Phoenix vs Franklin Richards(full power)

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Franklin Richards is a cosmically powered mutant. He is not a Celestial. The Phoenix Force ranks higher than most Celestials. Let's do the math, folks.

True. The phoenix force is greater in power than any single celestial. I doubt the force could take on all of the celestials tho. However i believe franklin would get taken out

Originally posted by Molecule man
OK let's say so, but Apoc is an nothing more than a ant compared to MM hahahaha

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
True. The phoenix force is greater in power than any single celestial. I doubt the force could take on all of the celestials tho. However i believe franklin would get taken out

Too much full potential bullshit

franklin is not overrated, even if we forget about his true potential and look at the things hes done, hes proven to be far above eternity death etc, CURRENTLY{forgettin his true potential "bullshit"} he has proven to be second only to, tribunal, true beyonderss, TOAA, heart of the universe, so look at it this way
full potential franklin richards vs full potential pheonix force, franklin makes her into the ***** of the multiverse.

current potential franklin richards vs, current potential pheonix force,
pheonix still gets made into the ***** she is,

n whoever says that franklin is just your average mutant with all the weaknesses should go to marvel's official site n read the franklin richard bio n stuff, quote "franklin is a mutant posessed by power FAR BEYOND THAT of any other mutant" so dont just compare franklin richards with your average uber powerful mutants.

full potential richard vs full potential phoenix= the death of everything.
But i've never seen richards do anything that impressed me more than morrisons take on the phoenix

Originally posted by Xplosive
Do you think PF full power also, if is that the case than PF might take him,
but if you think Phoenix as Jean Grey as avatar at full power against Richards full power, than I don't see Phoenix taking this at all, Richards win.

there's no real difference. PF doesnt act without its avatars, its avatars are the Phoenix (as in, the PF made sentient). They are phoenixes by mutation, like Jean Grey. The PF isn't a sentient force on its own except by drawing the life force from unborn generations in the future. Thats why it uses avatars.

full potential richard vs full potential phoenix= the death of everything.
But i've never seen richards do anything that impressed me more than morrisons take on the phoenix

so creating an entire string of complete and full sized universes without even knowing that uve done it or beeing exhausted AT ALL, isnt impressive at all is it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
franklin is not overrated, even if we forget about his true potential and look at the things hes done, hes proven to be far above eternity death etc, CURRENTLY{forgettin his true potential "bullshit"} he has proven to be second only to, tribunal, true beyonderss, TOAA, heart of the universe, so look at it this way
full potential franklin richards vs full potential pheonix force, franklin makes her into the ***** of the multiverse.

current potential franklin richards vs, current potential pheonix force,
pheonix still gets made into the ***** she is,

n whoever says that franklin is just your average mutant with all the weaknesses should go to marvel's official site n read the franklin richard bio n stuff, quote "franklin is a mutant posessed by power FAR BEYOND THAT of any other mutant" so dont just compare franklin richards with your average uber powerful mutants.

Yeah right second only to the tribunal, too much overrated by fanboys

Yeah right second only to the tribunal, too much overrated by fanboys

no too underrated by people like you molecule man.

What are you talking about, you are saying that FR is second only to the Tribunal. Wake up fanboy he is just a mutant a powerful one.

anyway. overrated or not, no 1 can deny the things he has accomplished in such a young age.

don't try too talk about something else. You made a fool out of yrself by saying that FR is second only to the Tribunal!!!

I think franklin might be able to take jean, the top avatar. Any of the lesser avatars like Rachel would get eaten.

franklin at full power is on par with your average celestial. The top phoenix avatars are above them they can tap into the force to virtually its utmost extent. Jean would take out franklin and we havent found out what rachel is in the phoenix hierarchy but having manifested the force at higher levels generally and for longer it was stated that she up to this point has shown more control. Jean is the more powerful of the two however. In my opinion either rachel or jean could dispatch franklin.

I say Franklin is in the top 10 to 15 in the Marvel Hiearchy. No way he's next to Tribunal. He's a bit above Molecule Man though.

Why are people bringing up "full potential" it's pointless!

Phoenix would have no problem with FR, but against the celestials phoenix might lose

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
franklin at full power is on par with your average celestial. The top phoenix avatars are above them they can tap into the force to virtually its utmost extent. Jean would take out franklin and we havent found out what rachel is in the phoenix hierarchy but having manifested the force at higher levels generally and for longer it was stated that she up to this point has shown more control. Jean is the more powerful of the two however. In my opinion either rachel or jean could dispatch franklin.

I dont know if rachel could. I'm pretty sure Jean could tho. and yea, Jean is much more powerful than Rachel is.

Phoenix could take on a few celestials. I don't think she could take the whole race though. Could Phoenix have resurrected Galactus if she wanted to, and restore him nearly to his full power?