Silver Surfer vs Swamp Thing

well who did Swamp Thing fight?? did he fight The Source (God) or The Presence (the Holy Spirit), this is how i would view how dc and vertigo make their comics, The Source and THe Presence are joined together and aspects of each other. if we follow the bible like DC does then it DOES seem the Source must be God and The Presence must be The Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is actually a being that is separate from God. the Holy Spirit is the hope and trys to transforms us into what God wants us to be and so that we can have eternal life with him. when Satan(The Great Evil Beast) was going up to Heaven to ask God why he was created and what purpose he had in Gods Universe, The Presence came down and was trying to destroy The Great Beast, they both could not destroy each other because they both figured out then and their what purpose both of them had in Gods Universe, it was to balance each other out so that everyone had a fair choice and God(Yahweh/Jehovah) would really know who deserves to spend forever with him. also i read somewhere that God created plant life to challenge himself somehow.

In Spectre #23 one of Hal Jordans aspects tells Sinestro "The PRESENCE" has given them the power to lead all souls out of darkness. It does seem to me The Presence = The Holy Spirit, The Source = God. they are aspects of each other so when they say God they could be talking about The Presence or just The Source, seeing that The Presence IS the DC creator then i would prob say they are talking about him but not sure.

I would probably go with ST.

Here are some of the feats of Swamp Thing:

- He has complete control over all forms of plants(not just on Earth)

- Can travel effortlessly through the Green, and with a bit of an effort can travel to Heaven and Hell and even back in TIME.

- Has traveled to Hell twice, and both those instances he had to battle hordes and hordes of Demons there.

- Can create plant-replicas of people he knows.

- Once caused plants and trees to grow on Gotham, covering the entire city with it. And no one was able to stop him, not even Batman. So Gotham and its heroes had no choice but to give ST what he wants.

- And one of his greatest feats was when he absorbed all the power of the Elemental Parliaments(which means not just the Parliament of Trees, but also Stone, Water, Air, and Fire) and with it, he sought to destroy Earth and recreate it without any animal life. Was he defeated? Guess what, No. He only stop because he was convinced that what he's doing was wrong.

So yeah, I still stand by what I said, this isnt curbstomp in favor of SS. IMO, this is a good battle.

But to be fair, I also want to see where Swamp Thing actually held his own against the Presence. Coz as far as Im concerned, ST wont last a second against him

Prehistory (exact era indeterminate)

Alternate Timeline: In the beginning, before there are swamps or things, there exists a Swamp Thing. Born of the chemical soup excited by heat and magma into the first stirrings of life, the Swamp Thing lives when life is new, watches when there are no eyes and interacts when there are no willing actions, no sentient spark. It lives and it watches and it swims and sings among the single-celled beings. And it remembers every moment. When single cells join to form communal beings, it is there, a community in and of itself. It contours itself into their shapes so as to move among them undetected, acting and interacting but rarely acted upon. When multicellular beings began to self-replicate asexually, dividing and conquering, it is there, too, and when the more unusual forms begin to split into genders and join in more unusual ways to spawn more of their kind, Swamp Thing is there. As coral gives way to chitinous armor, as hydra makes way for jellyfish, as sponges spread beneath swarms of trilobite, Swamp Thing is there, swimming in their numbers, one of them and yet not. When the great sea scorpions seize and dismember prey, it is there, playing both the hunter and the hunted as it wishes. As notochords become spinal columns, as spineless jawless swimmers attach their suckered mouths for the first time to the oversized bony Superfishes that spread throughout all the waters, fresh and salt, Swamp Thing is there, too. When the first of their number raise its fleshy lobe-fins to the air and crawl upon the land, Swamp Thing follows—watching… waiting… remembering.

Swamp Thing Origins: Go With the Flow, Part 1―Water [unpublished]

NOTE: Steven R. Bissette pitched this story to editor Karen Berger in September 1998, broken up into four parts: Water, Land, Air and Fire (see below). Expanding on a sequence he conceived and penciled for issue #63, this was intended as a self-standing graphic album or a series of short series. Though Berger liked the pitch, it was never published and contradicts history later established. I present it here for posterity, in the paraphrased words of Bissette’s website, www.comicon.com/bissette/retailers.htm. As the author writes, “It tells of his life as an elemental, eternally manifesting itself among whatever dominant life form caught his interest, until finally there came a being which mastered the one element Swamp Thing could not.”

Alternate Timeline: On land, Swamp Thing metamorphs with the dominant lifeforms from the lungfish to the amphibians, the first reptiles, and on into the age of dinosaurs. The high point of this sequence is the interaction between the saurian incarnation of Swamp Thing and some of the most impressive of the dinosaurs. A monstrous forest fire ravages the area he inhabits, and he is intrigued by the survival of the flying creatures. Thus, the progression of flying forms―from flies to dragonflies on through to the pterosaurs and birds―attracts Swamp Thing.

Swamp Thing Origins: Go With the Flow, Part 2―Land [unpublished]

Alternate Timeline: Swamp Thing embraces and emulates the freedoms of airborne creatures. This sequence is related as a food-chain of sorts, with Swamp Thing embodying a series of flying forms as he moves up the foodchain, allowing his immediate form (say, a dragonfly) to be swallowed by a bird-like creature, allowing him to move among the feeding creature’s tissues, abandon that creature and replicate it with his own plant tissues. This continues until he witnesses the nest of a species he is imitating being raided by early man. Intrigued, Swamp Thing watches its behavior and follows its evolution until fleeing his first encounter with fire being wielded as a weapon rather than as a force of nature.

Swamp Thing Origins: Go With the Flow, Part 3―Air [unpublished]

Alternate Timeline: Swamp Thing establishes humanoid form, though he still carries the memories of all his former incarnations. Seeing how the new beings, the humans, must re-invent themselves with every generation, Swamp Thing consciously decides to abandon the eternal consciousness of the elemental he has been. He will remember no more, embrace the great adventure of becoming mortal―an individual rather than a collective consciousness. Fire, the one element he can neither withstand nor control, shall be the vehicle of his rebirth, again and again, through the ages.

Swamp Thing Origins: Go With the Flow, Part 4―Fire [unpublished]

NOTE: It should be noted that in the “real” timeline, the Swamp Thing does ultimately gain control over the element of fire.

c. 5,000,000,000 B.C.

Located within the star Sol, the Parliament of Flames attains sentience and becomes the nuclear mother of all planets in the Sol System.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #170: “Trial By Fire, Part 5—Apocalypse Now”

NOTE: This time-placement is based on when science places the ignition of the Sun; as such, it is open to interpretation.

Sol’s planets, in time, will each develop planetary awareness and evolve, taking their respective place in the group consciousness known as the Parliament of Worlds.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #171: “Trial By Fire—The End”

With Earth still a world of molten lava and the formation of the planet’s Parliaments still a distant concept, a demonic race known as the Old Ones walk the planet as its only masters. Eventually, their reign on Earth comes to an end, but not their desire for revenge.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #114: “Pirate’s Alley”

He is very old, and he could very well find some way to beat Surfer.

c. 4,500,000,000 B.C.

A race of advanced beings known as the Forest Lords and their master, Sila, seed planets throughout the universe with the potential for life (green, blue, red and violet). On some worlds, life never takes hold, but on three planets in the Sol System (Earth, Jupiter and a fifth planet, now perished), life thrives. On Earth, the plant kingdom form a conscious realm called the Green, while on the fifth planet, evolution bases itself on fungi and molds.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #104: “The Quest for the Elementals I—Matango”

NOTE: Issue #168 says the Parliament of Trees first attained sentience 4.5 billion years ago. Since we know that the Parliament was sentient from its very inception (the first member, Yggdrasil, was born sentient), we can place these events in that era. It should be noted that this negates scientific evidence that land plants appeared on Earth 435 million years ago; however, since a specific figure is given, that supercedes scientific theory.

In response to the ravages of nature, Earth calls forth an elemental, an Erl-King, as its spirit protector.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #47: “An American Gothic—The Parliament of Trees”

Thrown back in time by the Claw of Aelkhünd, an earth elemental from the future known as Swamp Thing (once the scientist Alec Holland) becomes this first spirit protector. As the Parliament of Trees does not yet exist to counsel him, he grows a vast brain to consider his options in creating them. He realizes he must guide Earth's infant biosphere, for his destiny is to spawn his own Erl-King lineage.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #89: “Founding Fathers”

The Earth spirit She-Who-is-the-World, desiring shepherds to watch over her Earthen form, permits the creation of the Erl-King Yggdrasil, knowing it will lead to the formation of the Parliament of Trees.

Black Orchid #9: “The Murmuring of Mists, the Whispering of Flowers”

NOTE: In Norse mythology, Yggdrasil ("The Terrible One's Horse", also called “the World Tree”) is a giant ash tree that links and shelters all the worlds.

Using a seed a Neanderthal named Rheelai will give him in 40,000 B.C., Alec forms Yggdrasil in a spot that will some day be called the Garden of Eden. This elemental, shaped like a DNA strand, takes its name from Alec's knowledge of Norse mythology. Yggdrasil is the first elemental in a long line that will eventually be known as the Parliament of Trees.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #89: “Founding Fathers”

In spawning the Parliament of Trees, Alec passes down his memories to Yggdrasil, who in turn will pass them down to the other Founders who follow him.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #104: “The Quest for the Elementals I—Matango”

After creating Yggdrasil, Alec realizes why the amber Claw of Aelkhünd has been tossing him ever backward through time: it is a gateway to the Tree of Life, and his key to going home. Alas, a volcanic eruption disturbs Alec's meditations, threatening to destroy him before he can make the leap.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #89: “Founding Fathers”

The volcano's lava dissolves Alec’s body, trapping him in amber crystal as it hardens. Unable to escape, he spends the next half-billion years encased in crystal, fading in and out of consciousness as he relives the stops of his journey back through space-time, but this time in proper chronological order: first billions of years in the past, then a Neanderthal village in 40,000 B.C., and on to Jerusalem in 33 A.D., sixth century Camelot, 1780 and 1872 in the Old West, World Wars I and II, and finally 1989, when John Constantine will free him from his crystal prison.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #90: “Journeys”

1945 A.D.

Jim Corrigan (the Spectre) visits a pregnant Alice Holland in her Stamford, Connecticut home, warning that her unborn son will become a monster and, fifty years hence, rise up to destroy the world. He urges her to terminate the pregnancy or else millions will die and “an older power” will be the agent of her son's doom. Though shaken, she ignores his advice and gives birth to a son, Alec.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #147: “Amsterdamnation”

Over dinner, Sargon tells Grace how he "borrowed" his new body from a frail old man and will return it when he's done. She thinks the idea a sick one, but he says not to condemn him, for his actions are not evil―he has returned to save man from eternal oblivion. He tells of his theft in the 1940s of the apple Adam gave to Eve, stolen from the Vatican's vaults and buried for safe-keeping here in the Black Forest. After his death years later, he found himself trapped between the physical and spiritual planes, huddled in the darkness with others who'd failed to reach the Overmind―not demons, just ordinary souls bound to the Earth by ignorance. Moved by their plight, Sargon vowed one day to set them free. Searching through the darkness, he found a way back to the world of the living by inhabiting the body of a coma victim named Koestler. Now that the apple has spawned the Bleeding Tree, or Devil's Oak, he plans to climb until he reaches true enlightment as the new Messiah and forces open the gates of Paradise. Realizing her uncle has gone mad, Grace runs for the door, but he projects himself outside, where an army of living followers await under his magical control. Sbe must be his Prometheus, he says, forever shackled to the mortal plane to carry the burden for all mankind. Though fearful, she accepts the offer, hoping this sacrifice will give her life some meaning. Nearby, Alec finds the dying truck driver, covered in blood and muttering about endangered children. Despite his own problems, Alec sets out to save them. In Peru, Blake and the Word play a hand of poker. As the game progresses, Nelson Strong transforms into the Earth Thing. At that moment, Alec arrives and demands Sargon release the souls, but Sargon hits him with a wall of flame that sends him streaming through the air. Though the two met before Sargon's death, the Sorcerer remembers neither Alec nor his own death. Gathering hundreds of followers, Sargon begins the Illumination ceremony, guiding them to slit their own throats and those of their children. As blood pours into the tree, the dead begin to claw their way out of Hell. Back in Peru, el Señor Blake loses his first game of poker; he must win one game in three to stay the Word's hand, and now he has only two chances left.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #149: “The Roots of All Evil”

The Traveler visits Stonehenge, England, a portal for communicating with the Parliament of Stones. He demands they present their champion, and seeing what Nelson Strong has become, he wonders if Alec can defeat him. In Germany, Sargon gloats as Heaven's gates admit Hell's damned. These new angels, his "prodigal sons," will tear down Heaven and rebuild it anew. As the only person he loves, Grace must suffer as mankind's martyr, for with no Hell there can be no Heaven. Running for help, Grace finds Alec's burnt form and begs for help. Risking the Parliament's wrath, he regenerates and subdues Sargon. The ground opens and a being of stone twice Alec's size emerges. He is Earth Thing, formerly Nelson Strong, and he has come to destroy Alec. Strong spews magma over him, but still he survives. The Parliament increases Strong's bulk until he is many stories tall, and he crushes Alec to pulp. Blake loses his final two hands of poker to the Word, who says to accept what Destiny has written. Unwilling to lose, Blake bids the Word to look inside his mind. Stunned by what he sees, the Word backs down, sparing Alec but promising to return in two years to judge the outcome. Alec's spirit latches onto the rhizosphere for salvation. Since the space between them is teeming with fungi and bacteria, he secretes nutrients to facilitate micro-organism growth, accelerating his metabolic rate and creating an acid strong enough to dissolve Strong to a harmless gas. Grace condemns Sargon for how he treated her. Seeing the doll he made for her sixth birthday, he is overwrought with guilt and vanishes. Souls climbing the tree attack, but Alec absorbs their toxins to close Heaven's gates. As the souls fall back to Hell, his power turns the winter weather to summer. He hugs Grace, then is tugged into the realm known as the Melt, regenerating on a snowy tundra, his body a mixture of plant and stone. The Traveler congrulates him for passing the final level of the earth challenge; none of his kind have come this far. For destroying Strong, Alec gains his power. A wall of rocky faces, the Parliament of Stones, rises from the ground. Having reunited the two Parliaments of the Earth after a billion years, he has earned the gratitude of both the Stones and the Trees. They grant him a period of rest before the next trial begins―other Parliaments exist, and the next to test him will be the Parliament of Waves. Grace returns to Gotham and Paul, but seeing him drooling in his sleep, she leaves him and heads out into the world, giving her doll to a homeless woman named Maggie to help her in times of trouble. Alec travels via the Green, glad to feel its soothing embrace. Returning to the Louisiana bayou, he misses Abby and Tefé but is comforted that they are being cared for. The Traveler returns to Peru to tell Roberto and Blake of Alec's victory. He has secured Sargon's Ruby of Life for the impending birth of the Star-Child. As they toast their success over bottles of Furstenburg wine, Sargon lies shackled to the Earth, having sacrificed his search for the spiritual and intellectual illumination of the Over-Mind by taking Grace's place as mankind's martyr. At last he knows how it is to love someone enough to give up everything... at last he has attained his illumination.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #150: “The Illumination”

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #157: “River Run, Chapter Six—Sink or Swim”

The final chapter (a continuation of chapter six) opens with an argument between the captain of a Naval vessel and his absent-minded cook, Patrick, which halts when a child picks up the boat, confused to find his toy filled with tiny people. In a nearby hospital, two med-techs, Jaffa and Paul, debate the merits of rap music while preparing Anna’s poisoned body for autopsy. Meanwhile, Alec journeys to the bottom of the Marianas Trench, a thousand miles from the coast of Japan in the heart of the Philippine Sea, where the Parliament of Waves resides. Since Anna’s book states only the Parliament of Waves can set her soul to rest, Alec seeks their help. He realizes the Parliament has used Anna to teach him the importance of purification, fluidity and adaptability. Eight miles down, he finds her waiting, anxious to enter the Parliament’s gateway. The pressure proves too much for him, causing his body to implode, so he builds a body from local flora and shells able to withstand such pressure. This is a relief to Anna, for should Alec fail in his trials, it would take a million years for another elemental to be ready to try again. Alec meets the Parliament of Waves, a dazzling line of fountains sprouting from jellyfish. They reveal that Anna is a stillborn wave elemental, that Alec’s real purpose is to take her place so she can rest in peace. Having realized she was the one they were waiting for, they inspired her mind to write about elementals, waited until she had a happy life and then washed it away, leaving her the fake memory of having drowned herself. Unfortunately, they erred in pushing her to suicide before she’d written the last page of her book, condemning her to existence as a wandering ghost. She begs him to take her place, not wanting the responsibility being an elemental entails. He accepts, and Anna’s spirit travels to Heaven to reunite with her sister. Granting him reign over all waters of the world, the Parliament reveals the existence of two more Parliaments―those of Vapors and Flames―whom they say he will reach in due course. The Parliaments were once as one, they tell him, ruled by a single intelligence, and it is his role to unite them. Chillingly, they tell him humanity has no part in their plans. Back in Louisiana, Jules visits his tree-father to bring jam from his Aunt Janine. When Alec approaches, Jules accuses him of planning to kill everything. Despite Alec’s confusion, the boy runs in fear.

Swamp Thing (Series 2) #158: “River Run, Chapter Seven—The Parliament of Waves”

So Swamp Thing is the first living sentient creature of Earth, and composed of primordial swamp gasses and mud. And he is also an elemental, his element just happens to be plants (The Green). Then he gains Rock, Water, Wind, and Fire Elemental powers.

That's supposed to be comparable to the Power Cosmic? Universal Energy? He was crushed into pulp by Earth Thing and had to reform and use acid on him to win. Corrosives don't work on Surfer. And he's been torched before. Even in his composite Elemental form he still consists of things Surfer can easily manipulate himself. He's basically Ego (or at least comparable power wise, but without all the religious connotations).

I'll say this: DC is on some other shit with this storyline. Very interesting concept. Very creative. It has a few holes, but it seems really interesting. I'll have to pick up the comics.

Oh, so this so called "Universal Energy" can destroy and recreate a planet as well, right?

So, just because someone's power is "universal", means he cant be beaten by any force on Earth, right?

So, when Surfer tries to manipulate Swamp Thing's power, Swamp Thing will just stand there and do nothing about it. Is that what your trying to say?

And who the hell is "Earth-Thing"?

SS is indestructable im sure thats why He's been beaten by Thor, Thanos, Dr Doom once kicked His ass and thats pretty lame too since Dr Doom has only a few weapons but yeah i guess having the power cosmic is all that matters NOT. Swamp Thing probably can creat planets but not be beaten by anyone? Well the way you guys talk about SS you guys seem to think He cant be beaten by anyone either to bad He is not very good at showing it.

Originally posted by Synchro
Oh, so this so called "Universal Energy" can destroy and recreate a planet as well, right?

So, just because someone's power is "universal", means he cant be beaten by any force on Earth, right?

So, when Surfer tries to manipulate Swamp Thing's power, Swamp Thing will just stand there and do nothing about it. Is that what your trying to say?

And who the hell is "Earth-Thing"?

By 'Universal Power', I don't mean because it's on a universal scale. I guess a better term is 'Unified'. The Power Cosmic gives the wielder access to all forms of power save extradimensional (magic). That's what I meant. Not that since Swamp Thing is based on Earth Elements and Surfer is based on Cosmic Elements he's more powerful. It's just that Swamp Thing's arsenal isn't as versatile as Surfer's.

He's the Parliament of Stones champion. Nelson Strong became Earth Thing, Swamp Thing's equivalent only made out of stone. He battled Strong as one of the trials for Swamp Thing.

The Parliaments were once as one, they tell him, ruled by a single intelligence, and it is his role to unite them

Swamp Thing is the one destined to unite all the Parliaments. Basically he had all their powers Ex: Stone, Plant, Wave, Vapors and Flame(Air, Water, Fire, steam, Green, Etc...)

Imagine Hydroman, Human Torch, Earth Lord(from earth defense force, granted powers by Seth), and Swamp Thing's powers only on a much larger scale.

With all these powers, he could initially stop the Surfer.

Yeah, but Earth Thing stomped Swamp Thing into pulp and his spirit reformed in some fungus and secreted acid which took Earth Thing out. And then Water/Wave Thing was a stillborn elemental and he gained the power by default. This reminds me of the Avatar: The Last Airbender Story line.

Swamp Thing basically has Captain Planet's powers, but written in a dramatic, religiously entrenched manor.

can Swampthing do anything beside controll plants? I mean Thor controlls lightning yet He is called a match for SS i mean sooooo how does lighting suddenly give you the power to beat SS just with a hammer and stuff cant Swampthing do even more?

It's a little more complicated than Thor just being a guy with a hammer.

Can Swamp Thing fly?

Can Thor make a new body for Himself out of a ciggerete?

All of you guys are forgetting that Flora and Fauna are defined very losely when it comes to ST. There are plant like cells in animals that ST has shown he can manipulate.

this swamp thing sounds lame... on a power level close to DCs God? what the hell...? 🙄 thats just a case of bad writing. authors must have been imbibing some plant life.

Only someone who's never read ST would say that. It just might be some of the Best stuff ever written in comics.

Yup, mercilous is right, read Swamp Thing and other Vertigo comics, and you'll see some of the best comics ever written.

Originally posted by illadelph12
By 'Universal Power', I don't mean because it's on a universal scale. I guess a better term is 'Unified'. The Power Cosmic gives the wielder access to all forms of power save extradimensional (magic). That's what I meant. Not that since Swamp Thing is based on Earth Elements and Surfer is based on Cosmic Elements he's more powerful. It's just that Swamp Thing's arsenal isn't as versatile as Surfer's.

Oh ok, sorry, my mistake. I have no problem if you really think Silver Surfer is more powerful than Swamp Thing though. Its just that you guys seem to put SS on an unbelievably higher totem pole that anyone put up against him(who are below Galactus, Thanos and such))are automatically a curbstomp. I mean the fact that Swampy actually has the ability to destroy and recreate a planet, can travel to Heaven and Hell everytime, etc., should tell us that he should be atleast around Silver Surfer's level.

And yes, the Power Cosmic allows the wielder to use all forms of power, but Swamp Thing has his share of versatility as well when he absorbed all the Elemental Parliaments. I mean aside from his original ability of controlling all known Plants in the universe, he can now use all forms of Fire, Land/Stone, Water, and Air, basically what Sentry said. He was called a "World Elemental" btw.

And about this Earth-Thing guy, did he "stomp" Swamp Thing when ST wasnt the World Elemental or during it?

It was before he had gained all the Elemental Powers. It was ST's trial at the Parliament of Stone to prove he was worthy of wielding Earth Thing's power. Earth Thing stomped Swamp Thing into pulp and then Swamp Thing's spirit reformed in some fungus and secreted acid which took Earth Thing out.

Now, with his unified Earth Element powers, he can control wind, stone, fire, water, and 'mist' (basically what happens when fire meets water, so basically clouds). As for the travelling to heaven and hell in DC, a lot of characters do that nowadays. Batman was in Hell and Supes fought his way passed the gates of heaven (or so I'm told). It's not really a power, it's just an occurence. Surfer's battled Mephisto in his dimension which is basically hell. It's not really a power.

How fast is Swamp Thing? Can he fly? If he's slow moving and only has these powers he may be in a bit of trouble. His fire powers can be absorbed, his stone and plant powers can be blasted away and molecularly rearranged, and wind and steam won't really effect Surfer.

This is looking like a draw on second assessment. I don't think Surfer could permanently put Swamp Thing down, especially with his passive character.

On the flip side, most of Swamp Thing's arsenal would have no effect on Surfer. His body is no longer in the organic form it was when he was Norrin Radd. Galactus completely altered his atomic structure and he's now sustained by the Power Cosmic. He's not actually made out of silver (the element), that's simply his color. I guess Swamp Thing could try to form a Planet around Surfer or something, but that wouldn't really put him down, just slow him down, he'd eventually free himself.

I really need to get some of these Swamp Thing comics. It seems pretty interesting. Does anyone know the issue where he fought God and was slapping him up but chose to stop and let him live? I have to see that wqith my own eyes. There might be some logical explanation behind it.

Originally posted by Mider
SS is indestructable im sure thats why He's been beaten by Thor, Thanos, Dr Doom once kicked His ass and thats pretty lame too since Dr Doom has only a few weapons but yeah i guess having the power cosmic is all that matters NOT. Swamp Thing probably can creat planets but not be beaten by anyone? Well the way you guys talk about SS you guys seem to think He cant be beaten by anyone either to bad He is not very good at showing it.

Silver Surfer "lost" to Thor because he was trying to help him...not hurt him. Thor had warrior madness and the infinity gem of power.

Thanos....is stronger than Silver Surfer.

Dr. Doom invited Silver Surfer to his castle as a guest and tricked him into getting near a machine that zapped his cosmic power straight out of him. There was no "fight" it was simply Dr. Doom outsmarting yet another opponent.....as always.

Swamp Thing "creating a planet" is something I've never seen, and I can assure you it would take him a significant amount of time to create one. Silver Surfer CAN blow up planets. He can vaporize everything in the atmosphere and he doesn't have internal organs for Swamp Thing to attack.

Does Swamp Thing have some sort of shield or forcefield that is impenetrable? You've mentioned the comic where SS goes against Dr. Doom, so you should have a relatively good idea about the Power Cosmic's manipulation abilities