Nate Grey Vs Silver Surfer

of course he could, but one shot spells death. Take scotts optic blast and multiply it to infinity, that is the kind of power surfer has at his disposal.

it DOESNT MATTER how strong surfer's cosmic blasts are, nate is just wayy too powerful for surfer to handle, i doubt even thanos could handle nate grey, his telekenesis rivalled that of dark pheonix,

Nate actually beat Thanos in that annual, but i can't remember how though.

thanos is above surfere if im not wrong?

Originally posted by Maestro
Nate actually beat Thanos in that annual, but i can't remember how though.

which annual? '95?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it DOESNT MATTER how strong surfer's cosmic blasts are, nate is just wayy too powerful for surfer to handle, i doubt even thanos could handle nate grey, his telekenesis rivalled that of dark pheonix,

Nate is uber. He beat Thanos?

im not saying he beat thanos, im sayin that he could, and avccording to this other guy he already has.

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
If Jean's telekinesis can hold back Scott's eye beam, which ARE COSMIC BEAMS !!! Than I suppose Nate HER SON, can hold cosmic blasts launched by Surfer too !!

You've misunderstood Cyclops power. They are beams of pure force. Nothing more. They are far from cosmic. His body metabolises solar energy and his eyes project pure force.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You've misunderstood Cyclops power. They are beams of pure force. Nothing more. They are far from cosmic. His body metabolises solar energy and his eyes project pure force.

the beam basically like a punch

"doubt even thanos could handle nate grey, his telekenesis rivalled that of dark pheonix,"

That comment was written during the phoenix retcon period of 86-03. That was when the phoenix was made into a separate entity just another cosmic force which was a sentient energy field derived from the psychic energy of all living things. The dark phoenix of that retcon period was made to be a much weaker manifestation of this cosmic entity. That phoenix story has now been canned. The original idea behind phoenix, the one that is now current continuity again is that there isnt a separate phoenix entity. The avatars are the phoenix. They are created by the union of the primal force of creation (which is stated to be second only to TOAA) and those with genetic phoenix potential. Jean was dark phoenix. The being that saved the multiverse and held eternity in her hand like it was nothing is dark phoenix. Dark phoenix is no longer a weak manifestation of some cosmic entitY. Nate Greys power does not rival the Phoenix of the white crowns im afraid that was a retcon era comment. Just like people had to accept the beyonder depowering retcon so must you accept this.

surfer did beat god-like cable, and maybe i´m wrong but they are pretty much the same, maybe nat is a little bit more powerfull. i think nate has a lot of power inside him, but he´s only human, i´m not sure if he´s body can control that amount of power, remember he was supposed to die at age 21 if he couldn´t control it.

Originally posted by Loot
surfer did beat god-like cable, and maybe i´m wrong but they are pretty much the same, maybe nat is a little bit more powerfull. i think nate has a lot of power inside him, but he´s only human, i´m not sure if he´s body can control that amount of power, remember he was supposed to die at age 21 if he couldn´t control it.

nah God like Cable would be stronger than Nate.

Originally posted by Mainstream
nah God like Cable would be stronger than Nate.

Nate in his last shown form was more powerful than god like cable. Unlike cable who was born naturally nate was genetically tampered with to ensure his power levels were such that he could easily destroy apocalypse. If he hadnt been genetically altered then his and god like cables power levels would be the same.

but he´s nate much more strong then cable? i think he´s just a little more powerful, but i didn´t read that story.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nate in his last shown form was more powerful than god like cable. Unlike cable who was born naturally nate was genetically tampered with to ensure his power levels were such that he could easily destroy apocalypse. If he hadnt been genetically altered then his and god like cables power levels would be the same.

Nate still is just a test tube baby.

Originally posted by Mainstream
Nate still is just a test tube baby.

True. But he's still more powerful than cable

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
True. But he's still more powerful than cable

but Cable more experienced with his powers though. I recall them fighting and Cable who was weaker still manage to win.

Originally posted by Mainstream
but Cable more experienced with his powers though. I recall them fighting and Cable who was weaker still manage to win.

I believe in a god like cable Vs Nate fight that cable would win. Because of his experience both with his powers and as a strategist. I havent said he wouldnt. However Nate is clearly more powerful and i can admit that despite being a big cable fan.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I believe in a god like cable Vs Nate fight that cable would win. Because of his experience both with his powers and as a strategist. I havent said he wouldnt. However Nate is clearly more powerful and i can admit that despite being a big cable fan.

I too am a Cable fan. lucky for us this at DBZ cuz Nate who is stronger would win against Cable.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nate in his last shown form was more powerful than god like cable. Unlike cable who was born naturally nate was genetically tampered with to ensure his power levels were such that he could easily destroy apocalypse. If he hadnt been genetically altered then his and god like cables power levels would be the same.

exactly, this is what i;ve been saying for years in nate vs cable debates. its like so damn simple its stupid to argue. a man whos genes were programmed to be strong enough to kill apocalypse IS stronger than a normal born man.

now i'm not saying cables esperience doesn't matter...but shaman x-man wasn't inexperienced ya know... cable vs x-man would be a close fight with x-men winning due to his sheer raw power.

in this case, surfer would definitely be facing a different game than god cable. he may lose...face it