Magneto vs Superman

first of all the magneto useing kick guy was not magneto he was an imposter. Second I don't think he's ever reversed the poles he's only threatened to and he did that twice. You might have a point about the speed blitzing and endurance thing but current mages is much more powerfull then this old school one, I say that because the old school one would get his but kicked by all kinds of lesser foes like the x-men, and it wasn't too hard either. Yes he did have some PIS moments on his favor but that is all.

Originally posted by demigawd
He simply needs to put up his forcefield, which was powerful enough to hold back GALACTUS and PHOENIX and has never been broken, and drain away Superman's solar energy. When Superman is weak and vulnerable enough, like he was against an insane Dr. Polaris, THEN Magneto can KO Superman.

The only way Mags wins is if Superman stands there and does not fight back. Mags is not draining anything from Superman. He can absorb his energy back as fast as it's being take out as has been recently proven in the latest AOS issue.

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Originally posted by Demas
I think a lot of people are forgetting that we're using CURRENT Magneto. Old school Magneto has SMvsFL showings on par with Pre-Crisis sillyness (part of the problem of the Marvel Universe not having a "crisis"-type event to delinniate the difference between new and old tales is a lot of old and incredibly cheesy feats get thrown in for good measure) there is no modern writer who would put Magneto in the same class as Galactus on any scale (unless Galactus is jobbing).

Modern and CURRENT Magneto is completely incapable of flipping the magnetic poles without help from Kick, Cortez, or some similar power boost. Note that MOST of Magneto's recent power-feats have been executed under the influence of a power booster.

CURRENT Magneto is much weaker than his old-school demigod- pure-blooded evil-doer version... modern day Magneto has been depowered to be sympathetic sometimes/almost hero; much like Juggernaut.

Regardless, if we're talking about an all out bloodlusted battle, it's a simple Speed Blitz. If, for whatever reason, Magneto has his shield up, then it's a question of scope and endurance. Magneto's abilities, unenhanced, have a limited range much shorter than Superman's, leaving him to harass Magneto until he succumbs.

Uh...Magneto is MORE powerful than he was in the Silver Age. A LOT more powerful. Current Magneto opened up a wormhole in his last appearance and showed powerful telepathic abilities.

Classic Magneto couldn't fly.

so, who wins demi? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Umm Superman was not fighting Ploaris when he did that. His power was slowly fading. If he was actually fighting he would have killed Dr. Polaris. The very next page Supes was using his heat vision to blast object Polaris was tossin at him. He was even close to being drained.

The only way Mags wins is if Superman stands there and does not fight back. Mags is not draining anything from Superman. He can absorb his energy back as fast as it's being take out as has been recently proven in the latest AOS issue.

Superman was certainly fighting back - it was actually Polaris who didn't want to fight, and that was just Polaris' subconscious fighting Superman - Polaris was doing just as much to beat himself up because of his multiple personality disorder. Had he kept up the pressure, it would have been even worse. He drained Superman enough QUICKLY where Superman had trouble stopping a truck flying. Imagine Magneto, more powerful and stable than Polaris, doing the same drain on Superman but faster, combining it with simultaneously pumping up with red sun radiation, and then instead of just a truck, he uses the nearest skyscraper....

That's right. Dead Superman.

Speed blitz does nothing when you're running into a shield that drains your energy on contact.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, who wins demi? 😖hifty:

Superman, of course!

hahahahaha

🤘

Originally posted by demigawd
Superman was certainly fighting back - it was actually Polaris who didn't want to fight, and that was just Polaris' subconscious fighting Superman - Polaris was doing just as much to beat himself up because of his multiple personality disorder. Had he kept up the pressure, it would have been even worse. He drained Superman enough QUICKLY where Superman had trouble stopping a truck flying. Imagine Magneto, more powerful and stable than Polaris, doing the same drain on Superman but faster, combining it with simultaneously pumping up with red sun radiation, and then instead of just a truck, he uses the nearest skyscraper....

That's right. Dead Superman.

Speed blitz does nothing when you're running into a shield that drains your energy on contact.

When Supes was fighting Polaris he was not fighitng back when he blocked his energy. He was talking too him. That's not fighing. In order to drain Supes Mags has to tough him and you know it. I really don't think Mags wants to get that close to him.

Like I said earlier when Mags is in his "auto" shield Supes just vortexes suckin the air out of his shield killin the fool.

Or freezes his shield solid.

Does anyone have any proof that Magneto can drain away Superman energy??? Now I might buy a cosmic character like Silver Surfer doing someing like that, but I don't think Magneto has demonstrated that level of energy manipulation.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Does anyone have any proof that Magneto can drain away Superman energy??? Now I might buy a cosmic character like Silver Surfer doing someing like that, but I don't think Magneto has demonstrated that level of energy manipulation.

He can get his power back almost instantly from the Sun or Stars.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupesAOS647.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Magneto is not draing nothing from Superman. Red sunlight, energy drainage, etc. are just myths on defeating Supes.

He can get his power back almost instantly from the Sun or Stars.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupesAOS647.jpg

Thank you! Finally a voice of reason.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did you read AOS #647? Ruin tried pumpin Supes with red solar radiation and didn't fail too well.
He recharged instantly.

When Supes was fighting Polaris he was not fighitng back when he blocked his energy. He was talking too him. That's not fighing. In order to drain Supes Mags has to tough him and you know it. I really don't think Mags wants to get that close to him.

Like I said earlier when Mags is in his "auto" shield Supes just vortexes suckin the air out of his shield killin the fool.

Or freezes his shield solid.

He didn't recharge instantly....Ruin (an old man with a gun) drained him enough that Superman wasn't even fast enough to get to another part of the city in time to save his best friend from a gun shot (luckily the shooter knew what was going on anyway). So Superman was clearly weakened, despite what he said. Additionally, it ties in to Superman's dynamic strength. His cells absorb more solar radiation as his stress levels increase. The fear of losing his best friend caused him to absorb more solar radiation at a rate ALMOST fast enough to counteract its effects. But he still needed to absorb solar radiation to counteract it.

Magneto is NOT Ruin. Magneto can do three things at once to mess up Superman:

1)Prevent Superman from absorbing ANY solar radiation, as Magneto controls sunlight (as he showed by redirecting Dazzler's solar attack in Eve of Destruction and when he created a hologram of himself)

2)Absorb the solar radiation that Superman already has in his cells, as he did the gamma radiation from Hulk and the ionic radiation from Wonderman.

3)Load Superman up with red solar radiation to weaken him further

Those are three major points of vulnerability at the same time. Superman could resist one, maybe two long enough to fight back against opponents like Ruin, or a schitzo Polaris, but not all three, and not against someone on the level of Magneto.

Magneto's forcefield is airtight - it makes him spaceworthy. What's a vortex going to do against someone who can exist in the vacuum of space? Storm caught Magneto by surprise, so his shield was down (plot device). That doesn't apply here. By the time Magneto runs out of air, Superman would be long dead.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Does anyone have any proof that Magneto can drain away Superman energy??? Now I might buy a cosmic character like Silver Surfer doing someing like that, but I don't think Magneto has demonstrated that level of energy manipulation.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Magneto is not draing nothing from Superman. Red sunlight, energy drainage, etc. are just myths on defeating Supes.

He can get his power back almost instantly from the Sun or Stars.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupesAOS647.jpg

Note in that scan that Superman needed to go OUTSIDE to get his power back. Note also Magneto attack #1 - prevent the sunlight from reaching Superman's cells.

Originally posted by demigawd
Note in that scan that Superman needed to go OUTSIDE to get his power back. Note also Magneto attack #1 - prevent the sunlight from reaching Superman's cells.

Are you aware that Supes has reserves?

Originally posted by demigawd

Magneto's forcefield is airtight - it makes him spaceworthy. What's a vortex going to do against someone who can exist in the vacuum of space? Storm caught Magneto by surprise, so his shield was down (plot device). That doesn't apply here. By the time Magneto runs out of air, Superman would be long dead.

I referenced the actual examples above.

Mags runs out of air and dies.

Originally posted by demigawd
Note in that scan that Superman needed to go OUTSIDE to get his power back. Note also Magneto attack #1 - prevent the sunlight from reaching Superman's cells.

How will he have time to do any of this since Superman can move at lightspeed. He can easily kill Magneto before Magneto knows he is there.

1) How will Magneto block sunlight from hitting superman when he can't see him?

2)I believe (not 100% sure) that Superman doesn't store sunlight as "energy" in his cells but in a Meta-ATP molecules, like what a normal human does. So there is no "energy" for Magneto to drain
http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/superman/superman.html
(see sources of power)

3)Can Magneto physically produce radiation? I always thought he could manipulate certain energy (like the earth's magnetic field) but has marvel shown that he can physically produce them?

Also Ruin was Professor Emil Hamilton, a close friend of Superman who know exactly how his powers worked.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What about starlight? Does Mags control that too?

Yes, actually. Light is light...it's all EM-based.

Are you aware that Supes has reserves?

See Magneto strategy #2.

Oh and by the way Mags shield was up so she didn't catch him by surprize

Mag's shield was NOT up. Like I said, when it's up, Magneto is space worthy. It's a self-contained environment. What happens outside of it doesn't matter when it's a self-contained environment.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Do you mean to say that Mags can stop all sunlight from reaching the Earth? Cause Supes can move pretty damm fast you know.

Magneto operates on a planetary level....he blacked out the entire planet. If he wanted to block out the sunlight, he sure could. But he wouldn't need to...Superman has to come to him at some point. He could just prevent light from entering the battlefield.