Siding with the Sith

If Emperor had control of the media, his power would be the light side and they would wear white.
I seriously doubt everyone in the galaxy would have cheered the rebel's victory. No way that could happen if Palpatine controlled the Galaxy and the World Broadcast Network... 🙂
The Empire Broadcast would be televising all the murderous acts committed by the rebels such as killing innocent contractors on the death star, and the senseless arm cutting of the terrorist jedis who use dirty mind tricks to win at Pazaac. Jedis decapitate on a whim! With a dull lightsabre! Then broadcast all the aliens killed by the jedis with Empire's flag draped over them....

When I say that the Sith are loyal, I mean that they are loyal to their own quest for power and personal fulfillment, not loyal to eachother. Personal fulfillment brings personal happiness in the end. And truly, I have to say, personal happiness is a characteristic of all conscious beings. Again, this is science.

[QUOTE=3732797]Originally posted by palpy_666
I support the Sith because the Sith do not have moral obligations and constraints placed upon them. They do not have a strict code of conduct which robbs them of their natural desires. They are truly free to do as they please. [/b]

Uh Palpy I hate to disappoint you but the SITH do have rules and a code. They broke away from the Jedi Order, so what applies to the JEDI applies to the SITH- No ATTACHMENTS. That is why Sidious wants Padme out of the picture she is too much of a focus for Anakin.

She and Obi-Wan are Anakin's moral compass. Get rid of them and Anakin belongs to Palpatine. Also that is why Sidious started questioning Vader in ROTJ about his attachment to LUke "I want to make sure your feelings are clear on this matter."

[i]The Sith make usage of the Dark Side of the Force (accessible through anger and rage). Anger and rage are normal feelings and can be used for beneficial purposes such as obtaining your end goal.[i]

Yeah Palpy but at what cost Anakin's rage and anger destroyed his wife ,his life, his friendship and a solid bond with his children, if you ask me its not worth it.

[i] The Sith care primarily about themselves-- and so they should. This is exactly what nature is about-- survival of the fittest and self preservation. Darwinism is evident everywhere in nature-- even human nature.

Yeah selfishness, Palps cared only for himself and the SIth ruling the galaxy for 10000 years that he forgot about the bond between
Luke . It got his butt chunked down a reactor shaft .

But for some reason the Jedi place restrictions on normal behavior such as thinking of a member of the opposite sex in a normal manner-- "Be mindful of your thoughts, Anakin. They betray you (Obi-Wan to Anakin in Ep II when Anakin comments about Padme being intoxicating to him). The Jedi forbid love. That's rediculous.

Well Palpy his thoughts did betray him his love for Padme became obssessive in ROTS to the point he nearly choked the life out of her. Also you might want to find out what the SITH forbid because i know you dont think they allow love.

[QUOTE=3733406]Originally posted by palpy_666
When I say that the Sith are loyal, I mean that they are loyal to their own quest for power and personal fulfillment, not loyal to eachother. Personal fulfillment brings personal happiness in the end. And truly, I have to say, personal happiness is a characteristic of all conscious beings. Again, this is science.

Well did it bring Vader personal fulfillment when he killed his wife or destroyed her. Did it bring him personal fulfillment to look upon his two children that he never got a chance to truly bond with because he was so busy helping Palps achieve his goal. Personal fulfillment means more than just power.

" Go my son......leave me"-Vader
"Youre coming with me, Ive got to save you."-Luke
"You already have." Vader

The Sith are about using the Force for personal gain. The Sith allow anything which brings the Dark Side user happiness and pleasure for himself. And so, if a Sith wants love and that will make him happy, then he can have love. Whereas a Jedi can have nothing to do with love.

Palpatine didn't want Padme out of the picture or else he would've told Anakin in ep III that. And by the way, Palpatine said "I wonder if your feelings are clear..." concerning wether or not Vader actually felt Luke on board the stolen Imperial Shuttle headed for Endor. He didn't question him about his bond with Luke.

[QUOTE=3733475]Originally posted by palpy_666
The Sith are about using the Force for personal gain. The Sith allow anything which brings the Dark Side user happiness and pleasure for himself. And so, if a Sith wants love and that will make him happy, then he can have love. Whereas a Jedi can have nothing to do with love.

Okay are we talking about the same SITH that you just said focused on anger, and rage and by the way HATE. Also Palps is not concerned with love, he is a SITH and SITH dont have attachments. If that is the case he wouldve had a wife but he doesnt so what is that saying.

Palpatine didn't want Padme out of the picture or else he would've told Anakin in ep III that.

Wherever did you get that notion he does not want Padme out of the picture. He has tried on many occassions to kill Padme and EPI- II prove that point. It will only come to fruition in EPIII when his apprentice Anakin Skywalker-Darth Vader finally makes it a reality.

And by the way, Palpatine sayd "I wonder if your feelings are clear..." concerning wether or not Vader actually felt Luke on board the stolen Imperial Shuttle headed for Endor. He didn't question him about his bond with Luke.

Uh yeah just like Kenobi said in AOTc "Dont let your personal feelings get in the way." The same thing is being applied to Vader when Sidious starts questioning his loyalty. Its either Luke or Sidious wont be both.

Jedimasterluke,

LOL, the part about Palpatine not having a wife is rediculous. Just because he doesn't have one doesn't mean he CAN'T have one! And by the way, the Sith are all about having attachments. I don't know where you're coming from... Are we watching the same Star Wars movies? The Jedi are against having attachments but the Sith are not which is why the Sith Order seems so appealing to Anakin in Ep III... he will be able to hang on to his attachment-- his wife by joining the Sith, he believes. And Palpatine owning and ruling the entire galaxy-- wow, that sure doesn't sound like attachment to me (note: that was sarcasm).

BTW, Palpatine is using Anakin's love for Padme in order to turn him to the Dark Side. If Padme was gone, with what would Palpatine use to lure Anakin in? And so, he doesn't want her dead, thank you.

First of all i have to say that slefishness has to do with nature is nonsense. Maybe when concerning the frailty of man that applies but when you look at most animals they will sacrafice themselves for their offspring and also if you look at certain insects such as bees, they will do whatever is in the best interest of the hive.
Sure a woman may hate having her kids run her life and then stab them to death like what i read in the news latley, but thats not darwinism, thats not the noble act of selfishness in nature, thats the human spirit having someone do something evil, plain and simple
As this applies to star wars the sith use that evil side to, yes, get done what they want done, but at what cost? Like Jedi Master Luke has said, Anikin basically loses everything, he becomes a cripple and has to use a breathing device, he loses his wife and kids, and loses his best friend, because of his choices. Anikin is not a "happy person".

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
First of all i have to say that slefishness has to do with nature is nonsense. Maybe when concerning the frailty of man that applies but when you look at most animals they will sacrafice themselves for their offspring and also if you look at certain insects such as bees, they will do whatever is in the best interest of the hive.
Sure a woman may hate having her kids run her life and then stab them to death like what i read in the news latley, but thats not darwinism, thats not the noble act of selfishness in nature, thats the human spirit having someone do something evil, plain and simple
As this applies to star wars the sith use that evil side to, yes, get done what they want done, but at what cost? Like Jedi Master Luke has said, Anikin basically loses everything, he becomes a cripple and has to use a breathing device, he loses his wife and kids, and loses his best friend, because of his choices. Anikin is not a "happy person".

And you think Anakin would've been able to keep his wife and kids had he NOT turned to the Dark Side? I don't think so! The Jedi Council wouldn't have it and they would've expelled Anakin. Hmm.. that sure wouldn't make him happy. And by the way, the Sith aren't out of control monsters as some of you think. They don't walk up to someone and kill them for no reason. There's always a reason. When it comes to the Empire killing the Rebel's... the rebels deserved it. They were comitting treason against the government.

BTW... When people or creatures do something nice for someone else, that usually makes them feel good that they did something nice. The reason they do something nice is so that they will feel good that they did so-- hence selfishness. Altruism is just long term selfishness. That's nature.

Thats just silly sorry. Heres what Webster has to say about selfishness
"Concerned excessivley or exclusivley with oneself: seeking or concentrating on ones own advantage , pleasure or well being without regard to others. arising from concern with ones own welfare or advantage in disregard to others"
This means if you give a homeless man money without thinking of yourself but only thinking how great it will be to him he has a warm meal and its not concern to you that you will not enjoy the money and you expect nothing in return you are being unselfish. When a bee stings something that is getting near the hive after its stinger is ripped away it will die, it does not matter to the bee even though its well being is in jeopordy, its only motivation is the hive, not to "feel good" about itself. Its called sacraficing for the betterment of the whole, and sacrafice by nature is opposed to selfishness.
Committing treason against the government??? What about Palpatine? Was he citizen of the week when he was overthrowing the republic? So by your arguemnt right there Palpatine should be killed.
I enevr said the sith are "monsters" i think Lucas did good in making some grey area, like for instance Vader. Vader always had love for his son and in the end it won over the grip the emp had over him and he sacraficed himself so luke could live 😄

To sum it all up:

Jedi = Good

Sith = Evil

Palpy_666 = Young Hitler

Originally posted by Vanquish
To sum it all up:

Jedi = Good

Sith = Evil

Palpy_666 = Young Hitler

I resent that. I have made no personal attacks against anyone on these boards and yet I promote the Sith.

You promote the Jedi and their seeming goodness and yet you verbally assault me. This is actually a very good example of the hypocricy of the "good guys" and I am quite thankfull that you posted what you have.

Originally posted by palpy_666
It is my honest opinion, when Episode III comes out, a lot of us will begin to question the Jedi and their supposed monopoly on what is "right" and "wrong". I believe as we see Palpatine explain the Sith and their goals to Anakin that we will slightly begin to gain sympathy for old Palps and the Sith Order.

I believe Palpatine has a genuine case against the Jedi from what I've read in the graphic novel. Believe it or not, I've always found the Dark Side misunderstood and I've always sided with it.

What do you all think?

I do not find the dark side misunderstanding because I always like the villens in movies.THey are alot more interesting then the good guys are.JM 🙂

Originally posted by Vanquish
To sum it all up:

Jedi = Good

Sith = Evil

Palpy_666 = Young Hitler

Please do not make assumptions of KMC members. Comparing someone to Hitler is a really terrible thing to do.

Also let me add that the empire is fiction and Hitler is real.JM

Originally posted by Vanquish
To sum it all up:

Jedi = Good

Sith = Evil

Palpy_666 = Young Hitler

I think this was meant to be teasing and not serios. And to be honest when you went off about darwinism the entite time Adolf Hitler came to mind to me as well though i am not calling you a "young hitler".

Interesting how I was really enjoying this debate yesterday with Ush...and in two pages I have zero interest whatsoever...

Ultimately I was referring to religious views of arrogance and pride as fatal flaws that lead to downfall and destruction. They are weakest parts of being "Good" which is why the Jedi are not "pure good."

I should correct and say that being arrogant is equal to being evil, but it is just as dangerous because it leaves you vulnerable, stagnant, complacent, etc...which taken in a spiritual sense is as good as dead. So strike "evil" in my previous statement and replace with "extremely dangerous to self and others"....like scripture, Pride cometh before the fall...and for the unpure Jedi...it most certainly did.

This story isn't only about Good and Evil, it is a cautionary tale on the weakness of the Good...and a warning against its weakness.

Also, I reiterate...in order to fully portray good an evil...Lucas makes quite a lot of use in the grey area to show how easy it is for good to fall.

Oh please, would all of you chill the f... out. It was meant as a joke obviously. And for real, you are a clear dictatorship supporter, so you really have to learn to take a joke if you have such radical views on things. Take a few days off from posting in this thread, and come back and read it again. Read all the comments you have made in this thread, and tell me honestly, half that stuff was for show only right? There is no way in hell you actually believe all that garbage about gaining peace and justice through slaughtering millions and millions of people is in any way justified. You basically said flat out, it's ok to kill anyone and everything that is in conflict with your views. Either you are absolutely insane, or you are just fuking around. Either way, my little joke was not only justified, but it kind of hit a little close to home I believe for ya didn't it.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
Interesting how I was really enjoying this debate yesterday with Ush...and in two pages I have zero interest whatsoever...

Ultimately I was referring to religious views of arrogance and pride as fatal flaws that lead to downfall and destruction. They are weakest parts of being "Good" which is why the Jedi are not "pure good."

I should correct and say that being arrogant is equal to being evil, but it is just as dangerous because it leaves you vulnerable, stagnant, complacent, etc...which taken in a spiritual sense is as good as dead. So strike "evil" in my previous statement and replace with "extremely dangerous to self and others"....like scripture, Pride cometh before the fall...and for the unpure Jedi...it most certainly did.

This story isn't only about Good and Evil, it is a cautionary tale on the weakness of the Good...and a warning against its weakness.

Also, I reiterate...in order to fully portray good an evil...Lucas makes quite a lot of use in the grey area to show how easy it is for good to fall.

I agree with a majority of what you said except the part where you said the movie is a warning against the weakness of good.
The movie showed that the Good won when it was demonstrated in full by Luke who had hope and love for his father even when he didn't deserve it and layed down his weapon refusing to kill him even at the risk of what the emp did to him afterwards. This action of love converted Darth Vader and he returned once again to the light side. This movie shows that the power of good can dfeat the power of evil...AS LONG AS YOU USE THE POWER OF GOOD. I don't especially see allot of the actions of "the good guys" to be very good in the new trilogy, and thus, in my opinion, is one reason why they lost. Good is very powerfull I think the movies indicate but you must not lose sight of the good or you may fail.

Originally posted by palpy_666
True, BUT you must look at things from the Sith's perspective. To them, the Jedi Order is evil. I believe Palpatine genuinley wants to bring peace and justice to the galaxy in his own way, by forming it into a Monarchy. In a way, this is a good idea seeing that many democracies in our world have done us no justice at all. Anyways, in order for Palpatine to peacefully rule without any attempts at his life or threats of the destruction of his Empire, the Jedi MUST be eliminated. The Jedi would never understand the Sith's point of view. To them, the Sith are the enemy and their prime goal is to eliminate the Sith. That is why I believe Order 66 is vastly justified.

And this is what Anikan wanted too. "The senators should come together and decide what is best." "Well, that's exactly what we do. It's just that not all people agree." (padme) "They should be made to" "who's gonna make them, you?" "no, but someone" bla bla bla...

you get the point, this helped anikan along the path the dark side.

and i agree, you all make a good point, plus that lighting is so cool to.