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The tear may cover it, but the GI was only interested in things happening before the Doc's current moment in his timeline. It's pretty clear that all that was affected was everything up until now. The problem is, you are looking at it backwards. You infer that the GI went to future docs as well and then question why Clara only saw up to 11, whilst actually Clara only seeing up to 11- and all the associated scenes- is simply confirmation that it only involved the Doctor's past. It's simply a fact that no future was involved.

Except GI didn't exactly have a choice of the matter, he and Clara were split into millions of peices along as noted his entire timestream (they technically werent supposed to remember anything either, and be a million seperate people). It never mentioned he was only focusing on the past, as they clearly stated several times the tear was the doctor's entire journey. They showed the past, but it was supposed to include his future as GI or Clara didnt get to choose where and when they would turn up. Technically they didnt even how how Clara stopped the GI anyways

Well again, you are inferring backwards. Clearly he did have a choice, as we see only the past doctors were involved. That's literal proof on-screen. So any idea that this process involved future versions of the Doctor are incorrect.

It's easier to show past clips then commit to showing the future. Their direct statements before and after Clara and GI jumped into the tear stated it was his entire journey. They stated a few times it was even days the 11th Doctor hasnt lived and his future, that's proof for me as no where did it state Clara or Gi were only sent into the past of a tear that was the totality of the doctor's entire life. Nor did it state they have control to go where or when they went as they didnt even know who they were just millions of different individuals with one purpose...kill the doctor and to save him.

It stated the grave represented his entire journey, not that the GI would go into the future parts of that journey. What we see trumps all- and that really is an end to it. There's no mystery to be answered here, nothing more to be revealed. This is all we are going to get, so unless you think Matt Smith is the last Doctor, it's simply an out and out fact that only the first 11 doctors are involved here; the process did not involve his future at all. You can accept that and move on, or not accept it and remain confused. There's really nothing more to be said.

No it doesnt, when they stated several times it was his entire journey and they made NO mention they had control of where and when they would appear. In fact they said the opposite that each individual created would be a seperate individual showing they dont exactly have control over where and when they would appear. You think there would be millions of versions of GI and Clara if it just covered the past? Even GI came from the future and knew about the Doctor's future so why would he only just focus on the past? when as noted he was attacking his entire timeline. They didnt even show her or the GI seeing the 10th Doctor shall we assume they didnt see him as they didnt show him? No, they showed just a few glimpses of the millions of different Clara's and GI.

No I don't think he is the last Doctor, that's the problem. However, she didn't even see the evil Doctor which some believe to be from the Doctor's past.

See, all you are going to do is frustrate yourself by thinking he was in the future as well. The entire story is going to go on working on the idea that the future was not included. As I say, you can either accept that and enjoy the story or keep thinking it's not true and never be happy.

(Incidentally, the GI does not in any way 'come from the future'. You're not really thinking about the time travel element of the show there in respect to the Doctor's future. And the 10th Doctor was there- they all were from 1-11. And, as you mentioned, she specified she saw all 11 of them. They showed the whole scope of what she saw)

She didn't see John Hurt because he's not technically 'The Doctor'. But then, he was there at the end after all.

Hey I liked the story, doesnt mean I cant question the fact they said the tear was the past, present, future of the doctor. They also noted the tear was his "entire journey" and didnt say he only attacked the past but they were split into millions of copies across his entire timelime.

Also I meant GI was from the future as in the after the events of GI and Clara (copy) first encountered him. When did they show Clara and the 10th together? I didnt see a body double of him or a clip of her added in (maybe they did and I missed it?????). Heck, they barely showed the 8th (which I feel Hurt is an older version of him) which I thought was odd.

Again, that technically shouldnt matter. As that evil doctor still followed the same rip in space. However, I dont care too much about that as it was an awesome reveal.

Im also curious why the Silence built their own time machine, but I dont think that will be answered

Clara saw 10 at the Library. It's not very long but it's there.

There won't be any answers as to why the Silence built a time machine or, worse, why they felt the need to breed a time lord hybrid so they could dress it up in a remote controlled 1960s space suit to shoot the Doctor with (and then hiding it in a random lake) and call that some sort of ultimate anti-doctor weapon (as opposed to just, say, shooting him with a gun, You don't need a special anti-Doctor weapon. Nthing in that year made any sense). Moffat pretty much considers these things dealt with, and likewise Moffat is pitching this so it is only relevant to the timeline up to the Eleventh Doctor's current point. You have to start hanging the sense of it and just accepting what is there; it's the Moffat way.

Really? Do you know where abouts aprox it was in the flashbacks? As in what came before and after it?

haha yeah youre properly right.

50TH anniversary spoilers:

Spoiler:
I just found out the Zygons will be in the 50th, but Ive only seen one episode of them and dont really remember much. Are they some kind of cult favorite or anything special?

I'll have to watch it again to get the order wither side- I'll report back.

As for the second point- Tennant always wanted them in, so this is an ironic gift to him, and there was this feel that, relative to the period, they were well designed and realised. It's an odd choice for the 50th though.

Yeah I thought it was weird too, and was wondering if there was a bigger significance of having them.

I didnt know Tennant wanted them though, thats interesting.

I found the episode to be quite chock full of stupid.

But that is pretty common for NuWHo.

"On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the eleventh, when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a Question will be asked, a question that must never, ever be answered."

Some seem to think the fall of the eleventh could mean when the Doctor turned off the anti-gravs and fell to the planet. Seems likely actually.

Fun episode. No one should have thought we'd actually learn his name. There's literally no way to reveal it without it being a letdown. Clara got wrapped up nicely, actually. I enjoyed that. Relative to seasons 5-6, this was by far the most coherent of the bunch, and we have at least a couple more Moffat "spoilers" (in River's voice, of course) to egg us on.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Doctor only can have just 12 regenerations, and 13th is his final form. So wonder what their going to do about that to keep the series going.

The BBC quietly announced some years ago that, without making promises, this aspect of the canon was probably going to be ignored. If a writer wants to bring it back for some tension, it's there, but don't be surprised if thy ignore it entirely. I've also heard that this was a Time Lord-imposed rule, and with their demise the rule isn't valid for the Doctor. Whatever the case, there's numerous easy workarounds. The Doctor's canon is self-contradictory at other points as well...it's just one of those things. The perils of having to continue a show for so long that has such a convoluted history.

Smith also stated in an episode of Sarah Jane that he can regenerate 507 times, though in context it was a throwaway line to placate Clyde, and the writer (no less than RTD himself) even stated he didn't intend for it to influence canon.

(Sadly this is harder to extrapolate to older stories, as they were rated out of 5.)

Gallifrey Base has released the average user ratings for all stories since The Waters of Mars (hence this really just covers Smith's era). The scores are out of 10:

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1. The Pandorica Opens - 9.020
2. The Doctor's Wife - 8.908
3. The Name of the Doctor - 8.750
4. The Time of Angels - 8.748
5. The Big Bang - 8.665
6. Flesh and Stone - 8.606
7. The Eleventh Hour - 8.378
8. The Angels Take Manhattan - 8.361
9. Vincent and the Doctor - 8.354
10. The Girl Who Waited - 8.339
11. The Impossible Astronaut - 8.322
12. The Waters of Mars - 8.316
13. Day of the Moon - 8.242
14. Asylum of the Daleks - 8.139
15. A Good Man Goes to War - 8.113
16. The End of Time, Part Two - 8.078
17. Amy's Choice - 8.057
18. The Snowmen - 7.958
19. The God Complex - 7.866
20. A Christmas Carol - 7.841
21. Hide - 7.813
22. The Almost People - 7.736
23. The Wedding of River Song - 7.693
24. Let's Kill Hitler - 7.684
25. The Lodger - 7.610
26. Cold War - 7.565
27. The Crimson Horror - 7.474
28. Cold Blood - 7.466
29. The Hungry Earth - 7.388
30. The Vampires of Venice - 7.376
31. The Beast Below - 7.288
32. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS - 7.279
33. The Bells of Saint John - 7.259
34. The Rebel Flesh - 7.254
35. The End of Time, Part One - 7.160
36. The Power of Three - 7.134
37. A Town Called Mercy - 7.104
38. Closing Time - 7.090
39. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - 6.947
40. Nightmare in Silver - 6.745
41. Night Terrors - 6.702
42. Victory of the Daleks - 6.429
43. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe - 6.345
44. The Curse of the Black Spot - 6.245
45. The Rings of Akhaten - 5.631

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Note how 'Rings' is a significant leap below the rest; it really was hated at GB. Hard to tell if it is actually lower rated than 'Fear Her' due to the change in scale.

This is just posting fans at GB, of course, and that's a very skewed sample even amongst fans (Doctor Who Magazine's poll for stories a few years back was a much more even handed affair). Anyway, in that context, note how arc stories, written by Moffat, dominate. Also note how Gaiman gets near the very top and very bottom at once.

Originally posted by Digi
The BBC quietly announced some years ago that, without making promises, this aspect of the canon was probably going to be ignored. If a writer wants to bring it back for some tension, it's there, but don't be surprised if thy ignore it entirely. I've also heard that this was a Time Lord-imposed rule, and with their demise the rule isn't valid for the Doctor. Whatever the case, there's numerous easy workarounds. The Doctor's canon is self-contradictory at other points as well...it's just one of those things. The perils of having to continue a show for so long that has such a convoluted history.

Smith also stated in an episode of Sarah Jane that he can regenerate 507 times, though in context it was a throwaway line to placate Clyde, and the writer (no less than RTD himself) even stated he didn't intend for it to influence canon.

Well theres also the scene of River giving the Doctor all her regeneration energy so maybe that gave him some extra lives.

http://introducingjohnhurt.com/

Originally posted by -K-M-
Well theres also the scene of River giving the Doctor all her regeneration energy so maybe that gave him some extra lives.

Probably reading too far into things, but sure.

Yeah most likely or they would have touched on it by now