Originally posted by Starscream M
logic is not applicable, its not what YOU would logically do given his powers and knowledge...it's what Kal El would do in that situation with those powers. And comic book characters rarely does what logic dictates.and Kal El has not shown a propensity to use speed...esp not against a speedster foe.
That's because comics are fiction and written by someone. Logic does not apply, feats do not apply, only the story applies. This is why Vs. forums are ridiculous.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I didn't mean to dodge. I don't think logic is too useful in debating comic characters. rather, evidence is more useful.I can't say, hey logically Thor would use Mjolnir to its full powers if he doesn't.
logic and sense arent the same thing.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with you as well on this, I think superman would cover the distance pretty fast and I also believe that if magneto doesn't use his speed in a timely fashion, magneto would get blitzed and hit with 4 punches before he had any type of chance to something.But magneto is fast as well, not superman fast but fast enough to put up his shields and land some major attacks.
4? is superman being lazy?
Originally posted by Khmer King
That's because comics are fiction and written by someone. Logic does not apply, feats do not apply, only the story applies. This is why Vs. forums are ridiculous.
if you don't like this forum, you don't have to post in it. our rules are set, though, and they aren't going to change. I'm not going to tolerate trolling.
Originally posted by -Pr-
logic and sense arent the same thing.4? is superman being lazy?
But we go by on panel showings.
Naah, I'm using 4 because that's the most I have seen him punch someone in a fight. I believe he could do more but that's the most on panel have shown me unless I guess some figures.
Originally posted by carver9
But we go by on panel showings.Naah, I'm using 4 because that's the most I have seen him punch someone in a fight. I believe he could do more but that's the most on panel have shown me unless I guess some figures.
except that he's done more than that. on panel. in more than one comic.
Originally posted by Khmer King
That's because comics are fiction and written by someone. Logic does not apply, feats do not apply, only the story applies. This is why Vs. forums are ridiculous.
I disagree with this, the forum is perfect and its a good way to decide battles but on the other hand, we cannot ignore what has happened on panel either. They are 2 of the same family (on panel showings and forum debates).
Originally posted by -Pr-
except that he's done more than that. on panel. in more than one comic.
Omg... when pr, when has he hit someone more than this on panel "in a fight", (I'm about to just give up again)? If I was to say "gladiator will punch thor a million times per second" would I be ok saying that? He has flown 100 times the speed of light and blitzed twice at the speed of light.
If you can say this about superman, I should be able to say these same things about hyperion, gladiator and the list goes on.
Originally posted by carver9
Omg... when pr, when has he hit someone more than this on panel "in a fight", (I'm about to just give up again)? If I was to say "gladiator will punch thor a million times per second" would I be ok saying that? He has flown 100 times the speed of light and blitzed twice at the speed of light.If you can say this about superman, I should be able to say these same things about hyperion, gladiator and the list goes on.
you'd have to show combat speed, or some example of him moving his limbs at those speeds, which superman has done on several occasions. if he has, then there's no reason why you can't say it, but gladiator has nothing to do with superman.
and no, you shouldn't, not without the feats.
Originally posted by -Pr-
you'd have to show combat speed, or some example of him moving his limbs at those speeds, which superman has done on several occasions. if he has, then there's no reason why you can't say it, but gladiator has nothing to do with superman.and no, you shouldn't, not without the feats.
So you do have examples of him punching at someone a 100 times in one second? He has plenty of people that he could do this with. Imperex probe, doomsday, darkseid, bizarro, flash, zod, and the list goes on.
Originally posted by carver9
So you do have examples of him punching at someone a 100 times in one second? He has plenty of people that he could do this with. Imperex probe, doomsday, darkseid, bizarro, flash, zod, and the list goes on.
I have examples of him moving his limbs hundreds of times a second, which qualifies. Before you say it doesn't think of the fact that you'd be asking for me to come up with a fight where Superman punched someone a hundred times a second and they survived (which incidentally, has only happened once).
Directed limb movement qualifies as reflex speed.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm also curious when and where Superman punched that many times in less than seconds.
Lol, he never has, its all speculation at best. The most I have counted from him is 4 and I'm guessing at that but I'm saying four because it showed his arms moving fast but that could have happened in 2 or even 3 seconds.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I have examples of him moving his limbs hundreds of times a second, which qualifies. Before you say it doesn't think of the fact that you'd be asking for me to come up with a fight where Superman punched someone a hundred times a second and they survived (which incidentally, has only happened once).Directed limb movement qualifies as reflex speed.
But its MUCH more difficult to do this during combat... on a moving target, especially a moving target with any type of speed.
And I don't know what instance you are using that shows he can punch a 100 or thousand times per second.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol, he never has, its all speculation at best. The most I have counted from him is 4 and I'm guessing at that but I'm saying four because it showed his arms moving fast but that could have happened in 2 or even 3 seconds.
then you obviously haven't read enough of his comics.
you're seriously making stuff up now. if something is moving fast enough that it's blurring and leaving after-images, it's not happening over the course of a few seconds.
you wouldn't treat gladiator with the same scrutiny.
Originally posted by carver9
But its MUCH more difficult to do this during combat... on a moving target, especially a moving target with any type of speed.And I don't know what instance you are using that shows he can punch a 100 or thousand times per second.
his reflexes are at least close to light speed if not light speed. hundreds of punches a second isn't shit to him.
Originally posted by -Pr-
then you obviously haven't read enough of his comics.you're seriously making stuff up now. if something is moving fast enough that it's blurring and leaving after-images, it's not happening over the course of a few seconds.
you wouldn't treat gladiator with the same scrutiny.
his reflexes are at least close to light speed if not light speed. hundreds of punches a second isn't shit to him.
If you find one post of mine where I stated that glads could fight at the speed of light I will take back everything that I said in this thread. If you find one post where I said that gladiator would punch someone a hundred times in a second then I would take back everything that I said.
I'm not even responding to the second part because its just crazy.
Originally posted by The Nuul
I just love how Glads can beat Mags but Superman cant.Since we are on the Glads topic.
If glads was empowered by the sun, he would lose to. Gladiator have all day to fight magneto whereas with magneto showings of controlling energy on a high level would literally mess superman up.