ROTS Anakin & Darth Sidious vs. Tulak Hord & Marka Ragnos

Started by Darth_Janus7 pages

Well, they might if they swing just right... Oh god... damn me for thinking that....

But I still believe your wrong, just because Anakin in his prime was defeated by Obi Wan, someone who would be an insignificant flea next to an ancient Sith lord.

Whatever man. Obi-Wan will get worked a lot in this fight, and only through his ability (from personal knowledge) to exploit Anakin's weaknesses does he win.

But he still does it. Considering ancient Sith specialized in demoralizing opponents as they fought, do you think it impossible that anyone other than Obi Wan could have defeated Anakin?

Yes and no.

Yes, as like I said Obi-Wan knows his weaknesses etc. But Anakin, although very insane at this point still offered Obi-Wan a chance to leave. Anakin didn't want to kill Obi-Wan, but he thought he had to so he could save Padme.

Anakin would be focused and determined if he was fighting anyone else. With Obi-Wan, it's as if he has something to prove, Obi-Wan is the only Jedi Anakin ever felt lesser than. Anakin would slice through Windu(not easily however) and Yoda, but Obi-Wan is different. As you've agreed with me, he's a super ninja. Anakin wants to be the ninja, but he's not cool enough.

how is it that GL's word gets overthrown? If it wasn't for him, this whole forum wouldn't exist, and i wouldn't be here getting the better of all those who say that Anakin/Vader isn't the most powerful being in the SW universe....before Luke. I mean it's like arguing with dr. suess........

Suess: The cat in the hat was 6 feet tall

Any dummy in this forum saying lucas is wrong about his own story: no, hes a regular cat, and doesn't talk.

You can't argue with the guy who created the entire thing, sorry. If he says Anakin is more powerful than anyone, then he is. Get over it.

So let me get this straight according to you:

Anakin is more powerful then Mace and Yoda and would beat them
Mace and Yoda are more powerful then Obi and would beat him
Anakin has always felt as less then Obi and now wants to defeat him, proof himself?

So let me get this straight a so called all powerful Jedi would somehow lose from somebody who is a lot weaker then him, somebody who he desperatly wants to beat and fails because he doesn't want to fight with him? Okay...

So if you are that stupid, if you can not defeat somebody you want to defeat, then how can you compare yourself with two Sith that never once lost a fight. One that ruled for a 100 years without any challange to die peacefully? Anakin apparantly can not even beat somebody he desperatly wants too, how could he beat somebody with complete control and a calm mind and body that has seen more fights then he ever will?

How can he beat somebody that was not challanged even though he was hated? And how can Sidious do so if even Anakin can't, when everybody seems to think Anakin is more powerful.

Midi thingies don't mean you can't be defeated, the chosen one prophecy means absolutly nothing. But that you are the one to bring balance to the force, it says nothing about who is more powerful you or a ancient Sith. Anakin does not stand a chance and neither does Sidious. They do not have the skill the power the knowledge or the experience to do so.

I never said anything about "midi thingies"

I said George Lucas created the entire SW universe, and he says Anakin is the most powerful being in it.

Anakin isn't even my favorite character, so i wouldnt just defend him, but if the person who created him says its so, then it is.

How ignorant are you?

I was talking to Nefarus... Your reply was just finished before mine was, shouldn't be doing so much other shit instead of typing i guess.

Anyways why i do not believe him?

Do you believe everything Bill Gates says about Microsoft? Who cares that he created it, doesn't mean it has to be true.

Do you believe anything Bush says about the US and its people? Who cares that he rules it doesn't mean its true.

GL is just like any other person, he thinks he made the best thing. He has the power to say things like that, and why in hells name would you make your own creation weaker? But he has no real facts to support it besides what he says. Seriously what would make Anakin more powerful? Raw potential would make him more powerful then somebody who is incredibly experienced and has seen a lot more combat?

I just don't trust GL on this, i doubt he even knows everything about the EU Or cares very much for anything star wars related that he did not create. If he could make a real argument as to why Anakin and Sidious would beat Tulak and Ragnos i might be inclined to believe him, but i very much doubt it now

Well if he never said Anakin was the most powerful, then yea i would believe u., but the fact is he said it, so it's true. I'll believe him over the guy who invented ragnos and hord anyday. In the end it all belongs to GL.

Exactly! Thank you Jack.

HIS universe, HIS rules.

Exactly.

So if he would suddenly say a rat would become more powerful then Anakin and would be the most powerful thing ever you would believe him?

Because in my eyes that makes about as much sense as what he has said so far

Well, I look at this way. The force created Anakin, therefore he's the "Jesus" of Star Wars, therfore he has the highest connection to the force, therfore he has the most power.
And in ROTS, he is more powerful than everyone, because GL says so and because the force says so

If Lucas said "I have created this rat and he's in a new movie im making, and he's the most powerful being ever, more powerful than anakin"

then yes it wuld be true, becuz its his story, he can do what he wants with it.

Am i sayin i wuld like it, or do? no, but thats the way it is, you just have to face it, like everyone else.

we need to rid the world of the non-believers lol

The bible says Jesus is the son of god, the Koran says he is an important prophet.

In that case i believe the Koran more because of a lot of reasons i won't bore you with seeing as this is SW. The most powerful is an oppinion, you can't just create something give to everybody and then make yourself god of that thing.

Well apparantly you can, but you kinda lose all of my respect and all meaning in your word dissapears. Its like him suddenly saying Palp was actually Luke his father, and Anakin was just the son of a goat who was a manifistation of the greek god Zeus.

It makes no sense

"What Luke sees in Darth Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi is something that I thought was worth understanding: the idea that Darth actually was a very good person," Lucas says. "Except he's slightly more powerful than other people and when you get into that situation, your ability to do evil is much easier to come by."
-- "Flaws in a Good Heart," by Hugh Hart, Calendar Live on LATimes.com, January 20, 2002 (Source: calendarlive.com)

That's the only quote I've yet to find from George Lucas concerning Anakin's power. I'll see if I can't find anything else.

Maybe it makes no sense......BUT ITS HIS STORY, so if he wanted to change it, it wuld be true.....

say u wrote a story, and then sum guy came up to you and told u that part of ur story is wrong and that his version is right. wuld u believe him? of course not......its a fake story, therefore, the writer of the story, is the only one to say who is what and what is what.

You're right, it makes no sense that Lucas' word is more credible than other people using HIS stories

exactly....theyre HIS. he made em, he says what goes. even if it doesnt make sense in ur eyes, it doesnt matter. its not ur story, its his.