Should Marijuana Be Legalized?

Originally posted by §P0oONY
So you agree that weed can be used to ruin your life then?

anything which people use as a way to deflect the issues they need to address in their life can do such, its pretty straight forward.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Look, I'm not going to change my mind on this so lets end it. It is illegal and it's certainly not going to be legalised in the near future so currently it's not me that should be moaning.

The problem is, it is people like you who keep it illegal. You have no basis for what you believe, your opinions are easily shown to be incorrect, and yet you still feel your ignorance on the issue is a valid argument against, well, in this case, science.

You are the problem here. people's lives are ruined everyday because people like you wont even try to argue your cause. You feel you are right and stick your fingers in your ears as if acting like an infant were a viable position in real political discourse.

Originally posted by inimalist
anything which people use as a way to deflect the issues they need to address in their life can do such, its pretty straight forward.

The problem is, it is people like you who keep it illegal. You have no basis for what you believe, your opinions are easily shown to be incorrect, and yet you still feel your ignorance on the issue is a valid argument against, well, in this case, science.

You are the problem here. people's lives are ruined everyday because people like you wont even try to argue your cause. You feel you are right and stick your fingers in your ears as if acting like an infant were a viable position in real political discourse.

Look I don't know how it is in the states but here in the UK you simply don't get reprimanded to it. So long as you don't do something like smoke weed in front of a police officer you're fine. There is simply no real reason why it needs to be made legal.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll tell you it's not addictive because it's scientifically not.

Your eyes and opinion don't trump science.

-AC

Well, as inimalist slightly hinted at, you can become addicted to the idea/reward of the high, similar to being addicted to being in love. It's a neurochemical addiction, related to dopamine.

In fact, we can, scientifically, say that some people are addicated to marajuana.

But, I think that some people are psychologically addicted to it, and not physically. Some people do report withdrawals that are everybit physical.

We, can, however, say that it is far less addicting than Alcohol, Cocaine, etc.

On that note, people are addicted to working out. Again, goes back to the reward.

Edit - I took AC off of ignore. Summer is coming and I'm going to need as much AC as possible, if I'm going to stay cool.

If you smoked weed you probably would have had a better joke.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
If there was a vote on it I simply wouldn't vote. So I'm not the problem.

Look I don't know how it is in the states but here in the UK you simply don't get reprimanded to it. So long as you don't do something like smoke weed in front of a police officer you're fine. There is simply no real reason why it needs to be made legal.

Things shouldn't have reasons to be "made" legal. They should have reasons to be made illegal. Default should be legal.

Originally posted by inimalist
you are correct, Vaping is much better than other methods of administration, but, do a quick pubmed man, there is no comparison between cigs and pot. There is only a single study to date that shows there are some carcenogenic chemicals in pot smoke (as in, that link actual occourances of cancer in mice to extreme doses of marijuana), and any links with psychosis are still at best correlational and even then only imply that marijuana is a trigger and not a cause.

I'm the last person who is going to say "oh ya, safe, go do it", but comparing to cigs, pot is nearly innert. Its most serious effects are the ones that Robtard pointed out (the habitual use leading to "pot-headedness"😉 and there is really no reason to believe that pot leads to serious long term problems, other than like having a gunked up respritory tract.

I wouldn't go as far as to say "innert", but I agree there is a scientific difference, which has clinical significance, between cigs and pot. The gap is so large that no one person can justify the illegality of MJ, whle justifying the legality of tobacco cigs. (Wow, that was cumbersone. I should think about that and try to reword it better, without having to type a paragraph out.)

Both are harmful, when smoked. MJ is more harmful than smoking a random leaf off the ground. But it is not as harmful as tobacky. Wait, what about the "all natural" kind of tobacky? I haven't read any studies son that....

Originally posted by Mairuzu
If you smoked weed you probably would have had a better joke.

True dat.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Things shouldn't have reasons to be "made" legal. They should have reasons to be made illegal. Default should be legal.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I wouldn't go as far as to say "innert", but I agree there is a scientific difference, which has clinical significance, between cigs and pot. The gap is so large that no one person can justify the illegality of MJ, whle justifying the legality of tobacco cigs. (Wow, that was cumbersone. I should think about that and try to reword it better, without having to type a paragraph out.)

Both are harmful, when smoked. MJ is more harmful than smoking a random leaf off the ground. But it is not as harmful as tobacky. Wait, what about the "all natural" kind of tobacky? I haven't read any studies son that....

all natural tobacco still contains nicotine, iirc, and that alone is much more harmful than pot... ****, i think at least...

but ya, the chems in cigs are the worst part...

In the UK pot is mostly smoked with tobacco in a spliff. So we get the worst of both worlds. 😛

Originally posted by §P0oONY
In the UK pot is mostly smoked with tobacco in a spliff. So we get the worst of both worlds. 😛

ya, that is some bizzare european thing... I've also seen people pack poppers in a bong with some tobacco in the bottom...

closest anything around here gets to that is doing hash BTs off a cig...

Originally posted by §P0oONY
So you agree that weed can be used to ruin your life then?

Look, I'm not going to change my mind on this so lets end it. It is illegal and it's certainly not going to be legalised in the near future so currently it's not me that should be moaning.

Fine, don't change your mind, but don't assume this means you still have a credible take on the debate.

Your basis for it being addictive is: "Go to Amsterdam, look around.". My basis is science. Yours doesn't win, I'm sorry.

Your issue is with people abusing a substance, not the substance. People abuse anything, it's a people problem, not a drug problem.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, as inimalist slightly hinted at, you can become addicted to the idea/reward of the high, similar to being addicted to being in love. It's a neurochemical addiction, related to dopamine.

In fact, we can, scientifically, say that some people are addicated to marajuana.

But, I think that some people are psychologically addicted to it, and not physically. Some people do report withdrawals that are everybit physical.

We, can, however, say that it is far less addicting than Alcohol, Cocaine, etc.

On that note, people are addicted to working out. Again, goes back to the reward.

Edit - I took AC off of ignore. Summer is coming and I'm going to need as much AC as possible, if I'm going to stay cool.

Why do you have to announce taking me off ignore? Nobody cares, dude.

There is no factual, scientific link that proves marijuana is a chemically addictive substance. There simply isn't.

All you have is mental addiction. You can have a mental addiction to anything. You consciously, and of your own free will, desiring weed does not mean that the pot has made you an addict. That has nothing to do with pot.

Pot does not give chemical withdrawals, that's a fact. People may suffer psychological effects of not having any weed because THEY want it, but that is not the same as the body reacting to not having any heroin after having it previously.

You didn't say anything that I hadn't said prior. Mental addiction comes from the person, not the drug.

-AC

however, you must remember, everything that is psychological is also chemical.

the chemicals in pot don't produce chemical addiction, but psychological addiction is a chemical process which the chemicals in pot produce

I give you life.

Originally posted by inimalist
chemicals in pot don't produce chemical addiction

End of story as to whether or not it's an addictive drug then.

Pot does not create a chemical addiction. There's no need for any additional, tacked-on comments.

The argument is if it is addictive. No, it is not. Not physically, chemically etc.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Fine, don't change your mind, but don't assume this means you still have a credible take on the debate.

Your basis for it being addictive is: "Go to Amsterdam, look around.". My basis is science. Yours doesn't win, I'm sorry.

Your issue is with people abusing a substance, not the substance. People abuse anything, it's a people problem, not a drug problem.

Why do you have to announce taking me off ignore? Nobody cares, dude.

There is no factual, scientific link that proves marijuana is a chemically addictive substance. There simply isn't.

All you have is mental addiction. You can have a mental addiction to anything. You consciously, and of your own free will, desiring weed does not mean that the pot has made you an addict. That has nothing to do with pot.

Pot does not give chemical withdrawals, that's a fact. People may suffer psychological effects of not having any weed because THEY want it, but that is not the same as the body reacting to not having any heroin after having it previously.

You didn't say anything that I hadn't said prior. Mental addiction comes from the person, not the drug.

-AC

Booya... 😛
(don't care about winning or the debate, I'm just having fun)

Touche, salesman.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why do you have to announce taking me off ignore? Nobody cares, dude.

Because I find it stupid when someone quotes and responds to someone they are supposed to have on ignore. Just throwing it out there so people are aware. And, yes, people do care, but not as much as you think I thought people cared, obviously.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There is no factual, scientific link that proves marijuana is a chemically addictive substance. There simply isn't.

Prove it? 🙂

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
All you have is mental addiction. You can have a mental addiction to anything. You consciously, and of your own free will, desiring weed does not mean that the pot has made you an addict. That has nothing to do with pot.

Pot does not give chemical withdrawals, that's a fact. People may suffer psychological effects of not having any weed because THEY want it, but that is not the same as the body reacting to not having any heroin after having it previously.

You didn't say anything that I hadn't said prior. Mental addiction comes from the person, not the drug.

-AC

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

I think we should agree that it should be legal, and leave it at that. But, you should really stop saying silly things like, "As fact/scientifically, MJ is not addictive." It is. Millions are addicted to it. They have treatments centers to help people get over their addiction because it can be serious. It's chemical, physiological, and psychological.

Edit - Also, do you have to be that disrespectful to inimalist? You do know that he's pretty much the authority here because he studies the mind for a living. When inimalist talks about things of the mind, almost everyone would do well to just STFU, listen, and learn.

Inimalist wasn't being disrespected, so you'd do well not to start a baiting and trolling war just as soon as you've taken me off ignore.

I simply highlighted a portion of his post that ended the discussion. More on that next.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove it? 🙂

That it isn't chemically addictive? Chemical addiction is factual, it happens regardless of who is using the substance. If I use heroin, and quit, I will get withdrawals. That's a fact. I will get an involuntary desire to use more heroin. My body will be sending signals that desire more heroin.

Pot doesn't do that. You know it, I know it, people in this thread know it. If you could have countered me by now, you'd have done so.

You know that pot is not chemically addictive. That it does not create a desire, involuntary, to seek out more pot.

Of course, if you need more proof, we can go to your "authority" who everyone should "S.T.F.U." and listen to.

My argument: Pot is not chemically addictive.

Yours: It is, and I know nothing.

The man you call an AUTHORITY who needs to be listened to:

Originally posted by inimalist
The chemicals in pot don't produce chemical addiction.

There's always that. There's always listening to the guy you just called an authority, when he agrees with me.

Let's review:

Originally posted by dadudemon
You do know that he's pretty much the authority here because he studies the mind for a living. When inimalist talks about things of the mind, almost everyone would do well to just STFU, listen, and learn.

Originally posted by dadudemon
They have treatments centers to help people get over their addiction because it can be serious. It's chemical, physiological, and psychological.

Originally posted by inimalist
The chemicals in pot don't produce chemical addiction.

Originally posted by dadudemon
STFU, listen, and learn.

-AC

If anyone is "addicted" to marijuana, it's simply a mental addiction. Sort of a placebo effect.