Originally posted by demigawd
??? What is that supposed to mean?Because it applies AND because it counters all of the stength/speed feats. If people are going to sit there and tell me crap about how Superman has planet-destroying power and can hit with planet destroying power a million times a picosecond, you're damn right I'm going to harp on Magneto's forcefield....who wouldn't?
Torqusm Vo is useless against Magneto, who has one of the most powerful wills in the Marvel Universe. Xavier is the premier telepath of the Marvel Universe - he couldn't put down Magneto mentally without having a whole team to help him. Read my scans. Superman doesn't even begin to have the mental feats to even make that a remotely viable option.
So that goes out the window.
Thunderclap. I think I posted a scan of Magneto warping sound and countering Banshee, whose very power is to create soundwaves. That's out too.
I refer again to the thread starter:
So Superman is going to LEAVE the city (BFR disqualification), go to the moon and start shooting Magneto with heat vision?
See, that's the difference between me and them. THEY complain about ME because I talk about the strength of his forcefield. Meanwhile THEY come up with tactics like you and Whirly and Avalon. Throwing people into the sun? Throwing asteroids to earth? SUPERMAN?
Why resort to just juvenile techniques? Whirly and the Supes fanboys I understand, but YOU Leonidas? I expect better.
It wouldn't work anyway, because I can play that game too and just say that Magneto opens a wormhole to another dimension to escape and re-pen it on the moon and proceed to drain - or to be even more efficient and destroy Superman's nervous system. But do you REALLY need to pull out the desperation tactics and threaten to destroy the entire planet Superman is trying to protect just to beat me? Seriously?
Not at all....I countered them both right here. Supeman fanboys (and speedster fanboys in particular) harp on the very cheesy and annoying technique of "____ destroys the opponent before he forms a thought", thus disallowing a real and intelligent discussion of powers, battle scenarios and strategies. And it's not just this thread- it's an abused tactic on TONS of threads involving people like Superman, Flash, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, even Wonder Woman, on TONS of boards and it ruins the fun of coming to a battle board in the first place. I'm personally fed up with it and I'll be damned if, on top of all of that, the Superman supporters have to stack the deck further by saying that Magneto can't even use his forcefield.
No, not gonna happen. Not on my watch.
if he reopened a wormhole on the moon and stepped out of it, he would die miserably. human physiology and the vacuum of space don't mix well . . . 🙁
one thing we WILL agree on -- speedblitzes suck arse. i TRY to avoid using them whenever possible. i don't believe i've raised the issue of speedblitz here . . .
torquasm vo MAY still work though. supes' will is certainly second to none and he's pulled in some pretty high calibre folk. it IS still a bit of an unknown though, so i'll leave it at it may or may not work.
moving out of mags range, using microscopic vision followed by heat vision to bake mags into unconsciousness isn't THAT big a stretch however -- especially when supes realizes that it MAY be possible for mags to make supes give him a lap dance!
forgetting the ftl, has shadowcat been able to penetrate mags' field? supes also has the ability to vibrate through solid objects -- i wonder if he could vibrate through the shield? i'm also still dubious as regards his shields's efficacy against a thunderclap. if it wasn't expected it could very well stun mags and cause his shield to falter, if only even for a moment. someone earlier mentioned his ability to spin around mags in a vortex. this could also conceiveably draw air from his shield and suffocate him into unconsciousness. clearly the shield lets in air -- why couldn't supes simply remove that air? mags may have a few seconds to work his draining, but then it would come down to whether he could drain supes faster than supes could take out the air and make him pass out. it's already been shown that supes can operate for a while in both red sunlight and while being drained. his powers don't fade instantly.
and i already said that whirly's idea was far-fetched . . .
mags is a team beater, so yes he is powerful and yes it would be very tough for superman to win. all i've said all along is that using his powers to their fullest he has a chance. unlike ss, mags can't create k-nite, or affect supes at a molecular level.
and demi, i still luv ya! 😄
Originally posted by leonidas
if he reopened a wormhole on the moon and stepped out of it, he would die miserably. human physiology and the vacuum of space don't mix well . . . 🙁
My scan says otherwise.
torquasm vo MAY still work though. supes' will is certainly second to none and he's pulled in some pretty high calibre folk. it IS still a bit of an unknown though, so i'll leave it at it may or may not work.
But between Magneto's will, his EM field (see Fatal Attractions), and his helmet....those are pretty stacked odds against a mental attack by Superman.
moving out of mags range, using microscopic vision followed by heat vision to bake mags into unconsciousness isn't THAT big a stretch however -- especially when supes realizes that it MAY be possible for mags to make supes give him a lap dance!
The forcefield still blocks out heat. Magneto was fine setting off a nuke right when he was in the middle of it. The man built a HQ INSIDE AN ACTIVE VOLCANO that he maintains with his forcefield. I don't think heat is a problem for him.
forgetting the ftl, has shadowcat been able to penetrate mags' field?
supes also has the ability to vibrate through solid objects -- i wonder if he could vibrate through the shield? i'm also still dubious as regards his shields's efficacy against a thunderclap. if it wasn't expected it could very well stun mags and cause his shield to falter, if only even for a moment. someone earlier mentioned his ability to spin around mags in a vortex. this could also conceiveably draw air from his shield and suffocate him into unconsciousness. clearly the shield lets in air -- why couldn't supes simply remove that air? mags may have a few seconds to work his draining, but then it would come down to whether he could drain supes faster than supes could take out the air and make him pass out. it's already been shown that supes can operate for a while in both red sunlight and while being drained. his powers don't fade instantly.
Someone already brought most of this up, and I addressed the point. Magneto can exist in a vacuum...see my scan. Could Superman vibrate through the forcefield? When Superman vibrates, his molecular structure is still intact, and given the science of the forcefield and the fact that Magneto's powers still worked on a phased Shadowcat, odds are...no.
The sound again was warped by Magneto. It would just be a form of vibrational energy. If Magneto were affected by sound, the sonic boom he'd go through to reach escape velocity when he flies into space would harm him. It doesn't.
Additionally...the draining technique is just one option. Magneto could just shut down Superman's nervous system, and Superman is quite vulnerable to that. Coldcast, Wasp and Manchester Black were all able to affect Superman's psysiology.
and i already said that whirly's idea was far-fetched . . .mags is a team beater, so yes he is powerful and yes it would be very tough for superman to win. all i've said all along is that using his powers to their fullest he has a chance. unlike ss, mags can't create k-nite, or affect supes at a molecular level.
No, but he can affect Supes at a psysiological level, which is just as effective! Besides, Supes fanboys will say that Supes is resistant to K-nite now anyway. 🙄
and demi, i still luv ya! 😄
**** you!
Just kidding. 😉
Originally posted by leonidasIf this is true which it looks like it is from the scan. Supes could grap the shield with Mags in it and take him to the Sun like he did to Wonderwomen, Darkseid, etc.
hmm, one more crack at this . . . immoveable shield . . .in this scan, herc didn't seem to have much trouble 'moving' it . . .
and please note the, er, bubble shape that indicates the shield is up.
How Long can Mags survive near the Sun?
And would Mags powers work in space outside of the atmosphere?
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, one more crack at this . . . immoveable shield . . .in this scan, herc didn't seem to have much trouble 'moving' it . . .
and please note the, er, bubble shape that indicates the shield is up.
Thats a good dam scan leo. If Herc can hit Mags with the shield up and actually move the shieold, then i have no doubts that Supes would do much worse to him.