Silver Surfer vs Swamp Thing

ok its like this ST is the pure manifestation of the 5 elements(usually it would be four but Vertigo has classified "the Green" as an element

so ST is to the Green What SS is to the power Cosmic. am i the only one who remembers that SS has molecular matter transmuation powers? when he just showed up on Earth bad guys shot at him and he changed ther bullets into flowers, what makes you think that he couldnt change the green into feces if he felt like it? or burn it off into the atmosphere.

no im not saying that it would be a cakewalk or anything but any thing ST throws at him he can transmute. the omega level ST usually stands about 60 feet tall, and thats from absorbing more green into him(of course he can , and have been shown grown bigger in size at his whim) so SS blasts the shit out of him he creates another self avatar, and he keeps on doing so until there simply is no more"green" left. well, i know he held his own against the presence, and im the one who ususally steers clear of invoking the "bad writing clause" but damn! if anyone can find it plausible that he could go up against the creator of all things well you need jesus.

i could understand if it was a SS vs galactus situation, where galactus is skyfather level then id say ok, but him going up against he almighty? gimme a break!

Obviously Swampthing has enough controll over His powers to creat plants on a cosmic scale such as the Tree with the universe utop it so why couldnt He maniupulate His powers in a way that would defeat SS.

What would he actually do to defeat Silver Surfer?

Everyone has heard multiple reasons why they think Silver Surfer could beat Swamp Thing....blow him up or absorb him

So what's Swamp Thing's tactic?

Regeneration... Super-strength... How does he beat Surfer again?

Originally posted by Mider
Obviously Swampthing has enough controll over His powers to creat plants on a cosmic scale such as the Tree with the universe utop it so why couldnt He maniupulate His powers in a way that would defeat SS.

Create plants on a cosmic scale?! LMMFAO 😆

How does he win this fight again?

Man you guys are underrating the Silver Surfer.

For the record, The Presence sucks.

Originally posted by illadelph12
It was before he had gained all the Elemental Powers. It was ST's trial at the Parliament of Stone to prove he was worthy of wielding Earth Thing's power. Earth Thing stomped Swamp Thing into pulp and then Swamp Thing's spirit reformed in some fungus and secreted acid which took Earth Thing out.

Ah, thanks.

And yes, he can fly. When Swamp Thing appeared to the planet Blue Heaven, he used an alien vegetation to form a new body there. He also made plant-replicas of people he knew on Earth for companionship, but eventually he found it unecessary and destroyed all his creations and left that planet. He flew somewhere else in the universe to grow a new plant body.

Originally posted by Linkalicious Swamp Thing "creating a planet" is something I've never seen, and I can assure you it would take him a significant amount of time to create one. Silver Surfer CAN blow up planets. He can vaporize everything in the atmosphere and he doesn't have internal organs for Swamp Thing to attack.

You didnt see him create a planet because he didnt do it. He couldve done it, it was said many times that he could. The only problem that he didnt recreate(and even destroy) Earth was because Constantine and the other heroes reasoned with him. Refer to Swamp Thing v2 #162-171, it explains there.

And whether or not it would take time for him to create a planet does NOT matter, just the fact that he CAN create a planet should be considered especially in this battle.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
What would he actually do to defeat Silver Surfer?

Everyone has heard multiple reasons why they think Silver Surfer could beat Swamp Thing....blow him up or absorb him

So its that straight isnt it? Just blow him up and BAM! ST's dead. Just absorb him and BAM! ST' dead. Its that simple, isnt it?

Again, its not like Swamp Thing would just stand there and let SS blow him up or absorb him and do nothing about it. Thats stupid. Of course Swamp Thing would move constantly to try to avoid SS from absorbing him or blowing him up.

SS could manipulate his powers, but guess what? Swamp Thing wouldnt just throw one plant after another to SS or one fire ability after another, etc. Swamp Thing would throw a combination of Fire, Plant, Water, etc. to SS. Surely SS cant manipulate or absorb all of it at the same time, can he? As Ive stated before, Swamp Thing's control over plants arent just on Earth, he can exert control over ALL forms of Plants in the known UNIVERSE(he demonstarted it when he was in the planet Blue Heaven). Now add the powers of all forms of Fire, Water, Air, Stone, etc.

For all we know, he can summon a plant who can also absorb energy, or something.

Dont forget that he also has his regenartion ability. Not just for himself, but also for the plants he controls, so even if SS can light the plants all up, as long as Swamp Things isnt destroyed, it will just regrow.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Man you guys are underrating the Silver Surfer.

Nope, I strongly disagree. In all honesty, I think its the other way around.

Swamp Thing's tough. Plain and simple. This is no cake walk for Surfer. Surfer would probably be confused to as what he was actually fighting.

Surfer has gone to the core of the earth and survived. He takes the cold of deepspace.

What is ST going to do to hurt SS? As far as I've seen he doesn't have any psionic attacks, or magical ability, just elemental manipulation. For the record, it takes some SERIOUS elemental power, like, ridiculous amounts, to do anything to the surfer.

ST can create planets, and SS can destroy planets. He's created forcefields that held off dozens of nukes at one time, taken the blasts and gotten back up. ST is powerful, but its like giving the strongest man in the world a sledgehammer and telling him to destroy a bar of adamantium. He'd wreck plenty of people way above his own class, but he just don't got what it takes to do any damage to the bar.

Correction. ST can create AND destroy planets, while SS can only destroy planets. So yeah, ST has enough elemental power to do damage to SS.

And Silver Surfer held off Nukes? Well, ST has held off every superhero, mystics and villains on the planet(JLA, John Constantine, Phantom Stranger, Lex Luthor, Dr. Fate etc.) and as far as Im concerned, heroes/villains/mystics>nukes.

He even held off The Presence. Whoever writes him is an idiot.

Why are we assuming Swamp Thing is at his "full potential?" The thread starter never specified this, and I don't see John Constantine on Swamp Thing's team.

Originally posted by Synchro
Correction. ST can create AND destroy planets, while SS can only destroy planets. So yeah, ST has enough elemental power to do damage to SS.

And Silver Surfer held off Nukes? Well, ST has held off every superhero, mystics and villains on the planet(JLA, John Constantine, Phantom Stranger, Lex Luthor, Dr. Fate etc.) and as far as Im concerned, heroes/villains/mystics>nukes.

How is he going to do damage to SS? SS takes shots from people who can level planets regularly, yet he's still around. ST has no viable way of beating SS, and if he can do everything you guys claim, SS has no viable way of beating him.

no one can hold off presense even someone with the HOTU.

nataku u think that silver surfer could hold his own against john constantine's power?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf are u crazy? swamp thing represents elements that are not under the control of god, hes not really just a physical form u know, even though he has a persona, hes also an embodiement of natures uncontrollable and wild forces, he would have killed the dc god if he wanted, surfer is gonna get destroyed in less than a second.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
nataku u think that silver surfer could hold his own against john constantine's power?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf are u crazy? swamp thing represents elements that are not under the control of god, hes not really just a physical form u know, even though he has a persona, hes also an embodiement of natures uncontrollable and wild forces, he would have killed the dc god if he wanted, surfer is gonna get destroyed in less than a second.

First off, if DC's god could be beat by the embodiment of an element, there is something seriously wrong. If I remember my religion, God was the one who created EVERYTHING. So, either you're full of shit, or DC has become one of the worst publications ever.

You have yet to show me anything Swamp Thing can do that Surfer can't take. Surfer has taken the worst Nature can put up, and he spanked them back down again.

i bet surfer has never created life outta nuthing, i bet hes never been able to create the tree that harnesses the life force of all realities{plants n stufff} i bet surfer has never really been able to be at a point where he could kill god, i bet the surfer hasnt even ever faced anything remotely close to TOAA,

u want more things that swamp things has done n surfer can not do nataku?

i dont think The Presance is actually the main DC guy i mean there seems to be alot of supposid main DC gods such The Presance, The DC god from Preacher, The Source, etc i mean yeah seriously i think there all diffrent people Marvel only has TOAA. I think it takes alot of guts to let your main guys get beaten up i mean the combined power of the people listed above could totally level TOAA and the MU but you dont see TOAA losing very much why? Well one reason is cause TOAA like LT like Eternity and etc etc are kinda pussy's and no im not being pregidest like you all think i am even guys like Thanos think so also Korvac Eternity and the like are just pretty much there for decoration and do nothing but sit on there asses and thats it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i bet surfer has never created life outta nuthing, i bet hes never been able to create the tree that harnesses the life force of all realities{plants n stufff} i bet surfer has never really been able to be at a point where he could kill god, i bet the surfer hasnt even ever faced anything remotely close to TOAA,

Yeah, but what can ST do to SS? Thats like saying you have a dam full of water and only a small spigot to let it out. I never said he wasn't powerful, I said he has no way to use that power to hurt SS.