Siding with the Sith

Originally posted by palpy_666
Again, I agree. This is in response to Ush asking if I have paid attention to the films.

Ok, so you find the fact that they lust for power and greed and domination and evil laudable, and don't want to side with the Jedi who promote peace and justice and strive for all things good?

Sorry, no, you haven't paid attention.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
I wouldn't say ignorant and stubborn...it IS a way to see the saga...just not the ONLY way.

It's George Lucas's way. So really... there is no other way.

if everyone watched a film and firmly believed and got from it the things the director enforced on them in the narrative, half the people who do wouldn't love starwars! every film is interpreted in a different way

Originally posted by Ushgarak

it is simply what GL said he made. Anyone who says different is simply wrong! That is all there is to it

The answer Lucas may give at a press junket or as a sound byte or what have you does not fully examine his ideological views of Good and Evil as simply defined black and white.

He may say "essentially" it is the story of good and evil meaning at it's basic storytelling component...but that doesn't mean that the story is that simple.

Ok, well, I guess I cannot stop anyone thinking "GL says his film is about one thing, but I think he, the writer and director and owner, is wrong and he ACTUALLY wrote a story about this other thing..."

But I would suggest that it is not a rational viewpoint to hold.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
The answer he may give at a press junket or as a sound byte or what have you does not fully examine his ideological views of Good and Evil as simply defined black and white.

He may say "essentially" it is the story of good and evil meaning at it's basic storytelling component...but that doesn't mean that the story is that simple.

No, he's also given it in detailed interview exploring what he was writing- as was mentioned earlier with the anitheroes thing, and has been gone into in enormous detail with the White Hat/Black Hat western allegory I talked of earlier.

Sorry, again, but you cannot simply ignore all that.

Why is that not rational? To think there is more to things than sound bytes and simple condensed answers? I hate to say it Ush, but that sounds naive.

Naive is the one who discounts everything GL has to say about it in favour of his own opinion.

I am simply well-informed. But it was whitewookie's view I called not rational.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
Why is that not rational? To think there is more to things than sound bytes and simple condensed answers? I hate to say it Ush, but that sounds naive.

i agree! i mean how can you say that were not suppose to feel sorry for Anikan when he becomes vader, coz thats what your essentially saying! As Lucas doesn't want us to like the Sith, therefore we feel no sympathy or empathy for him when he does fall!

The black/white hat thing is a visual story telling tool, motif, what have you...that he does use to personify good/bad...blah blah blah...

In the civil war we had blue or grey uniforms...but the war was about something more than just good and evil.

Originally posted by whitewookie
i agree! i mean how can you say that were not suppose to feel sorry for Anikan when he becomes vader, coz thats what your essentially saying! As Lucas doesn't want us to like the Sith, therefore we feel no sympathy or empathy for him when he does fall!

Of course you are meant to feel sorry for him- for the horrible mistake he has made!

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Yes, but this is NOT a history, it is a mythology.

Sorry, once more, GL: has been very clear on this on multiple occasions. Your opinions do not mean anything compared to that.

You are making Star Wars something it is not. That is an error.

That sounds an awful like a dictatorship to me!

Of course! It is his story, it gets done his way! You can like it or not like it- but you cannot change it!

na·ive or na·ïve -

Lacking worldliness and sophistication.
Simple and credulous as a child.

Definately not what I'm trying to...

Well, that again is your opinion, but let's not fixate on that.

Fact is, it is very well established what Star Wars is and is not. What it is is a simple morality play of good guys and bad guys. What it is not is a story of moral grey areas.

Like I say, GL has specifically talked of his distaste for such things.

The nature of Good and Evil is not simple black and white....

Any story trying to show the nature of Good and Evil cannot simply rely on black and white to accurately tell the story.

It seems pretty clear to me after watching the films that Lucas' idea of Good and Evil and the struggle between them is not a direct confrontation but a complex, intricate, and intimate struggle.

Ok, sorry, GL disagrees with your opening statement there. You don't agree with what GL thinks? Fine! But that is how he wrote his story.

The prequel films are in a more complex backdrop- that doesn't affect the core value of the story. Rebels vs. Imperials in a simple background has become Jedi vs. Sith in a complex one- identical principle.

😆 @ this thread...LOL...

simple:

jedi are good...

sith are evil...

and what palpatine says is not true...and if u beleived that...then u were just like anakin 😉

It really is as simple as Ush is saying it is. We are following a FICTIONAL story, where the boundaries of good and evil are clearly lableled for us. There is no disputing it, because it isn't real. The only option you have, is to take everything the author has put infront of you, and either like it, or don't like it.

However, what Ush is saying (and I completely agree) is there is NO ROOM for other interpretations in a fictional tale. The ONLY relevent viewpoint is that of the Author. And in this case, GL has made the story abundantly clear.

Jedi's are Good, Siths are evil, get over it already.

Look...if Good and Evil were simply black and white then how can Anakin be redeemed?

Also, when does Anakin become Evil? It is not an instant switch from black to white...

This implies a grey area.