Originally posted by tlbauerle
Y'know even YODA says arrogance is a problem, "Even with the older, more experienced Jedi"so NO, it's not that simple.
I completely agree! Good point there. This does in fact ruin the theory that good is plain good and evil is plain evil in Star Wars. There is much depth and many grey spots.
Originally posted by palpy_666
I completely agree! Good point there. This does in fact ruin the theory that good is plain good and evil is plain evil in Star Wars. There is much depth and much grey.
Sorry, no, that point cannot be disputed because George Lucas himself has said that is what the story is.
So apologies... but you are wrong.
In fact, George Lucas HATES grey areas, as his commentary on the nature of Balance of the Force makes clear.
I think you are mistaking points GL is making- about democracy, attachment and moral choices- with the central theme of the film, which is good and evil, as we have said.
But that is all by the by... because that doesn't change the fact that the Sith are absolutely evil and the Jedi absolutely good. Not PERFECT. Not incapable of error. But good, as opposed to the evil of the Sith.
That is the fundamental point of the saga.
Originally posted by palpy_666
So Ush, you're implying that GL wants us to side with the guys who are filled with corruption, arrogance, and lack of strength in their beliefs? The Sith seem to have an unquestionable amount of loyality.
Well I don't think he wants us to side with the SITH...that is ludicrous...
I think it is, again, a cautionary tale. Suicide terrorists also have unquestionable loyalty to inane causes...doesn't mean I side with them, or hell...even respect the loyalty.
Originally posted by palpy_666
So Ush, you're implying that GL wants us to side with the guys who are filled with corruption, arrogance, and lack of strength in their beliefs (the Jedi and all the other "good guys"😉? The Sith seem to have an unquestionable amount of loyality.
The Jedi are neither filled with corruption or lack of strength. Some of them have displayed an arrogant streak due to lack of opposition- makes them rather human actually.
So to answer you question- yes, absolutely you are meant to side with them.
"The Sith seem to have an unquestionable amount of loyality"
What on EARTH do you mean by that? The whole point of the Sith is that there is NO loyalty! One of the Apprentice or Master will always kill the other!
Are you quite sure you paid full attention to these films?
So Ush, you're implying that GL wants us to side with the guys who are filled with corruption, arrogance, and lack of strength in their beliefs (the Jedi and all the other "good guys"😉? The Sith seem to have an unquestionable amount of loyality.
Getting back to my Nazi Germany analogy. Palpy, it seems you would side with anyone with undying loyalty to a common cause, no matter what that cause is, or what means they use to acheive a goal. You're starting to really scare me. As was stated above, even suicide bombing terrorists have undying loyalty, and a clear common goal. Are you honestly suggesting that it should be reveared? Please...
Originally posted by tlbauerle
They are loyal to seeking absolute power for themselves at the down fall of everyone else...that's what I understood...agreed...definately not to each other...loyal to the cause and promotion of themself the individual.
Again, I agree. This is in response to Ush asking if I have paid attention to the films.
being broad and categorising starwars into two broad cateogories is singlemindedly ignorant and stubborn! Without the grey areas we wouldn't have such scoundrels as Han Solo or (i apolagise for delving into the EU here, but these stories ARE approved by george lucas) Mara jade for example! If u want to scope everything into black and white Ush go watch Winnie the Pooh!
Originally posted by whitewookie
being broad and categorising starwars into two broad cateogories is singlemindedly ignorant and stubborn! Without the grey areas we wouldn't have such scoundrels as Han Solo or (i apolagise for delving into the EU here, but these stories ARE approved by george lucas) Mara jade for example! If u want to scope everything into black and white Ush go watch Winnie the Pooh!
LOL!!! 😆
Originally posted by whitewookie
being broad and categorising starwars into two broad cateogories is singlemindedly ignorant and stubborn! Without the grey areas we wouldn't have such scoundrels as Han Solo or (i apolagise for delving into the EU here, but these stories ARE approved by george lucas) Mara jade for example! If u want to scope everything into black and white Ush go watch Winnie the Pooh!
Or maybe, I will watch Star Wars, and appreicate it as the film that George Lucas says it is, hmmm?
You want something else watch a film that is not for kids. But I will remind you again- this is not MY interpretation... it is simply what GL said he made. Anyone who says different is simply wrong! That is all there is to it
And Han Solo is exactly the point of that! Despite everything he had a heart of gold that he could not deny.
And no- totally ignore the EU. It is of no relevance.