Go to the Netherlands, walk around for a few days and tell me that it is not addictive. The number of homeless pot heads that will walk up to you wanting money for weed is through the roof. Holland is a great place and a very fun holiday destination... I just don't want to live there.
I also know half a dozen people who have moved from weed to coke because weed was no longer giving them the same effect it used to and they craved more. You can bring up any evidence you want but I have seen this with my own eyes. I've seen friends get sucked in to it (becoming boring twats in the process).
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Go to the Netherlands, walk around for a few days and tell me that it is not addictive. The number of homeless pot heads that will walk up to you wanting money for weed is through the roof. Holland is a great place and a very fun holiday destination... I just don't want to live there.I also know half a dozen people who have moved from weed to coke because weed was no longer giving them the same effect it used to and they craved more. You can bring up any evidence you want but I have seen this with my own eyes. I've seen friends get sucked in to it (becoming boring twats in the process).
If i were homeless I'd be begging for weed too. I've been smoking for almost 3 years straight now. I seem to have a good head on my shoulders, not even my parents can tell i smoke daily and i see them daily.
I'm actually taking a week break starting tomorrow for vegasssss
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Go to the Netherlands, walk around for a few days and tell me that it is not addictive. The number of homeless pot heads that will walk up to you wanting money for weed is through the roof. Holland is a great place and a very fun holiday destination... I just don't want to live there.I also know half a dozen people who have moved from weed to coke because weed was no longer giving them the same effect it used to and they craved more. You can bring up any evidence you want but I have seen this with my own eyes. I've seen friends get sucked in to it (becoming boring twats in the process).
That is true, but making it illegal does not fix that. All that prohibition does is promote criminal activity. Prohibition did not stop people from drinking alcohol, and the current prohibition does not keep people from smoking pot.
On the News a CEO spoke up stating that the crime in Detroit was worse than the Middle East. He said that Detroit is one of the worse crime cities in the world (I don't believe that though), and said that we should consider legallizing it. In that way it would take away the motive for the crime here. Many think it's a good idea.
BTW, you can get drugs anywhere here. Anything you want. Heroin is real big. I know lots of people doing that. It's a shame really.
Originally posted by MairuzuI think the wanting for weed came before the homelessness as a good percentage of the people who were homeless and asking were in fact tourists.
If i were homeless I'd be begging for weed too. I've been smoking for almost 3 years straight now. I seem to have a good head on my shoulders, not even my parents can tell i smoke daily and i see them daily.I'm actually taking a week break starting tomorrow for vegasssss
You saying that you've not changed and that you're a stand up bloke doesn't prove you are. I'm sure a lot of people may beg to differ. Even if you've not changed that doesn't mean that it doesn't change others. Not everyone gets addicted or effected by alcohol in the same way so it's only natural that weed would have the same differences.
I can say without a shadow of a doubt that no stoner I've met has ever been fantastic company. (and this is coming from someone who used to be a stoner)
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonWe're not taling about making it illegal though. We're talking about making it legal.
That is true, but making it illegal does not fix that. All that prohibition does is promote criminal activity. Prohibition did not stop people from drinking alcohol, and the current prohibition does not keep people from smoking pot.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Yeah, but ever get into a conversation with them and you'll be fast asleep.
😉
lol, hit me up sometime, we'll shatter some stereotypes
Originally posted by dadudemon
I wouldn't go as far as to say "nowhere near as bad."You're much safer when you stick to 'vaporizing" in both senses of "safe." I try to avoid scientifically debatable stances when it comes to weed, as it can quickly get out of hand. With vaping, you can quickly defeat someone's arguments against it for safety. Smoking it, not so much...even compared to a cigarette.
We could quickly cite some studies that show Smoking weed makes you much more susceptible to pneumonia and other illnesses associated with the respiratory system. Despite MJ working against some of the carcinogenic effects of a cig, MJ can still contribute to the causes of cancer.
Vaping? Not so much. In fact, in some of the work done, the "cancer" properties are little to nothing. Pneumonia...not so much. One study I read said that the side effects were almost completely gone (the undesirable ones.) And that the majority of people are completely safe vaping with a few having allergies or something.
you are correct, Vaping is much better than other methods of administration, but, do a quick pubmed man, there is no comparison between cigs and pot. There is only a single study to date that shows there are some carcenogenic chemicals in pot smoke (as in, that link actual occourances of cancer in mice to extreme doses of marijuana), and any links with psychosis are still at best correlational and even then only imply that marijuana is a trigger and not a cause.
I'm the last person who is going to say "oh ya, safe, go do it", but comparing to cigs, pot is nearly innert. Its most serious effects are the ones that Robtard pointed out (the habitual use leading to "pot-headedness"😉 and there is really no reason to believe that pot leads to serious long term problems, other than like having a gunked up respritory tract.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Pot doesn't give you withdrawals, it doesn't create a chemical desire to get more.
-AC
unfortunatly, a lot of the stuff people know about pot comes from the 70s pseudo-science or drug culture, and not the most recent medical studies (which are all over the place now, and have VERY good methodology).
Just to point out, I agree that pot probably shouldn't be classified as an addiction, at least in comparison to hardewr drugs (your comparison to gaming I think is apt, if gaming had a specific chemical effect on the mind, rather than just a dopamanergic reward response [blah, if you want I can do a better job of explaining that]).
However, studies that measured to subjective feelings of withdrawl have shown that people who give up pot undergo more withdrawl than to those who give up cigarettes.
Originally posted by The Nuul
All of the full time pot heads I know still do pot and have full time careers and jobs. Some even with Kids. The pot heads in Europe must be different.
not to brag, but I'm a published neuroscientist and I get high several times a day...
if anything, drugs have made me much better at what I do.
This nonsense about being uninteresting or unproductive as a drug user is ridiculous. Most people, period, are uninteresting and unproductive.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I think the wanting for weed came before the homelessness as a good percentage of the people who were homeless and asking were in fact tourists.You saying that you've not changed and that you're a stand up bloke doesn't prove you are. I'm sure a lot of people may beg to differ. Even if you've not changed that doesn't mean that it doesn't change others. Not everyone gets addicted or effected by alcohol in the same way so it's only natural that weed would have the same differences.
I can say without a shadow of a doubt that no stoner I've met has ever been fantastic company. (and this is coming from someone who used to be a stoner)
I only hang out with stoners, everyone else seems to bore me in this state, a state full of stoners I might add.
Almost my entire family smokes pot, most of them on a regular basis such as me.(Mainly referring to cousins, a few aunts and uncles) 10 of us total. I have a pretty good amount of friends and 80% of which smoke, awesome people, awesome stories. Just because they're boring and dull to you does not mean it is that way for everyone else. Looks like you got the short end of the bud.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Go to the Netherlands, walk around for a few days and tell me that it is not addictive. The number of homeless pot heads that will walk up to you wanting money for weed is through the roof. Holland is a great place and a very fun holiday destination... I just don't want to live there.I also know half a dozen people who have moved from weed to coke because weed was no longer giving them the same effect it used to and they craved more. You can bring up any evidence you want but I have seen this with my own eyes. I've seen friends get sucked in to it (becoming boring twats in the process).
I'll tell you it's not addictive because it's scientifically not.
Your eyes and opinion don't trump science.
-AC
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonNo I get your point, I don't really see why it's illegal. However actually legalising it also seems pointless. It's not hard to get a hold of, there is pretty much no punishment as a casual user. It jsut doens't seem worth a change in culture.
So, you had no idea what my point was? We might as well legalize pot, because prohibition does not work.
Originally posted by MairuzuWell obviously stoners find eachother entertaining. This doesn't mean that others do.
I only hang out with stoners, everyone else seems to bore me in this state, a state full of stoners I might add.Almost my entire family smokes pot, most of them on a regular basis such as me.(Mainly referring to cousins, a few aunts and uncles) 10 of us total. I have a pretty good amount of friends and 80% of which smoke, awesome people, awesome stories. Just because they're boring and dull to you does not mean it is that way for everyone else. Looks like you got the short end of the bud.
Originally posted by §P0oONYAt parties, I beg to differ.
No I get your point, I don't really see why it's illegal. However actually legalising it also seems pointless. It's not hard to get a hold of, there is pretty much no punishment as a casual user. It jsut doens't seem worth a change in culture.Well obviously stoners find eachother entertaining. This doesn't mean that others do.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThere is plenty of evidence that goes along with it being a gateway drug. There is no scientific fact, only evidence. I still think that this addiction stuff isn't a closed case.
I'll tell you it's not addictive because it's scientifically not.Your eyes and opinion don't trump science.
-AC
THere is no such thing as scientific fact. There is just a theory that is accepted to be correct until it's disproved. Science isn't always the ace in the hole. I've seen it effect people and that is good enough evidence to satisy me.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
There is plenty of evidence that goes along with it being a gateway drug. There is no scientific fact, only evidence. I still think that this addiction stuff isn't a closed case.
No, there most certainly is not
please provide such evidence, because I am not aware of it
Originally posted by §P0oONY
THere is no such thing as scientific fact. There is just a theory that is accepted to be correct until it's disproved. Science isn't always the ace in the hole. I've seen it effect people and that is good enough evidence to satisy me.
these "people" obviously aren't psychologists, and they certainly wouldn't be those who study the effects of drug use
please share these sources with us