth. THe universal thruth. It can command, break telepathic holds, destroy illusions ect. And all of these powers reside in diana, she uses the lass o much like thor uses his hammer, as a focus.
She has the magical tiara that can cut thru any substance and she has used it to decapitate even mythological beings of great power.
She has the sandles of hermes that allow her interdimensional travel and even greater speed in that they allow her to teleport.
She has the sword of Hephaestus which can cleave elctrons from atoms and cut superman in kingdome come just by him running his finger lightly across it.
She has the guantlet of atlas which increases her strength by ten. She doesn't use it often because she says that it is too difficult to control and she is scared she may kill someone unintentionally.
She has use of the God wave. The all powerful force in the DCU that gave every God and superbeing in existance their powers. She can only use it for the breifest of time or else her body would be destroyed from all the power.
She has the wonderdome wich is a mighy weapon all in and of itself.
She has the Medusa's head. You already know what medusa can do
She has the strength of the earth itself and can lift anything on earth including pulling the earth
She is connected to the Earth and can use the earth and give her self a healing factor of immeasurable speed if she needs to.
and Many more things. But this is her standard MO.
As far as how fast she is. The OMAC files, have superman's speed as A1 and they have Diana's speed as A1.
Originally posted by leonidas
ss outclasses j'onnz rather handily, imo. mm's best bet would be tp, but ss's resistance to tp is almost unequalled, withstanding a full-power, killing blast from moondragon with the gem. he's even used the power cosmic in the form of a telekinetic assault in the past. nothing else j'onn could do would be a threat to ss. mm's tp WOULD be a distraction to him though, if not an outright threat. and in THIS scenario, a distraction is all that is needed.
HMM. So jon with his complete mastery over his molecules couldn't just pass thru the surfer and solidfy. it's not like the surfer can just pummel jonn. Jonn is one tuff cookie if you dont' know how to beat him. besides, Jonn can go immaterial and mess with surfers mind, then attack and go immaterial again. He can use his tp enough to slow down surfers reflexes if nothing else. In a one on one, MM can give surfer a good 2 page fight before surfer eventually wins. in my opinion, that is what makes someone in surfers class. Any jler can be written to feasably give the surfer a good fight. and Mm and the gl's are the only one's who I think can be written to pull off a clear victory. But in a battle like this, surfer doesn't want to be slowed down even a little with the likes of the jla around.
True, Im not even debating on the battle. SS and Thor arnt going to win this fight. I know that. I dont think it would be a 15 second curbstomp either. I was actually eluding to that ability having merit in a fight against MM. I think he could affect him in his intangible state. Even intangible his molecules are still present, even if out of phase.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
I think one of SS most useful powers is his control of matter on the molecular level. He can actually change matter to different forms. He's not on Sersi's level of experstise but he's pretty damn good at it.
Ohh, Id have to disagree on that, I think SS surpasses Sersi in matter manipulation 2 levels above..
Regarding this fight, the duo losses but not a curbstomp.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
True, Im not even debating on the battle. SS and Thor arnt going to win this fight. I know that. I dont think it would be a 15 second curbstomp either. I was actually eluding to that ability having merit in a fight against MM. I think he could affect him in his intangible state. Even intangible his molecules are still present, even if out of phase.
It's not the fact that he can affect them, he can. but not easily. Jonn has complete control over his own molecular state. That means he can pretty much do anything to his form that ss can do to outside things. Given the fact that MM is a telepath, a omega lvl one at that, his will power is enough to over ride any transmuting surfer might try to do to him. and jonn can always be attacking him telepathically at the same time that he is battling him physically. it was my same argument with nate grey against superman. someone who wields vast telepathy and physical powers is so hard to beat.
Sersi is the only level 5 matter/energy manipulator among the eternals. Thats even counting Zuras, and Zuras is the prime eternal. Thats why she can turn gods into frogs and such. I dont think SS can beat MM real easy but I do think he can beat him. SS has withstood moondragon with gem and thats really saying something.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's not the fact that he can affect them, he can. but not easily. Jonn has complete control over his own molecular state. That means he can pretty much do anything to his form that ss can do to outside things. Given the fact that MM is a telepath, a omega lvl one at that, his will power is enough to over ride any transmuting surfer might try to do to him. and jonn can always be attacking him telepathically at the same time that he is battling him physically. it was my same argument with nate grey against superman. someone who wields vast telepathy and physical powers is so hard to beat.
SS has destroyed an omega level telepath, (cable & deadpool #18?) so i dont see MM giving SS very much trouble 1on1, i can see him flukeing 1, MAYBE 2 matches, under unknown circumstances but thiers not much MM can do to ss that he cant overcome. Granted Mm could prolly do something wierd, like break his surfboard, but SS was seemingly unphazed by this in the past, and recreated it in an instant
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
SS has destroyed an omega level telepath, (cable & deadpool #18?) so i dont see MM giving SS very much trouble 1on1, i can see him flukeing 1, MAYBE 2 matches, under unknown circumstances but thiers not much MM can do to ss that he cant overcome. Granted Mm could prolly do something wierd, like break his surfboard, but SS was seemingly unphazed by this in the past, and recreated it in an instant
Marvel has nothing like MM in thier entire character roster. Their is no one in DC like MM. It is even said that he has dozens more powers that he hasn't even revealed. Surfer will win, but not fast and not easy.