Originally posted by Master_Galen
The fact that Qui-gon was a master of Ataru and tired quite quicky during his duel against Darth Maul depite being only 60 years old leads me to believe that it must have hindered Yoda, being almost 900 years old, to a degree. Plus in the movies, when he is not fighting Yoda appears to walk slowly with the aid of a walking stick and in AOTC just before he fought Dooku he appeared to limp or walk very slowly.
You're digging your own hole. Even though Yoda appeared tired, slow, and weak before his battle with Dooku/Sids, he was a beast once the battle began.
Originally posted by truejedi
I'm surprised anyone actually believes Anakin can win this. Anakin is not in the same LEAGUE as Yoda. Anakin lost to Kenobi. He would lose again to Kenobi in a rematch. He is NOT going to be anywhere near touching Yoda.
80% of Sidious.
Sidious found Yoda's attempts to kill him hilarious.
Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
You win. Yoda is just a feeble old green creature that can barely walk. His age will prevent him from keeping up with someone in the youth of their life. I wouldn't be surprised if he just fell asleep before the fight began because he is so old. 🙁I'll just agree to disagree.
I have not quite phrased the Yoda age situation in the right way, that is my bad, so i will have another attempt.
But first things first, just because Yoda was old he would not fall asleep, har har, i did not mean for you to intepret my view that way. For the record i think Yoda is awesome and damn powerful, hence why i entered this thread in the first place to prove just how powerful Yoda really was, do you think i would really post something that contradicts that later, what would the point in that be.
Now, what i was trying to say, and i hope it is better phrased so not for misintepretation this time, is that in a fight with Anakin, Ataru would hinder the user. Yes, it is designed for single combat however you can't disagree that it tires the user, look at TPM Qui-Gon Vs Maul fight, Qui-Gon did tire pretty quickly and he is much younger than Yoda, i meant this as an emample of Ataru tiring the user not as my whole argument, which i admit it did sound like in some of my posts, again my bad. Continuing, we know that Anakin get stronger the longer the fight continues and has a pretty deep stamina reservoir thanks to his massive force connection so i was merely saying that to go with the Qui-Gon example plus the fact that Ataru tires the user and Anakin just gets stronger during the fight it would be logical to conclude that the person more likely to tire quickly will lose against the person who only get stronger as he fights.
Originally posted by truejedi
I'm surprised anyone actually believes Anakin can win this. Anakin is not in the same LEAGUE as Yoda. Anakin lost to Kenobi. He would lose again to Kenobi in a rematch. He is NOT going to be anywhere near touching Yoda.
There were two reasons that Anakin lost that fight.
One. Anakin's state of mind in that fight was all over the place, he was in a rage at the thought that Padme had betrayed him and we all know his main reason for turning to the dark side was to save Padme, so for her to betray him for that sent his mind into chaos, resulting in loss of all reason and logic during that fight.
Two. Kenobi knew Anakin better than anyone , except maybe Palpatine, Kenobi knew all of Anakin's combat moves and tactics, Kenobi was focused during the entire fight, he was able to think clearly and use his surroundings to help himself in that fight.
Together, these points give Kenobi the clear advantage in the fight, yet Anakin was pushing Kenobi back the entire time, he appeared to be winning until Kenobi took the high ground, then Anakin's overconfidence and loss of reason caused him to attempt to jump over Kenobi, the chances are if he was not in a rage and was thinking clearly Anakin would still have thought about jumping but would never actually of done so.
Originally posted by Master_Galen
, yet Anakin was pushing Kenobi back the entire time, he appeared to be winning until Kenobi took the high ground, then Anakin's overconfidence and loss of reason caused him to attempt to jump over Kenobi,
You have obviously never read the novelization.
the chances are if he was not in a rage and was thinking clearly Anakin would still have thought about jumping but would never actually of done so.
Prove this please?
Originally posted by truejedi
You have obviously never read the novelization.
The movies are the highest canon.
Originally posted by truejedi
Prove this please?
I can't prove this, like how people can't prove that, say, Marka Ragnos is the most powerful sith. Not that i am starting that up, it is just an example, so please don't try and start something over that anybody.
Originally posted by Master_Galen
The movies are the highest canon.
But your interpretation of the fight (that anakin was in control) is inferior to the novelization's interpretation (that kenobi was in control)
I have fought and won this argument many many times. Look it up.
I can't prove this, like how people can't prove that, say, Marka Ragnos is the most powerful sith. Not that i am starting that up, it is just an example, so please don't try and start something over that anybody. [/B]
Horrible example, since any people that say Ragnos is the most powerful Sith are ridiculed.
Originally posted by truejediBut your interpretation of the fight (that anakin was in control) is inferior to the novelization's interpretation (that kenobi was in control)
I have fought and won this argument many many times. Look it up.
Fair enough, i will concede your point.
Originally posted by truejediHorrible example, since any people that say Ragnos is the most powerful Sith are ridiculed.
What example would you like me to use? Ok, how about this one. Can you prove that full potential Luke would beat full potential Anakin?
Originally posted by Master_GalenWhat example would you like me to use? Ok, how about this one. Can you prove that full potential Luke would beat full potential Anakin?
Your examples are not so well, since the only thing i can prove is that a full potential anakin could beat a full potential luke based on GL's own description of the chosen one...
So of course I can't prove something that wouldn't be true.
Originally posted by truejedi
Your examples are not so well, since the only thing i can prove is that a full potential anakin could beat a full potential luke based on GL's own description of the chosen one...So of course I can't prove something that wouldn't be true.
My point is only that nobody can prove something that has not happened, however logic argues that no one thinking clearly would attempt that jump.