Phoenix vs Franklin Richards(full power)

Started by Xplosive9 pages

Originally posted by Molecule man
isn't FR currently powerless???

Evolve human beings more powerful than cosmic beings? LOL

If FR is really example of humans in far future, then humans would rule the MU.

mutants not humans like us

No, actully humans would suppsoedly evolve, so we would all be mutants, but that goes for humans in MU.

before humans evolve to mutants we all be dead lol

a big meteor hits earth and all human dies and a new race will show up...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Actually, the Phoenix Force is aware of itself, and it can act independently of an avatar. It just doesn't.

it became aware of itself. It doesnt act independently of avatars because as I said that means draining future generations of life. I know it can be sentient independent of its avatars.

Besides, its avatars aren't separate from it. Its avatars are inextricably linked to it, they are the phoenix made flesh. We are told that Jean's spirit is carved out of the PF and that metaphysically she is a phoenix for example.

has anyone ever read the 'what if' comic, when the high evolutionary causes everyone to evolve. They all become really powerful, like franklin, and become a uni-mind, like how the eternals did. They then leave Earth and basically destroy the galaxy, by beating down galactus, all the celestials and i think some abstracts.

moleculeman, eternity is an abstract, have you ever seen eternity make another universe{give eternity as much prep and full power}, before you and kgkg start makin jokes about humans being nowhere near abstract level, maybe u should look at the goddam evidence,

So you can't really defend FR can you about him being the most powerful save LT!

the most living tribunal has ever done physically is that he destroyed a universe or two at one time without straining himself, frankin at his CURRENT POTENTIAL created a whole string of universe and explored them without even having knowledge that they were indeed his creations, now compare that with ANYTHING ANY1 HAS DONE IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE, i can guaruntee you that youl find only 3 examples{or 4} of sum1 exceeding that, 1:the beyonder{who was beyond the multiverse} 2: thanos with THOTU{where he destroyed the entire multiverse} 3: TOAA{speaks for itself}.

Originally posted by Molecule man
before humans evolve to mutants we all be dead lol

a big meteor hits earth and all human dies and a new race will show up...

Well I think in MU, there are beigns (mutans) who would prevent Asteroid to hit the Earth.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the most living tribunal has ever done physically is that he destroyed a universe or two at one time without straining himself, frankin at his CURRENT POTENTIAL created a whole string of universe and explored them without even having knowledge that they were indeed his creations, now compare that with ANYTHING ANY1 HAS DONE IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE, i can guaruntee you that youl find only 3 examples{or 4} of sum1 exceeding that, 1:the beyonder{who was beyond the multiverse} 2: thanos with THOTU{where he destroyed the entire multiverse} 3: TOAA{speaks for itself}.

beyonder's been nerfed 😎

Jean has healed the entire multiverse, the nexus of all realities, she's held a galaxy in the palm of her hand. I'd say it would be close.

also, he creates "pocket" universes.

isn't FR currently powerless???

just because LT haven't done some more amazing feats doens't mean he is less powerful he was the only one able to withstand the power of IG

Once again FR is just a mutant

all im saying is that the pheonix force has not done nearly as mutch as even kid franklin has done.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
all im saying is that the pheonix force has not done nearly as mutch as even kid franklin has done.

again, the phoenix force doesn't do anything (its an unconscious force), the phoenix does, the phoenix is the force made sentient, which usually means its avatars.

PF is a universal force way beyond any mutants

You can actually kill FR but not PF

correction he only created a POCKET UNIVERSE ONCE, on his first time, but it was nonetheless a universe, any universe after that, he created full sized.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the most living tribunal has ever done physically is that he destroyed a universe or two at one time without straining himself, frankin at his CURRENT POTENTIAL created a whole string of universe and explored them without even having knowledge that they were indeed his creations, now compare that with ANYTHING ANY1 HAS DONE IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE, i can guaruntee you that youl find only 3 examples{or 4} of sum1 exceeding that, 1:the beyonder{who was beyond the multiverse} 2: thanos with THOTU{where he destroyed the entire multiverse} 3: TOAA{speaks for itself}.

Now lets straight this up, to make it also clear for you. FR can never be, with his true power beyond LT or equal. LT what he said, his pwoer come form on-high being, that is even above him, TOAA has given pwoers to LT to be protected by anything (but still power that are bellow TOAA), no matter what and to judge, FR woud be uselles as IG was. THOTU was basically equal to GOD in pwoer, he could do whatever he wanted to do (he is the same,let's say to Bruce Almighty, you know the movie, Bruce Almighty could do everything he wanted to do, everything, except control will of othrs, but otherwise was equal to God in powers, but God was above him, beacuse he gave him powers, the same is with THOTU, he could do everything as TOAA could, but TOAA is sill above him) and LT is not protected by pwoers that is equal to TOAA, so that is why LT was destroyed, but could never by even in danger by Richards. And Beyodner was alawys faker.

If you use a gun and shot FR in the head then he is dead still a body but PF doesn't

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
beyonder's been nerfed 😎

Jean has healed the entire multiverse, the nexus of all realities, she's held a galaxy in the palm of her hand. I'd say it would be close.

also, he creates "pocket" universes.

I think Jean healed entire universe not multiverse.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I think Jean healed entire universe not multiverse.

m'kraan crystal is the nexus of all realities... it holds the multiverse together... from what i know