dude just quit whining and admit magneto loses. It's superhero's, so stop bringing science into it because there obviously is no science that si true. Do you think the writers of these books had Phd's in all kinds of sciences? NO! Do you think they had an imagination and a place for everyone in the cycle of powers? YES! And amgneto just isn't as good as superman. No writer in their right mind would make an autimatic, INSTANt repeller pf.. remember now ! EVEERYTHINGG!! MWAHAHAHA
Thank you for bringing this point up, although I'm not throwing my opinion on the victor in here, I will say this because it annoys me.
Originally posted by superman420sexyYou are right, the writers for the comics AREN'T mathematicians, they AREN'T scientists, and they AREN'T doctors... they are writers, they are there to entertain.
dude just quit whining and admit magneto loses. It's superhero's, so stop bringing science into it because there obviously is no science that si true. Do you think the writers of these books had Phd's in all kinds of sciences? NO! Do you think they had an imagination and a place for everyone in the cycle of powers? YES! And amgneto just isn't as good as superman. No writer in their right mind would make an autimatic, INSTANt repeller pf.. remember now ! EVEERYTHINGG!! MWAHAHAHA
Unfortunately for you, where your argument crumbles is the sheer solid fact, that THIS IS A FORUM. Thats why there are things such as PIS and CIS, because writers don't use logic always, because it doesn't always make the most money. (wolverine vs lobo), etc.
And comics are based closely on the real world, thats why they are so entertaining.
Why debate without logic? Its not possible.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
It may repel heat vision but how long can he take the heat?
Long enough for Magneto to drain Superman and toss him away like a rag doll.
Leo: regarding your scans - that wasn't Magneto's forcefield. That was his power eminating from him and holding everybody in place. Magneto's forcefield looks like the one in the graphic I posted of him repelling Thor and She-Hulk.
Secondly, even if I were to humor you and say that his forcefields were up - it was scrambled by Magneto's own power channeled by Bishop. I'm more than ok with that.
Thirdly - Magneto DOES have increased durability for two reasons. The first is that he fills his cells automatically with EM energy, which creates a natural field that degrades electronics around him unless he maintains it (see Excalibur for a further explanation), and the second is his armor. He took a shot directly to the face by Colossus without his forcefield and was actually fine. They marveled at how his head wasn't taken off. In X-men (2nd series) #2 or #3 he specifically said, "I thought my armor proof against any attack" - but it can be cut by adamantium, if nothing else.
Actually, in none of the scans is he using his forcefield. The energy is clearly touching his body...not the forcefield. Look at the scans I've posted - you SEE the forcefield, and it's generally in the form of a bubble.
Why isn't he using his forcefield? For the same reason Superman doesn't speedblitz every single one of his enemies in the first two panels. It's a moot point.
So a good try, but easily explained.
Funny how I never see these questions applied by anybody here to Superman. Is Magneto's forcefield always shown as up? No. That's PIS. And yet everybody jumps on it. And yet, it's perfectly acceptable that Superman speedblitzes Magneto before Magneto processes a thought, wraps him up in an iceberg and tosses him into the sun? And nobody finds anything wrong with that?
Bullshit.
Bishop doesn't rechannel the same type of energy he absorbs. He absorbs energy and releases it as a concussive force
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=74
And I think the others have shown that Magneto in his forcefield can be moved.
Originally posted by superman420sexy
So you claim a being to have ftl speeds illogical, but i's acceptible to have a shield that is an instant automatic repel of *cough* *ahem* remember now kiddies, EVERYTHINGGGGGGGG MWAHAHA!
I'm not saying it's illogical - it was specifically to counter a point someone else made. I already said that I can accept that, and that it makes no difference because Superman can't penetrate the forcefield.
And he still can't.
Basically I see this whole argument going in a cycle that's like this:
Them: Superman speedblitzes Magneto before he can think
Me: God, that tired trick again. Magneto has his forcefield up
Them: Superman can break the forcefield
Me: Magneto took shots from Galactus, Phoenix, and Thor/She-Hulk together. When up, it reflects any attack that comes in contact, regardless of its strength. Superman isn't getting through
Them: Post scan of Superman destroying a planet
Everybody else: Wow, soooo kewl. Superman pwnz
Me: What the hell difference does that make? No upper limit to Magneto's forcefield's strength has been shown
Them: Superman freezes Magneto!
Me: The forcefield, being EM-based, electrolyzes any ice attempting to touch it, harmlessly converting it to oxygen and hydrogen
Them: Posts scan of Superman freezing a planet
Everybody: Ooooh, so kewl. Superman pwnz
Me: I already explained why that wouldn't work! Besides, Magneto can just drain Superman, regardless of where Superman is as I've shown in my scans
Them: *ignore point* Superman speedblitzes Magneto before he can think
Me: God, that tired trick again. Magneto has his forcefield up
Them: Superman can break the forcefield
Me: Magneto took shots from Galactus, Phoenix, and Thor/She-Hulk together. When up, it reflects any attack that comes in contact, regardless of its strength. Superman isn't getting through
Them: Post scan of Superman destroying a planet
Everybody else: Wow, soooo kewl. Superman pwnz
Me: What the hell difference does that make? No upper limit to Magneto's forcefield's strength has been shown.
Them: Superman freezes Magneto!
Me: The forcefield, being EM-based, electrolyzes any ice attempting to touch it, harmlessly converting it to oxygen and hydrogen
Them: Posts scan of Superman freezing a planet
Everybody: Ooooh, so kewl. Superman pwnz
Me: I already explained why that wouldn't work!
There's no point in debating if my points are ignored and people choose instead to just repost Superman's respect thread, regardless of me already debunking the possibility that any of those techniques working.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Bishop doesn't rechannel the same type of energy he absorbs. He absorbs energy and releases it as a concussive force
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=74And I think the others have shown that Magneto in his forcefield can be moved.
From your source:
absorb power from any energy source directed at him, allowing him to rechannel the energies as an amplified release or store it within his personal bio-energy reserves, where the energy acts to fuel his strength, endurance, and recuperative abilities to a degree or can be discharged as concussive force blasts; carries plasma blasters through which he can channel his personal energies
Remember, the release for Bishop was involuntary....it was a discharge because he overload. That means the former applies, not the latter.
And as I proved, Magneto wasn't in his forcefield. His forcefield looks quite different.
So he has his force field up in the beginning of this battle?
I wasn't also aware that Magneto had increased durability besides his shields...I thought he had them in this picture:
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2028/namorfeat1256ol.gif
Originally posted by TheKahn
Dude, people are not ignoring you, they just disagree with you. Alot of your statements about Magneto are not stated fact but your own analysis and conclusions of events. They just disagree.
It IS stated fact that the upper limit of modern Magneto's forcefield has never been shown, even after taking attacks from extremely powerful beings. It's not been refuted, just ignored in favor of scans of Magneto without his forcefield.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So he has his force field up in the beginning of this battle?I wasn't also aware that Magneto had increased durability besides his shields...I thought he had them in this picture:
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2028/namorfeat1256ol.gif
Originally posted by demigawd
Uh...isn't your scan an example of Magneto's increased durability? He took a shot to the face by Namor and was still fine, and not only didn't have his forcefield, but didn't even have his helmet or armor on. It was his X-men uniform.
Yeah, I know. But I wasn't aware of the fact that he is durable without the force fields. I thought that he had the shields on, because that would have been the only explanation. Not I know that he has the durability.
People have shown multiple scans of people getting through the forcefield so the contention that its in inpentrable just convincing. Secondly, Superspeed is a stated superman power. However, it has NEVER been stated by Marvel or in any comic that Magneto's field is inpentrable (as Wolverine has nearly sliced him to death on more than one ocassion and a sentinel managed to wrap his body in non-metallic bindings) or that while he is in his force feild he is immovable.
Originally posted by demigawd
Long enough for Magneto to drain Superman and toss him away like a rag doll.Leo: regarding your scans - that wasn't Magneto's forcefield. That was his power eminating from him and holding everybody in place. Magneto's forcefield looks like the one in the graphic I posted of him repelling Thor and She-Hulk.
Secondly, even if I were to humor you and say that his forcefields were up - it was scrambled by Magneto's own power channeled by Bishop. I'm more than ok with that.
Thirdly - Magneto DOES have increased durability for two reasons. The first is that he fills his cells automatically with EM energy, which creates a natural field that degrades electronics around him unless he maintains it (see Excalibur for a further explanation), and the second is his armor. He took a shot directly to the face by Colossus without his forcefield and was actually fine. They marveled at how his head wasn't taken off. In X-men (2nd series) #2 or #3 he specifically said, "I thought my armor proof against any attack" - but it can be cut by adamantium, if nothing else.
Actually, in none of the scans is he using his forcefield. The energy is clearly touching his body...not the forcefield. Look at the scans I've posted - you SEE the forcefield, and it's generally in the form of a bubble.
Why isn't he using his forcefield? For the same reason Superman doesn't speedblitz every single one of his enemies in the first two panels. It's a moot point.
So a good try, but easily explained.
Funny how I never see these questions applied by anybody here to Superman. Is Magneto's forcefield always shown as up? No. That's PIS. And yet everybody jumps on it. And yet, it's perfectly acceptable that Superman speedblitzes Magneto before Magneto processes a thought, wraps him up in an iceberg and tosses him into the sun? And nobody finds anything wrong with that?
Bullshit.
we'll can the science quiz -- you said you were speculating, which was MY point. you're bit about a logical assumption is nonsense. you can't logically assume anything when we have no clue how it might work out. our physics hence the laws upon which logic are based, break down at certain levels. see early cosmology and quantum mechanics for a perfect example.
anyway . . .
so you say that field around him is NOT his shield in those scans? to use one of your lines from earlier -- because you say so? why exactly? does it SAY his shield is down? 😕 can his shield not take different forms? how 'bout when he's dogpiled? didn't bother to raise it then either? 😑 at the LEAST it shows the shield is NOT auto, as you claim. unless he WANTED the xmen to kill him . . .
and why is it easier to believe that blocking galactus was NOT pis? maybe the HIGH showing was pis?
anyway, allowing for that bit of . . . unbelieveableness, you still haven't said why ambient heat in the neighbourhood of the level of the sun, wouldn't bake him inside his shield almost instantly, or why a shockwave wouldn't kill him. supes could use vision from space easily enough, beyond reach of mags powers to control him -- unless mags can now use his powers over interplanetary distance) or he could reach mags so quickly and shockwave that even if mags CAN shield supes to negate is solar absorption, the shockwave will STILL kill him before mags' attack can affect him and mags can capitalize on it.
heat and sound could affect mags and get supes a win without supes even needing to touch magneto. or what if supes freezes the city block with mags in it? are you saying somewho the whole block will freeze but mags will be left untouched in the middle of it all? his shield will be covered even if it begins melting the ice. then supes takes the fight into space or carries the whole thing to the sun.
i'm getting rather illy with the last, but theoretically, using supes to the max, (ala the way you are defining mags) he should be able to do this.
supes winning is NOT dependent on supes touching mags as you keep seeming to want everyone to believe, or breaking mag's shield. even the torquasm vo should work and that exploits mags' one weakness -- his vulnerability to telepathic power.
<<And as I proved, Magneto wasn't in his forcefield. His forcefield looks quite different.>>
proved? 😑 c'mon demi -- your 'proof' is you think his shield 'looks different'? so he's taking all those attacks from all those xmen on his own?? then why isn't he simply frozen by bobby?? ❌ i know you're a bit outmanned in this debate, but your're really reaching for some of these explanations . . .
for the record -- i DO think mags is capable of beating supes. the way this debate is going is one of the things i HATE about the forum -- everyone uses potential and highest showings in a battle. were this shown in a comic i'd say this could go either way.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<And as I proved, Magneto wasn't in his forcefield. His forcefield looks quite different.>>proved? 😑 c'mon demi -- your 'proof' is you think his shield 'looks different'? so he's taking all those attacks from all those xmen on his own?? then why isn't he simply frozen by bobby?? ❌ i know you're a bit outmanned in this debate, but your're really reaching for some of these explanations . . .
for the record -- i DO think mags is capable of beating supes. the way this debate is going is one of the things i HATE about the forum -- everyone uses potential and highest showings in a battle. were this shown in a comic i'd say this could go either way.
Yea, the problem is what versions of the characters do you use. Each writer changes how chatacters use their powers either by having them ignore someor create new ones. Just about every character loses fights they should win and vise versa. So I can see why most people go with the highest showing just to simplify things somewhat. But dd into the fact that most fights here are Marvel vs DC and there is always a lot of room for debate.
Superman sucks all the air out of the vicinity.
The only air left is the air inside Mag's shield.
Let's see how long he can last on that... 😄
Supes' proceeds to fly about at invisible super-speed so Mag's can't get a lock on him. If you wish to say that Mags can use his powers on him despite not seeing him, please provide several scans. One scan doesn't suffice. 🙂
Superman would win this battle. He is versatile. He wouldn't even need to penetrate Mag's field.
Heck, he makes a super-shovel at super-speed and picks Mag's up, taking him to space with him. How long's he going to last there?
Off-topic:
Originally posted by demigawdIt's not the logical extension. FTL particles have imaginary number value mass and accelerate as they lose energy - at least according to mathematical extrapolation.
At least my example above is a logical extension of what we do know about the nature of c and the requirements of exceeding it.
On-topic:
The shield is not impenetrable and is not automatic.
Hey demi, didn't you say supes , going ftl speeds, would phase through something because he isn't mass anymore and it would take an unlimited amount of energy to keep his mass? Well, if Mags CAn and DOES block out the sun and DOES have an AUTOMATIC REPELLING GODLY ****ING SHIELD OF ALL HOLINESS THAT BLOCKS EVERYTHING , than thank god he blocked the sun. Superman's powers can last days without the sun, so if he didn't have the sun as his unlimited (til it burns out couple billion years down the road) source of enrrgy, then when he went ftl speeds, couldn't he just phase, like you said into no mass into mags (hey, you said it yourself) BUBBLE shaped shield and then stop moving, and then proceed to donkey rape him? Maby make it a little uncomfortably hot in there? I understand we bring up the same arguments as you posted up there, but you trapped yourself with the phasing into no mass at the ftl speeds thing. Anyway, it's rediculous to say he can lock onto superman anywhere and drain his power, and has a forcefield that you are actually trying to say that nothing can get through. Well even if that rediculous statement is true Supes could pahse through it since according to you he has no mass at FTL speeds. But I still say he cock slaps the shield to the next galaxy and then cock slaps magneto.
