Originally posted by demigawdDude I just read the issue. Did you read it?Mag's shield was NOT up. Like I said, when it's up, Magneto is space worthy. It's a self-contained environment. What happens outside of it doesn't matter when it's a self-contained environment.
He absorbed her lighting bolds with his shield then she started the cyclone and he was f*cked.
Originally posted by demigawdMags won't even be able to see Supes if we play by these rules.
Magneto operates on a planetary level....he blacked out the entire planet. If he wanted to block out the sunlight, he sure could. But he wouldn't need to...Superman has to come to him at some point. He could just prevent light from entering the battlefield.
Originally posted by TheKahn
How will he have time to do any of this since Superman can move at lightspeed. He can easily kill Magneto before Magneto knows he is there.
No he won't. Auto-sheld - blocks attacks from Galactus, Phoenix, Thor, etc.
1) How will Magneto block sunlight from hitting superman when he can't see him?
Why wouldn't he see him? Magneto reads energy signatures. The vibration trick means nothing.
2)I believe (not 100% sure) that Superman doesn't store sunlight as "energy" in his cells but in a Meta-ATP molecules, like what a normal human does. So there is no "energy" for Magneto to drain
http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/superman/superman.html
(see sources of power)
Polaris did it. And it weakened Superman considerably.
3)Can Magneto physically produce radiation? I always thought he could manipulate certain energy (like the earth's magnetic field) but has marvel shown that he can physically produce them?
Marvel said it's "unclear", which leaves it up to the writers, and the writers have said that Magneto can do it. He burned away a plastic bubble using microwaves.
Also Ruin was Professor Emil Hamilton, a close friend of Superman who know exactly how his powers worked.
Knowing how his powers work and having the technology and capability to appropriately deal with it are two very different things. Magneto can drain, weaken and prevent replenishment at the same time. Ruin only had the ability to weaken.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Dude I just read the issue. Did you read it?He absorbed her lighting bolds with his shield then she started the cyclone and he was f*cked.
He didn't absorb it with his shield. He absorbed it into himself and explained that it makes him more powerful. He didn't use his shield.
Mags won't even be able to see Supes if we play by these rules.
Considering that Magneto caused a volcanic eruption from the other side of the planet, you do NOT want to play the peek-a-boo game.
Overall this isn't a difficult fight for Magneto. Magneto would have trouble against someone like Thor, because aside from Mjolnir, Thor doesn't have any readily exploitable weaknesses for Magneto. Superman is pretty much tailor made to get his ass kicked by Mags. Maybe if he weren't so solar-dependent it would be a different story. But he is, and that's why he loses.
So let me get this right: Magneto will
*Block all sunlight from reaching earth
*Erect and maintain a shield strong enough to block all of Superman's attacks
*Read Superman's energy signiture and pinpoint his location while he is moving at light speed
*Produce red solar radiation to weaken him
All at the exact same time....
Originally posted by demigawdEither way his shield was up and Supes can defeat him this way. No air=no life.
He didn't absorb it with his shield. He absorbed it into himself and explained that it makes him more powerful. He didn't use his shield.
Originally posted by demigawdConsidering Supes can circle the earth before Mags blinks I think peek-a-boo would work nicely.Considering that Magneto caused a volcanic eruption from the other side of the planet, you do NOT want to play the peek-a-boo game.
Originally posted by TheKahnI was just gonna say that.
So let me get this right: Magneto will
*Block all sunlight from reaching earth
*Erect and maintain a shield strong enough to block all of Superman's attacks
*Read Superman's energy signiture and pinpoint his location while he is moving at light speed
*Produce red solar radiation to weaken himAll at the exact same time....
Originally posted by TheKahn
So let me get this right: Magneto will
*Block all sunlight from reaching earth
*Erect and maintain a shield strong enough to block all of Superman's attacks
*Read Superman's energy signiture and pinpoint his location while he is moving at light speed
*Produce red solar radiation to weaken himAll at the exact same time....
Or he could sit at home and do it while washing his helmet. Magneto was able to pinpoint Xavier's location and KO him from miles away while Xavier was trying to mentally put down Magneto.
Magneto's shield was strong enough to block an instant attack by Galactus that nobody saw coming. So Magneto doesn't have to put any effort into putting up a shield...he just does it and keeps it there. And producing the red radiation he can do at any time. You make it sound like it's some big effort for him. It's not...Magneto is just that good.
Either way his shield was up and Supes can defeat him this way. No air=no life.
No, his shield wasn't up. He absorbed lightning because lightning IS EM energy...it had noting to do with his shield. There was no graphic showing his shield (which is represented by a big circle), no statement by him saying he was using his shield, nothing.
And like I said, when his shield IS up, he flies in space where there is....SURPRISE....no air!
Magneto has a lot more distance attacks. He can attack Superman from miles away while Superman is busy just trying to figure out where Magneto is.
Now keep in mind that Magneto will have to stop all of these attacks from Superman (who is moving at near light speed) with his sheild:
Superman's heat vision is so hot that it cannot be scientifically measured, they can measure the heat of stars but not his full heat vision:http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/863/supermansheatvision30nk.jpg
Strong enough to HOLD a black hold in his hand:
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg
Easily throwing a ship the size of a small moon:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/moonmover.jpg
and my personal favorite:http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7923/supermansheatvison2np.jpg
Magneto is toast.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Now keep in mind that Magneto will have to stop all of these attacks from Superman (who is moving at near light speed) with his sheild:Superman's heat vision is so hot that it cannot be scientifically measured, they can measure the heat of stars but not his full heat vision:http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/863/supermansheatvision30nk.jpg
Strong enough to HOLD a black hold in his hand:
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpgEasily throwing a ship the size of a small moon:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/moonmover.jpgand my personal favorite:http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7923/supermansheatvison2np.jpg
Magneto is toast.
All of which requires Superman to have varying levels of solar power. Which he won't have against someone who controls the very source of that power.
Magneto knocks a powerless Superman into the center of the Earth.
Originally posted by TheKahn
And by the way ANYONE who doesn't think that magneto stoping a blast from GALACTUS is a seriouse case of PIS is a fanboy that is beyond saving. Just like Spiderman beating Firelord, it doesn't convience anyone who knows anythink about either character
Something is only PIS if it exceeds a KNOWN limit. So it would be PIS if Cyclops broke through Magneto's forcefield and then Galactus failed to do it because we know that Magneto's forcefield buckles under much less power. But when you consider that Modern Magneto's forcefields have NEVER been broken, and also took an attack from the Phoenix, then nobody is in a position to speculate how much force it can take. Remember, however, that it works but removing or adding an electron and creating a like charge, causing the object to repel itself. It's more about finesse than power, so it really should be able to repel ANYTHING thrown at it.
So I'm afraid it's not PIS.
Its PIS when it is crappy writing. What "known" limit did Spiderman break when he beat Firelord? It was just bad writing, thats all. You had one character doing something that sould not be possible for them to do. Galactus has the Power Cosmic, which includes magnatism the EM spectrum and just about everythinig else. Anything Magneto can do, he could do a million times better and stronger. Or he could have just transmuted Magneto into peice of rock (hell so could Silver Surfer). Its just bad writing that took place a long time ago. Look, if you want to think that Magneto is some unstoppable god that Superman can't even touch, I'm not going to stand in your way.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Its PIS when it is crappy writing. What "known" limit did Spiderman break when he beat Firelord? It was just bad writing, thats all. You had one character doing something that sould not be possible for them to do. Galactus has the Power Cosmic, which includes magnatism the EM spectrum and just about everythinig else. Anything Magneto can do, he could do a million times better and stronger. Or he could have just transmuted Magneto into peice of rock (hell so could Silver Surfer). Its just bad writing that took place a long time ago. Look, if you want to think that Magneto is some unstoppable god that Superman can't even touch, I'm not going to stand in your way.
Oh, so now Secret Wars is crappy writing? Why? Because YOU say so? No, I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. PIS should ONLY be used when a feat clearly exceeds a character's capabilities, and the ONLY way you can know a character's capabilities are when they've been exceeded.
So going to your Spider-Man/Firelord example - Firelord has beaten people far more powerful than Spider-Man and Spider-Man has lost to people far less powerful than Firelord. So we know the limits of both, and Spider-Man beating him can therefore be determined to be PIS. Why? Because it breaks PRECEDENT, established and shown limits to a character's capabilities. The upper limit has been shown for many character forcefields - Unus, Invisible Woman, Green Lantern, even Doom. It hasn't for Magneto.
You can't just guess at how powerful Magneto's shields are or how much damage it can take and figure if it exceeds what you WANT it to be then it's PIS. If people do that, then PIS becomes 100% biased and subjective. You compare the times it WAS broken to the amount of damage that it's currently taking. If it hasn't been broken, then you are in absolutely no position to say that Magneto taking a shot from Galactus is PIS. It's no more valid a statement than me saying that Superman holding a black hole is PIS because he simply shouldn't be able to do that. There, I can do it too, see?
Originally posted by jasofisc
demi do you have a scan of magneto takeing the hit from galactus. By the way it's not like your saying mages can take galactus it's just that mags can take a lot of punishment to his sheild right. It's also good to see another person who thinks mags can take supes.
It happened in Secret Wars I. Of course I'm not saying Magneto can beat Galactus. Galactus wasn't trying to kill Magneto - he sent an energy attack to the source of whomever was trying to invade his thoughts - that just so happened to be Magneto and Xavier. Magneto blocked it at the speed of thought, protecting himself, Xavier and the X-men and wasn't even phased or tired by it. Magneto has since become twice as powerful (in Fatal Attractions).
Superman isn't breaking through his shields.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
1 energy Galactus blast is a good feat for Mags. While personally I find it to be PIS when Galactus while weak broke through a Thanos shield, there is no way he's going to take multiple earth shattering punches from Superman, or being frozen for miles and being tossed into the sun.
None of which will happen because by the time Superman even comes close to breaking through, he'll have lost all his power and deposited in the nearest red sun via wormhole.
Originally posted by demigawd
None of which will happen because by the time Superman even comes close to breaking through, he'll have lost all his power and deposited in the nearest red sun via wormhole.
Wrong. Mags will be a statue while all this is happening.
You do know that Superman is more than fast enough to go to his fortress and toss Eric in the phantom zone before he blinks right?
If you are going to use the very best mags, I'm going to use the very best Supes... and nobody with human speed is going to do anything in a realistic battle.
Time is simply not Magnetos friend here. Magnetism has a lot to do with positioning as well. Doesn't fare well for our dear mutant.
Oh, and the point about Magneto having Pinpoint accuracy? Superman has it as well. From space to miles under the earths crust.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Wrong. Mags will be a statue while all this is happening.
You do know that Superman is more than fast enough to go to his fortress and toss Eric in the phantom zone before he blinks right?If you are going to use the very best mags, I'm going to use the very best Supes... and nobody with human speed is going to do anything in a realistic battle.
Time is simply not Magnetos friend here. Magnetism has a lot to do with positioning as well. Doesn't fare well for our dear mutant.
Oh, and the point about Magneto having Pinpoint accuracy? Superman has it as well. From space to miles under the earths crust.
He won't be able to throw Magneto anywhere thanks to the auto-shield, which Superman will be unable to penetrate. So that throws out your whole strategy. Magneto has all the time in the world to do whatever he wants to do because Superman won't be getting through.
