Siding with the Sith

No...he embodies the grey between as he moves toward white.

Grey in ANH...except the very, very END. Grey in Empire because he's still planning to leave: "Then you're as good as gone"...silence.

Finally White in Jedi.

Landos character works in a similiar fashion in his transition throughout empire.

So where do the dark Jedi fit in if everything is black and white?

The biggest point is that if the Jedi are WHITE and clearly GOOD...

Why does Lucas use ARROGANCE as a flaw?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
So where do the dark Jedi fit in if everything is as black and white?

Now that is f*cking funny.

Because arrogance is a flaw.

Yeah...that's my point.

but hang on, that makes jedi *the epitome of good* not jedi, because there flawed.........so what are they? Crazy dudes with laser swords and alot of time on there hands? IM SO CONFUSED

Oh I dont buy for a minute that the Jedi are ALL pure......some clearly are not.

For the best example of Morale Greyness in starwars! The Kaminoans! How the hell do u divide them into black or white?

All I have been trying to say is that pure GOOD has its flaw.

Everyone else has been trying to say GOOD is PURE GOOD and GOOD is NOT flawed.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Oh I dont buy for a minute that the Jedi are ALL pure......some clearly are not.

Ush has been trying to educate us that GL intended that the JEDI are PURE MORAL WHITENESS and the complete embodiment of GOOD as simple and basic as can be.

Whitey the Wookiee and myself have been convinced otherwise....and its great to see someone agree.

I dont think Windu is all sweetness and light, in fact I think he's partly responsible for the events of EP3.

Thanks...

But it appears that debating has taken a sabatical since Ush isn't posting in here anymore...

Ah well....perhaps I'm off...

I'll hold the fort *friendly punches* 😄

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I dont think Windu is all sweetness and light, in fact I think he's partly responsible for the events of EP3.

Interesting take...

I've always wondered what would have happened if the council embraced Anakin and trained him in the first place. It will be interesting to see the last stand of Master Windu....

I don't agree with Ush when he extends the concept of Good and evil to non Jedi's and non siths. In my opinion, the word Jedi is in George Lucas's story, synonomous with Good. And the same applies with the word Sith. Sith is the embodyment of Evil. That is clear in the way he tells the story. As for characters like Han, Lando, the Kamino's, and bodies like the senate, that is up for interpretation. They are not Jedi or Sith, and therefore don't fall in the blanket of pure good and pure evil.

It is no different then my own beliefs in Buddhism. I have never, and will never question the notion that all monks and masters are purely good. Are they flawless individuals? No. Have they made mistakes? Certainly. Are they purely good individuals? Absolutely.

Some monks and masters lose their way, or fall from the religion, and therefore do not embody pure goodness anymore. Much like Jedi who fall to dark Jedi or Siths. They used to be purely good, but after they fell from the order, they fail to be purely good anymore. However, they used to be.

All Jedi's are Good, and All siths are evil.

And Jedi are flawed with arrogance which is just as dangerous as being evil.

How is a little arrogance as dangerous as blood thirsty, compasionless Sith who are capable of destroying ENTIRE worlds in 1 second even remotely comparable?

I think you have to leave the dramatic flare out of the debate if you want a solid point of view. Yes arrogance is a flaw, but as I said, one doesn't have to be flawless to be good. You guys are all missing the central point.

GL says in his story that Jedi's are good. Just because you are purely good, doesn't imply that you don't have character flaws, and it certainly doesn't imply that you are never wrong. The jedi have some minor flaws, and have made a few mistakes, but that doesn't change the fact that they are the embodyment of good as this story is being told.

I agree Vanquish. What I dont agree with is the black and whiteness of the issue. I mean I understand that is the way George wrote it, but that's rarely the way people are.