Originally posted by Milkie
Can you provide scans to back up those claims?
Superman as "gangbuster" defied magic.
Superman has willed off magical transmutation from a skyfather level being.
There have also been kryptonian magicians.
It's all been stated directly in print before...do I remember where? Hell no.
Too much damn material.
Originally posted by Validusi agree smart post. by the way BA can go light speed but i'll only seen him do it in space.
Black Adam's recent showings throw me off greatly. He looked better than any other hero has against Supes in quite some time and thats including Captain Marvel which boggles my mind. In Infinite Crisis he ripped Amazo's head off without much trouble. Since JSA started in 2001 I believe, Black Adam has been on a new level.Still, I generally put Superman (and thus Zod) a hair above Shazam's champions on a stat level. Zod is just as ruthless as Adam so it will be different than fighting against Clark however Adam's lightning punches WILL get the win if he uses them.
BA 6/10 based on his recent stuff. Factor in his entire Post Crisis history and I'd say Zod 6/10.
Originally posted by Validusso what if CM use's magic punches? its a part of his power set is it not. thats like me a huge hulk fan saying supes is a puss for flying or useing his speed on hulk if its one of your powers use it.
Magic that outside of the lasso is practically good for nothing. Incidently, WW did defeat Superman when she tied him in her MAGIC lasso. Almost as good as lightning punching him to death.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Superman as "gangbuster" defied magic.Superman has willed off magical transmutation from a skyfather level being.
Sure but this ain't the same
There have also been kryptonian magicians.
LOL
There are human magicians. That doesn't mean all humans are immune to magic
LMAO!
It's all been stated directly in print before...do I remember where? Hell no. Too much damn material.
No material = no proof
I could just as easy say one thing about a character that isn't widely known and provide no proof.
Originally posted by Milkie
Sure but this ain't the same
It shows that magic resistance is based in part to willpower on kryptonians...
Originally posted by Milkie
LOLThere are human magicians. That doesn't mean all humans are immune to magic
LMAO!
Who said humans or kryptonians were IMMUNE to magic? Just not all kryptonians are as susceptable as Clark due to his upbringing. 2 totally different things.
Not that it matters when Zod is just as ruthless and is much faster than Adam anyway.
Originally posted by Milkie
No material = no proofI could just as easy say one thing about a character that isn't widely known and provide no proof.
That's your issue. I don't feel the need to look through hundreds of back issues, bios, or interviews to satisfy your request.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
It shows that magic resistance is based in part to willpower on kryptonians...
He used his "T-Vo" (or whatever) which he has to concentrate.
That's not gonna do much when you have a guy in your face beating your brains out.
Who said humans or kryptonians were IMMUNE to magic? Just not all kryptonians are as susceptable as Clark due to his upbringing. 2 totally different things.
This is irrelevant
Superman is not a magician and he's not going to be fighting off magical beings left and right.
Not that it matters when Zod is just as ruthless and is much faster than Adam anyway.
Speed does not equal defeat (not saying that Zod is "much" faster as you claim). You have no proof that Zod is flat out the fastest guy in town and has defeated people like Superman with speed alone. Black Adam is fast enough to keep up, it's not like they're going to be going top speed the whole damn battle. This ain't a race.
That's your issue. I don't feel the need to look through hundreds of back issues, bios, or interviews to satisfy your request.
Not really.
You're somewhat claiming that Kryptonian Will Power > Magic
I want proof but you don't want to go through the trouble and that's fine.
In Action Comics 762, he took Etrigan's magical hellfire. He also was both punched to the moon and actually inhaled magic in this issue. He also shrugged off the Hellfire in several other instances, such as Action 589.
You can check his battles against Blaze. Given she is the demon daughter of the Wizard SHAZAM. Such as their confrontations in Action 656.. continuing into Superman 47, then ending in AOS 470. She tried turning him into stone and a number of other things, Superman kept shrugging them off.
He has also fought Satanus a number of times.
A few members of his rogues gallery are really high end magic users, from Queen of Fables to Mxy and on.
In War of the Gods, Superman took a magic beam that was going to annihilate Paradise Island.
Exactly how many instances are you looking for? Superman has a vast history.
Originally posted by Milkie
He used his "T-Vo" (or whatever) which he has to concentrate.That's not gonna do much when you have a guy in your face beating your brains out.
Supes body has taken magic bolts directly from Shazam himself and kept on coming. Black Adam himself didn't want to fight a pissed of Superman.
Zod not limiting himself like Clark would spell trouble already.
Originally posted by Milkie
This is irrelevantSuperman is not a magician and he's not going to be fighting off magical beings left and right.
You mean like all the examples Juntai named AND the fact that he fought in Asgard for 1000 years?
Originally posted by Milkie
Speed does not equal defeat (not saying that Zod is "much" faster as you claim). You have no proof that Zod is flat out the fastest guy in town and has defeated people like Superman with speed alone. Black Adam is fast enough to keep up, it's not like they're going to be going top speed the whole damn battle. This ain't a race.
Show me where it shows a Marvel fighting as fast as a kryptonian or moving anywhere near as fast.
Last I heard, the stronger and faster guy usually wins the fight.
Originally posted by Milkie
Not really.You're somewhat claiming that Kryptonian Will Power > Magic
I want proof but you don't want to go through the trouble and that's fine.
It surely reduces the effects of it. If you don't know that...then read some comics...I thought this was common knowledge...guess I was wrong on that one.
Originally posted by Juntai
In Action Comics 762, he took Etrigan's magical hellfire. He also was both punched to the moon and actually inhaled magic in this issue. He also shrugged off the Hellfire in several other instances, such as Action 589.
First off Shazam's Lightning is more powerful then Etrigan's "Hellfire" is. And in that same issue Etrigan made Superman bleed
using magic.
Also, Superman was effect by inhaling that magic. It was suppose to effect him in a bad way but because his soul was pure it effected him in a good way. Kinda like Thor's hammer.
You can check his battles against Blaze. Given she is the demon daughter of the Wizard SHAZAM. Such as their confrontations in Action 656.. continuing into Superman 47, then ending in AOS 470. She tried turning him into stone and a number of other things, Superman kept shrugging them off.
I'll check this out and post my comments later.
He has also fought Satanus a number of times.
[quote[In War of the Gods, Superman took a magic beam that was going to annihilate Paradise Island.[/QUOTE]
When did this happened?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Supes body has taken magic bolts directly from Shazam himself and kept on coming. Black Adam himself didn't want to fight a pissed of Superman.
LOL
Eclipso (a magical being) was merged with Superman
Shazam was holding back, he could have killed them both but instead he summoned Spectre to deal with Eclipso.
You mean like all the examples Juntai named AND the fact that he fought in Asgard for 1000 years?
Him fighting in Asgard hasn't givin him any power.
Show me where it shows a Marvel fighting as fast as a kryptonian or moving anywhere near as fast. Last I heard, the stronger and faster guy usually wins the fight.
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It surely reduces the effects of it. If you don't know that...then read some comics...I thought this was common knowledge...guess I was wrong on that one. [/B]
You're trying to make it out like he can fight off all magic. Most of his magic showings are PIS. DC doesn't want their boy scout to lose all the time. Funny how magic works on other magical characters but not Superman 🙄
Originally posted by MilkieOn panel showings > opinion of what a character should be capable of. Especially when it's shown fairly consistantly.
Most of his magic showings are PIS. DC doesn't want their boy scout to lose all the time. Funny how magic works on other magical characters but not Superman 🙄
