micheal can beat god, if he tried, not with just sheer power, but also with intelligence, lucifer has done it, plus THOUTU is NOT equal to god, its is the power over the multiverse, NOT anythin beyond that, like the beyond realm, TOAA= the creater of the multiverse, creater of beyond realm, and is beyond any of his creations like the multiverse{n hence he has power beyond THOTU, n hes also beyond the beyond realm itself}
Michael didnt need lucifers help to create a multiverse.
Michael was transported to outside of creation, where he created the multiverse all by himself by allowing himself to be killed and reborn at the start of the new multiverse. Lucifer only shaped the multiverse into a place that resembles the sort of reality that our universe has.
What are you talking about? Michael didnt create the multiverse. He only created MATTER and Lucifer shaped it into suns, stars etc. Please read the whole Lucifer comic book. Or better yet, read Lucifer #26 because it was exactly said in it. And you have to carefully read the issue(#13) where Michael was killed by Lucifer in the void. When Michael was reborn and returned to Presence's multiverse, Lucifer was left behind, and Mike Carey narrates:
"The Devil stayed awhile and watched. Ephemerial particles did their dance and then died. Gas clouds began to draw imperceptibly together, and weave themselves into stars."
This clearly shows that Michael created Matter(particles)and when he returned to our multiverse and Lucifer was left behind, this particles was formed into stars, etc. Effectively making it a Multiverse.
Originally posted by eleveninches
LT is the SERVENT of TOAA.Lucifer/Michael are the EQUALS of god.
What are you babling about, come on, equal to God, be serios, disgusting. He has fraction og God almightiness. leonheartmm, I msut say, you probably said even more disgusting thing, Michael could beat God with inteligence, haha, lol, nothing is above God pwoer or intelligence. eleveninches, he didn't create his multiverse by himslef, Michael died, demiurgic explosin happedn in the void, that explosion created matter, and that is why he was able to create own Multiverse.
You must realize The Presence would make Michale look like joke, and TOAA make one with HOTU look like joke, it's simple, nothing can stand agaisnt GOD. To original topic, yes the one with HOTU would destroy Michael.
Originally posted by eleveninches
Im talking about when michael went outside of creation and then he did create a multiverse all by himself
When was that? The only time Michael went outside creation was when Lucifer brought him there and killed him and when Michael warned Lucifer that the Presence doesnt like a new creation outside of his own creation, thats it. He never went in it ever aside from this 2 incidents. Again please read Lucifer #13 and #26 because it directly contradicts what your saying.
Michael creating matter DOES NOT mean he created the multiverse, because matter does not = multiverse. Thats crazy. Matter SHAPED into something IS Creation/Multiverse.
When michael was freed, and followed lucifer into the void, he let lucifer kill him, and then created existance outside of creation. Michael created it, as there was nothing there before he died. ucifer shaped the matter into a comprehendable universe.
And BTW, in Lucifer (cant remember the issue), lucifer is talking to michael and says that they both were given power equal to that of god
He didnt create existence outside creation. Did you not read my post where Mike Carey himself(the author) narrated what happened?
Again, Im gonna post it here(this is after Mike was reborn and returned back to our multiverse):
"The Devil stayed awhile and watched. Ephemerial particles did their dance and then died. Gas clouds began to draw imperceptibly together, and weave themselves into stars." Lucifer #13 p. 20
Notice the keyword? EPHEMERIAL PARTICLES. Are you saying that creating particles is creation? Is that what you really think? Do you really want me to define what "Matter" and "Particles" are. All Michael did was create something that has mass(solid or liquid or gas, etc) for Lucifer to shape into something. THAT is creation. Creating matter to shape into something is creation/existence/universe/multiverse, etc.
Trust me eleveninches, I know what Im saying. I have the very issue where Lucifer killed Michael in the void, right in my face. You cant just claim anything you want without providing facts. For the last 3 posts of mine, I have been providing nothing but pure facts. And still you continue to argue.
Originally posted by eleveninches And BTW, in Lucifer (cant remember the issue), lucifer is talking to michael and says that they both were given power equal to that of god
No. Sorry theyre not. There is no issue where it was said that Lucifer and Michael said that they have power equal to The Presence, because that issue does not exist.
Again, trust me on this one.
nope, he isnt, both micheal and lucifer are beyond the boundries of the multiverse or even the endless including fate{they can actually recreate the endless when they create a new multiverse. u think what i sai disgusting, well ill write it another way, when thanos, with THOTU used its power, he destroyed 1 {singular} MULTIVERSE, ok thas the power level of marvel, "1" multiverse. he did NOT TOUCH THE BEYOND REALM, THOTU gives u power to destroy "1"{n get it in ur heads} multiverse, this destruction destroyed all the abstracts in the multiverse including the great LIVING TRIBUNAL. now compare this with micheal or lucifer who at any given time can create 1 MULTIVERSE with each others help AND WITHOUT EXHAUSTING THEIR OWN POWERS, which means that THEY CAN CREATE "ANOTHER" "MULTIVERSE" "AGAIN" right after they have created 1, and if any 1 of them{micheal or lucifer} dies, they will without any1s help, DESTROY "1" MULTIVERSE, this FACT makes them equal to THOTU, which can also destroy "1" multiverse, BUT lucifer and micheal are above death or the multiverse which lucifer proved when micheal died{in a sense of the word} and the demiurgic explosion{which had the same power as the destruction of the single marvel multiverse by THOTU} and lucifer stood at ground zero of the explosion and was completely unharmed!, THINK ABOUT IT, this also means that if micheal or lucifer stood at ground zero of the destruction of the marvel multiverse by THOTU, they would not even get a tan!
other than that, micheal or mucifer alone can actually CREAT all the endless from SCRATCH, and can also RULE with complete onmnipotence any 1 multiverse that they have created,
and XPLOSIVE, before u say that i said "DISGUSTING THINGS" maybe u should actually READ any god damn lucifer comics, lucifer HAS outsmarted BOTH GOD, AND THE PRESENCE and made their schemes FAIL, even WITHOUT HIS POWERS{when lucifer was no more powerful than a human} using ONLY HIS WIT AND MIND, it doesnt matter if the presence is completely omnipotent or not, LUCIFER "HAS" OUTSMARTED IT.