Galactus W/HOTU VS. Archangel Michael

7 years.......Damn, you seriously should catch up. But yeah, if thats the case kevdude, then its ok. No need to apologize.

And yeah, dcuguide's history of DCU states that The Word was created when The Voice opened its mouth, but if you look at The Word's bio in that exact same site, it was stated that The Word is an incarnation of the first word spoken by God in the beginning. So its another contradiction for dcuguide.

And about Tefe, Spectre did say that the Word cant die, but the fact remains that The Word was overpowered and defeated by an Earth Elemental seals it for me. Im sure The Presence, regardless of his immortality, wont be defeated by such a lower being.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how the hell should i know what was in them, i already told u that the first multiverse was the normal DC multiverse, the second one was HELL, and the third one is the one lucifer currently made{all by himself without any help that i know of} and in which he resides in n lets any being that does not want to live under god reside with him with no rules or limitations of god, i dont know what beings live in these but why is that important? n last time i checked, universes and multiverse didnt have name. looks to me like ur tryin to dismiss the whole fact that lucifer created multiverses

I completely missed this. But anyway, no leonheartmm, Lucifer didnt create the multiverse he's currently in all by himself, as Ive said before on eleveninches, he needed Michael to do that. Refer to Lucifer #13, because it was shown in there: Lucifer brought Michael to the void and killed him that lead to the demiurgic explosion, which, as a result, became Matter and then Lucifer shaped it into Suns, Stars, Planets, etc.

It's already firmly established that Lucifer and Michael CANT create multiverses on their own. They seriously need each other to do that.

Also Hell is not a creation of Lucifer. It was already there even before he was cast out of Heaven.

Syncho I dont really think they have contradicted themselves its just how they word everything, however i do believe they did make a few mistakes with The Voice and The Presence. also after reading more of dcuguide and more sites that I have found with the Comics books themselves and dates . I would have to say The Source came into existence and then The Voice when the original universe was created that The Presence helped Lucifer and Michael create. also I read The Sources bio on DCUguide and it says he is possibly a aspect of God and Heaven...

here is 2 sites you should look at they have the dates and comic books that show when it happens.
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/docs/pre20thcentury.html
http://dcu.smartmemes.com/DCTL_1_TL.html

In the first link I believe they made a BIG mistake because they have put Imperiex above EVERYONE and EVERYTHING, i know he is VERY powerful but he can never be above the Source, The Presence or Lucifer and Michael. Imperiex is the embodiment of entropy, signaling the end of existence. he destroyed the last DC Universe that was here before the current DC Universe that we know of today, if u look down on that list on the first link u see a being named the Shattered God, he is a being that formed in the Void, When it utters its first word, the stress it places on the nascent reality causes it to fragment into millions of pieces. this event seems to be the actual Big Bang. it seems to me this being is Imperiex Prime but Im not sure, what does everyone think??

Well, Im not really an expert on Imperiex, so I cant really comment on it.

In the 2nd link. It shows that the Source existed before the multiverse. Although if you read its description on the right side, the one who made this wasnt even sure if the Source preceded the mutliverse that Lucifer and Michael created because he/she said "we may presume". Unless Im missing something. Also, it didnt mention about the time the Presence created Lucifer and Michael. The first reference to the brothers was already the creation of the multiverse. He/she shouldve mentioned their creation because, as far as Im concerned, that is very important.

So yeah, Im still a bit skeptical about the links you gave.