Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, and? Who denies that? You also draw an artifical line at some point, What you said to Urizen I could jsut as well say to you.
No, there is a thing called maturity, it is a process and people recognize the maturity and the mental difference between a person of age 5 compared to a person of age 10 for example.
Originally posted by Bardock42
As I said. No one denies that. But you take a line for when a person can act in porno as well..what is the difference?
You are agree that a difference in maturity exist between ages, especially child to teenage, yet you then ask what is the difference?
Same difference when we take a line and say a person is now old enough (maturity/mentally capable) to vote or drive etc.
Originally posted by Robtard
You are agree that a difference in maturity exist between ages, especially child to teenage, yet you then ask what is the difference?Same difference when we take a line and say a person is now old enough (maturity/mentally capable) to vote or drive etc.
Wow....you seriously lack the skill to comprehend what I am saying. When I ask what the difference is, I do not ask what the difference between a 5 and a 30 year old is, I ask what the difference between Lord Urizen saying that Teenagers at the age of 13 should have those rights and you saying teenagers at the age of 18 should is.
You stated
Originally posted by Robtard
So at 12, it would be child porn and that would be "gross"... But at 13 on up, that would be teen-porn and therefore cease to be "gross"... Whatever dude...
The same applies to you:
So at 17, it would be child porn and that would be "gross"... But at 18 on up, that would be adult-porn and therefore cease to be "gross"... Whatever dude...
Originally posted by Robtard
She's an adult in that picture... How is that ironic? Also, how is that picture in any way pronographic even if is was Natalie Portman circa 'The Professional'?
Just cause she starred in this movie called "Leon: The Professional", I found it funny.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow....you seriously lack the skill to comprehend what I am saying. When I ask what the difference is, I do not ask what the difference between a 5 and a 30 year old is, I ask what the difference between Lord Urizen saying that Teenagers at the age of 13 should have those rights and you saying teenagers at the age of 18 should is.You stated
The same applies to you:
So at 17, it would be child porn and that would be "gross"... But at 18 on up, that would be adult-porn and therefore cease to be "gross"... Whatever dude...
Just cause she starred in this movie called "Leon: The Professional", I found it funny.
No, I comprehend you and I have repeatedly explained to you that there is a maturity difference between a 13 year old and a 18 year old. That is why certain rights come with age. In your logic, why shouldn't a 13 year old be allowed to drive a car while a 16 year old has the right? Why shouldn't a 13 year old be allowed to vote while a 18 year old has that right?
Ok, funny I can agree with, just not ironic.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, I comprehend you and I have repeatedly explained to you that there is a maturity difference between a 13 year old and a 18 year old. That is why certain rights come with age. In your logic, why shouldn't a 13 year old be allowed to drive a car while a 16 year old has the right? Why shouldn't a 13 year old be allowed to vote while a 18 year old has that right?Ok, funny I can agree with, just not ironic.
But you pretend like it is a fact that your line 18 is superiour to Urizen's line 13...that's just weird.
Álso good questions, why should it be that way? I don't think it should, apparently you do. And I think at latest when you can drive a car you should be allowed to **** whoever you want.
Well, she has a signature with an actress that became famous through a heavily paedophilic movie condemning paedophilic pornographjy as sick disgusting...it is ironic.
Originally posted by Bardock42
But you pretend like it is a fact that your line 18 is superiour to Urizen's line 13...that's just weird.Álso good questions, why should it be that way? I don't think it should, apparently you do. And I think at latest when you can drive a car you should be allowed to **** whoever you want.
Well, she has a signature with an actress that became famous through a heavily paedophilic movie condemning paedophilic pornographjy as sick disgusting...it is ironic.
It is not weird, there are mental, emotional and physical differences between a 13 year old and a 18 year old; maturity. At 13, were you equipped with the mental, emotional and physical capabilities to handle life like you were at 18?
Then you are insane or a nihilist, if we allowed children and teenagers to do anything they wanted because they said they were ready, we would have complete anarchy or simply we wouldn't exist. Well, 16 is far more reasonable than 12, I can't fully disagree with you there.
Fortunately, that was a movie and pedophilia didn't actually happen. I do not think Jean Reno was really f#cking Natalie Portman.
Originally posted by Robtard
It is not weird, there are mental, emotional and physical differences between a 13 year old and a 18 year old; maturity. At 13, were you equipped with the mental, emotional and physical capabilities to handle life like you were at 18?Then you are insane or a nihilist, if we allowed children and teenagers to do anything they wanted because they said they were ready, we would have complete anarchy or simply we wouldn't exist. Well, 16 is far more reasonable than 12, I can't fully disagree with you there.
Fortunately, that was a movie and pedohilia didn't actually happen. I do not think Jean Reno was really f#cking Natalie Portman.
You jsut make that shit up, you choose a line and decide to argue by it....really, really unreasonable.
I am talking about giving teenagers the trust freedom to decide for themselves..that is not unreasonable. They don't have the rights to harm other people , but for themself, why not?
Originally posted by Bardock42
You jsut make that shit up, you choose a line and decide to argue by it....really, really unreasonable.I am talking about giving teenagers the trust freedom to decide for themselves..that is not unreasonable. They don't have the rights to harm other people , but for themself, why not?
No, I do not choose or make sh!t up, society as a collective chooses based on what we know. In this case 'we' realize that maturity comes with age and that is why there are restrictions.
And again, if we allowed teenagers to do whatever they wanted because they said "I am ready and mature" then we would have complete anarchy or we wouldn't exist. Do you really really think a 13 year old actually has the maturity and emotional/mental capacity to realize the consequences of having sex like an adult, with an adult and to do it on film?
Originally posted by Robtard
No, I do not choose or make sh!t up, society as a collective chooses based on what we know. In this case 'we' realize that maturity comes with age and that is why there are restrictions.And again, if we allowed teenagers to do whatever they wanted because they said "I am ready and mature" then we would have complete anarchy or we wouldn't exist. Do you really really think a 13 year old actually has the maturity and emotional/mental capacity to realize the consequences of having sex like an adult, with an adult and to do it on film?
Well, that's a chicken egg kinda thing..does society think that 16 is the age because it was decided or was it decided bevause society thought that was the line.
What about "not harming other people" do you not get? We wouldn't have any more Anarchy as we have it already. And yes, yes I think that...I think they could have the maturity. The way to go is usually to educate people, not to ban everything.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, that's a chicken egg kinda thing..does society think that 16 is the age because it was decided or was it decided bevause society thought that was the line.What about "not harming other people" do you not get? We wouldn't have any more Anarchy as we have it already. And yes, yes I think that...I think they could have the maturity. The way to go is usually to educate people, not to ban everything.
Chicken egg? If you mean the whole "What came first, the chicken of the egg?" question. The chicken did. And as far as society placing age restrictions between children and adults, I would guess that most people realize what the maturity level of a child is compared to an adults since all adults where children once.
When it comes to sex between a 13 year old and an adult, the chance of harming is in all practicality on the 13 year olds corner. The adult is far more mature, prepared and able to realize any consequence before hand.
If you want to believe that by 13, 12 or ? a person is mature enough and equipped with the metal, emotional and physical tools to handle anything, then I cannot convince you otherwise. Not much more I can say than I have already.
Originally posted by Robtard
Chicken egg? If you mean the whole "What came first, the chicken of the egg?" question. The chicken did.When it comes to sex between a 13 year old and an adult, the chance of harming is in all practicality on the 13 year olds corner. The adult is far more mature, prepared and able to realize any consequence before hand.
If you want to believe that by 13, 12 or ? a person is mature enough and equipped with the metal, emotional and physical tools to handle anything, then I cannot convince you otherwise. Not much more I can say than I have already.
Interesting, where did the chicken come from?
maybe, but it is it's choice to be harmed. we don't have to protect people from themselves. I can see that parents have a right to bring up their children to a certain age and influence them afterwards, but I think the govermnment should just grant them freedom as early as possible.
If you want to believe that by 18, 16 or ? a person is mature enough and equipped with the metal, emotional and physical tools to handle anything, then I cannot convince you otherwise. Not much more I can say than I have already.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Interesting, where did the chicken come from?maybe, but it is it's choice to be harmed. we don't have to protect people from themselves. I can see that parents have a right to bring up their children to a certain age and influence them afterwards, but I think the govermnment should just grant them freedom as early as possible.
If you want to believe that by 18, 16 or ? a person is mature enough and equipped with the metal, emotional and physical tools to handle anything, then I cannot convince you otherwise. Not much more I can say than I have already.
It evolved from something else or God made it depending on your stance.
Ok.
I believe that maturity levels exist and a person of 13 is not on par with a person of 18 certain reasons. Stages in maturity do actually exist, we are not born ready to run, mental, emotional and physical tools are not there from birth. And ok.
Originally posted by Robtard
It evolved from something else or God made it depending on your stance.Ok.
I believe that maturity levels exist and a person of 13 is not on par with a person of 18 certain reasons. Stages in maturity do actually exist, we are not born ready to run, mental, emotional and physical tools are not there from birth. And ok.
Most likely is that the egg existed first. Since the first chicken probably came from the first chicken egg....that eggs (without "chicken"😉 probably existed way before something close to a chicken existed doesn't matter. Enough weird theories for today.
That's probably true, but I will go ahead and claim that a person of 18 is not on par with a person of 25. They do indeed exist. But if you want to look at it naturally people can have sex when they are able to reproduce. So, why not take this actually existing level instead?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Most likely is that the egg existed first. Since the first chicken probably came from the first chicken egg....that eggs (without "chicken"😉 probably existed way before something close to a chicken existed doesn't matter. Enough weird theories for today.That's probably true, but I will go ahead and claim that a person of 18 is not on par with a person of 25. They do indeed exist. But if you want to look at it naturally people can have sex when they are able to reproduce. So, why not take this actually existing level instead?
No, an 'egg' couldn't have evolved out of some species line, but instead certain species evolved into their offspring being born and incubating in eggs. Logically thinking of course.
We could claim that all day, that at 50 you should be allowed to drive instead of 16 so on and so forth. But, 'we' realize there needs to be a line when a person is responsible for their own actions. People for the most part realize that, that time isn't at 13 when taking into account the typical emotional, mental and physical level of children/teenagers. I'm sure somewhere on the planet there is a 13 year old that is more mature than a 50 year old, but that isn't the norm.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, an 'egg' couldn't have evolved out of some species line, but instead certain species evolved into their offspring being born and incubating in eggs. Logically thinking of course.We could claim that all day, that at 50 you should be allowed to drive instead of 16 so on and so forth. But, 'we' realize there needs to be a line when a person is responsible for their own actions. People for the most part realize that, that time isn't at 13 when taking into account the typical emotional, mental and physical level of children/teenagers. I'm sure somewhere on the planet there is a 13 year old that is more mature than a 50 year old, but that isn't the norm.
Yeah, but eggs existed before chickens. And to be a chicken you'd have to have come out of a chicken egg...so a chick had to have been there first. If it was about what came first a lump of cells we call alive or an egg..then the lump of cells would win.
People nowadays do for the most part do that. If they do it because of independent thought or because of being conditioned..well, not sure about that. Anyways, there are reasons why 13 or 14 are just as reasonable and I and Urizen have given them so the 16 line is basically just taking more freedoms from humans,...nothing else.
Also, you assume that 13 year olds are not mature enough to have sex (they can by the way, with any other 13 year old...whenever they want) . I mean yeah 13 year olds probably aren't as mature as 18 year olds...of course not...because a person matures with age. This is just abut being mature enough to choose to have sex.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but eggs existed before chickens. And to be a chicken you'd have to have come out of a chicken egg...so a chick had to have been there first. If it was about what came first a lump of cells we call alive or an egg..then the lump of cells would win.People nowadays do for the most part do that. If they do it because of independent thought or because of being conditioned..well, not sure about that. Anyways, there are reasons why 13 or 14 are just as reasonable and I and Urizen have given them so the 16 line is basically just taking more freedoms from humans,...nothing else.
Also, you assume that 13 year olds are not mature enough to have sex (they can by the way, with any other 13 year old...whenever they want) . I mean yeah 13 year olds probably aren't as mature as 18 year olds...of course not...because a person matures with age. This is just abut being mature enough to choose to have sex.
If by saying "so a chick had to have been there first" you mean the chicken came before the egg, I agree.
I you want to believe not allowing children to do whatever they want or certain things is nothing more than repression of freedoms; OK, I cannot convince you further with what I have already said.
I said 13 year olds are not mature enough to experience sex like an adult with an adult. Children and teenagers exploring sex with their peers is natural and a step in the maturing process, I am not against that.
If someone should be allowed to have sex just because their body functions, then I should have been allowed to have sex with adult women when I was 7 (maybe it was 8) by your logic, that's when I started masturbating. Some girls start their menstrual cycles as young as 9, in some cases younger and are technically ready for sex. I do not agree.