The most powerful X-Men

Originally posted by Xplosive
I think you realize that he deserves to be among top 10. Apocalypse is powerful because of his mutant abilites, he deserves to be in top 10 easily, and I think you realize this. Giving Rogue there and not Apocalypse or stormfront13 giving Storm and not Apocalypse (I don't know why is stated, Apocalypse one of the most powerful mutants who ever lived by Marvel, and Ramu Tut said Apocalypse most powerful mutant ever and rules every alternate Earth and Rama Tut was from far future, so I think he knows many mutants who lived, but he went to Apocalypse and not Storm and...). Do any remember when Apocalypse beat six X-Men under one minute, and he was very weakend. Already because he took BB scream like nothing, was given cosmic status (I mean given cosmic status and you don't give him in Top 10 and even if you don't except he was given cosmic status, he is easily among Top 10, I mean Cyclops said Apocalypse has unmatchable supremacy) and fought with High Evolutionary, already because of that he is among top 10. And now God-like Cable is his horseman.
The list I gave, those are literally the most powerful mutants who ever walked the Earth.

indeed All hail Lord Apocalypse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dude, when did i ever say that storm was in the top 10 most powerful mutants?? i never did, and i also said that it was a SLIM chance she was amoung the most powerful. she is usually talked about being one of the most powerful x-men there was, and in interviews writers talk about her being one of the most powerful women in marvel. if there was a list of women that was supposed to be the most powerful, then she deserves to be on it. she could easily take out most of the earth-based heroes in marvel. i don't think that apocolypse should be there because he is always getting beat by the x-men and cable. i don't agree with your list, i mean jean grey isn't even on there and she could take out like the entire marvel universe.

people are mainly putting them on the list because they are the favorite! If you put a flying aligator and a flying shark in a room, people would say the shark would kick ass mainly beacuse they like the animal, not because it may have an advantage, (shark would lose because it can't breath out of water, so all the gator would have to do is take it out of the water.) people don't think a bout stringths or weeknesses, mainly how much they like them! understand?

Originally posted by stormfront13
dude, when did i ever say that storm was in the top 10 most powerful mutants?? i never did, and i also said that it was a SLIM chance she was amoung the most powerful. she is usually talked about being one of the most powerful x-men there was, and in interviews writers talk about her being one of the most powerful women in marvel. if there was a list of women that was supposed to be the most powerful, then she deserves to be on it. she could easily take out most of the earth-based heroes in marvel. i don't think that apocolypse should be there because he is always getting beat by the x-men and cable. i don't agree with your list, i mean jean grey isn't even on there and she could take out like the entire marvel universe.

She could take entire Maervel Universe with help of PF, otherwise her, only her telepth and teleknetic pwoers aren't enough to be in top 10, PF bosat her powerf far beyond her level.
My bad stormforn12, it was Crimson Phoenix who gave Iceman and and Storm. And the list I gave isn't my favorite, but that it is, those are literally most pwoerul mutants (I mean if Apocalypse rules almost every alternate Earth, except our, for now, and now in Cable/Deadpool they showed one of alternate Earth where he rules, that means that mightiest team failed agianst him and such beings as God-like Cable is his horseman). Who cares if he gets beaten by X-Men or Cable, while you realize that his power level is far beyond X-Men team.
Many don't think objectivly, X-Men beat him, while than X-Factor and Inhumans togther weren't able to beat him close, not even to move him or strach him (and Black Bolt was there). Apocalypse did good agiasnt good guy, very good, against smaller guy, he don't do good, except when he beat X-Men while he was wekaned under on minute.
He is easily among top 10 and it's logicall. He is Apocalypse.

O.......kay....

no, jean is the phoenix force, she has access to it. it was revealed that her ultimate potential was to access the powers of the pf. but her and pf are the same.

Originally posted by stormfront13
no, jean is the phoenix force, she has access to it. it was revealed that her ultimate potential was to access the powers of the pf. but her and pf are the same.

You do realize that PF can leave Jean Greay if it choses so. There are more avatars, PF can go into other avatrs, and Jean will be left only her, PF can leave her if it choses so. They are not the same, PF, cosmic entity, Jean mutant, it was her genetic, mutation for PF to take her, but still PF can leave her. They are not the same. Yes when PF is inside her, they are the same, beacuse they act with each other, listen to each other.
PF boasts her power.

'' don't think that apocolypse should be there because he is always getting beat by the x-men and cable''

Again far from thinking objectivly, far. And actully you said that you think Storm should be in Top 10 and Iceman, yes you did. Of course. Storm or Iceman wouldn't lose agianst X-Men and Cable, why don't you think objectivly, do you ever think objectivly, you only say Apocalypse was defeated by them, if Strom or Iceam would fight to X-Men and Cable, they would die and would get easily defeated and would easily die. When Storm or Iceman or Rogur will be able to fight with High Evolutionary, Loki, defeat Celastial, than say Storm.

I believe the Phoenix Endsong miniseries established that Jean Grey and The Phoenix Force are one and the same.

when i said that i was refering to most powerful x-men, as this is what the title of the thread states- do you see it? of course storm isn't in the list to be the top 10 mutants, and neither is iceman but they are or at least should be in the list of the top 10 most powerful x-men. and i also though that endsong established that jean and pf were the same. and i don't think that apoc should be in the top 10 because there are more powerful mutants who could beat him on their own, like jean for example and many others have said they think scarlet witch could beat him by herself

Well Scarlet Witch can beat the entire Marvel Universe by herself..

OH MY GOD I JUST HAD A GREAT IDEA!

Oh..wait, no...it's House of M.

Originally posted by Xplosive
You do realize that PF can leave Jean Greay if it choses so. There are more avatars, PF can go into other avatrs, and Jean will be left only her, PF can leave her if it choses so. They are not the same, PF, cosmic entity, Jean mutant, it was her genetic, mutation for PF to take her, but still PF can leave her. They are not the same. Yes when PF is inside her, they are the same, beacuse they act with each other, listen to each other.
PF boasts her power.

it tried. 😆

Jean didn't like that one bit.

ouch! 😆

Read endsong, be happy 😄

Originally posted by munkiesarus
I believe the Phoenix Endsong miniseries established that Jean Grey and The Phoenix Force are one and the same.

PF exist for eternity, Jean exist for 30 years. They are two different beings, entities what don't you get it, they are not one and the same. If Jean Grey is the same as PF, that means Jean Grey created PF with her mutiaton, yeah right, disgusting. They are not the same, tow different beigsn, her mutation allowed her PF to go into her body. They are the same, because they act with each other, but tow differtn beigns, force.

you are mistaken, it could simply be that Jean Grey is the human version of the PF, like an avatar. You know what an avatar is?

Also, in X-men forever it says that humanity had the potential to replace fundamental forces of the universe, basically become them, and that the fundamental forces were scared of Jean because she had begun the process.

Originally posted by stormfront13
when i said that i was refering to most powerful x-men, as this is what the title of the thread states- do you see it? of course storm isn't in the list to be the top 10 mutants, and neither is iceman but they are or at least should be in the list of the top 10 most powerful x-men. and i also though that endsong established that jean and pf were the same. and i don't think that apoc should be in the top 10 because there are more powerful mutants who could beat him on their own, like jean for example and many others have said they think scarlet witch could beat him by herself

I don't know what don't you get it, but Apocalypse is easily among top 10 (I mean, I don't understand, but he is easily among top 10, just accept it). The one who rules almost every Alternate Earth, what don't you get it, was given cosmic status, what do you need?
No there are not many other mutants that could beat Apocalypse (far from that). There are many mutants that Apocalpyse would beat. I mean, he rules alternate Earths, you know what that means, that all who opposed him, failed, only our Earth is still good. Apocalpyse is beaten beacuse he must be stopped, part of all stories. Give Silver Surfer to be bad guy and you will see that they would write how he will get beaten by FF.

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
you are mistaken, it could simply be that Jean Grey is the human version of the PF, like an avatar. You know what an avatar is?

Also, in X-men forever it says that humanity had the potential to replace fundamental forces of the universe, basically become them, and that the fundamental forces were scared of Jean because she had begun the process.

Avatar=doesn't mean PF, come on man. PF can leave Jean Grey, Jean Grey is not only avatar. PF is aspect of TOAA, and there are chosen avatars, as Jean, Rachel. When Galactus was suckin PF, was universe fading because of PF or because of Rachel=avatar. They are not the same. Jean was born without PF, if PF and her would be the same, she would be born with it. But no, PF came later, much later, when she was adult.

Jean first manifested the Phoenix Raptor when she was 11 😄 you need to read her backstories before you argue about her.

Also, Jean might not be the only host. but she might be the only avatar, the only one genetically linked to the Phoenix and who is the Phoenix (obviously, her daughter would be genetically linked too, because she has her mothers DNA).
When I say avatar I dont mean host or whatever. Avatar literally means god-in-human-form, a.k.a. incarnation, coming from the Hindu religion when Gods would incarnate themselves on earth.

The beetle that the Phoenix possessed in Endsong, for example, does not become an avatar because the Phoenix possessed it. Same with Emma, who admits it- "I'm not even a host, just a shell".

Its been established that the Phoenix can fragment and that different pieces can go to various people. For example, Rachel still manifests Phoenix energies on a small scale, and when the Phoenix/Jean consciousness was first returning to Jeans old body in the coccoon, a piece of it went to Rachel and most of the rest went to Maddie Pryor.

xplosive he doesn't rule every other realuty, he was beaten in aoa, and can beaten again. other mutants like scarlet witch and jean can't be beaten by the x-men and cable alone, apoc can. he may be close to the top ten list but isn't. and yes, you are arguing a losing battle, jean and pf are one with eachother-read endsong

Originally posted by stormfront13
xplosive he doesn't rule every other realuty, he was beaten in aoa, and can beaten again. other mutants like scarlet witch and jean can't be beaten by the x-men and cable alone, apoc can. he may be close to the top ten list but isn't. and yes, you are arguing a losing battle, jean and pf are one with eachother-read endsong

apocalypse was beaten by nate grey and magneto and a bit of PIS...

in many universes he rules... he made god cable his b*tch...

he does deserve to be up there...

Though I would agree that Apocalypse is no where near the power of Phoenix and Scarlet Witch, I probably would still place him in the top ten. He is a powerful mutant even without celestial tech.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Though I would agree that Apocalypse is no where near the power of Phoenix and Scarlet Witch, I probably would still place him in the top ten. He is a powerful mutant even without celestial tech.

yeah...

i don't get this "the x-men beat him so he must be shit..."

the x-men have to beat him, they're the good guys... thats why the fantastic four beat galactus...

if the good guys dont win, there's really no point in having the comics out in the first place...