Evangel's Amalgam Tournament: Stormfront13 vs Nataku8188 (Vote Now!)

i think that it won't matter is she sais field. she never has to be fully specific on her powers. in world war three she was carrying canary i think it was, but anyway she was carrying somebody and looked at the guards and said pink flamingos or something, they're guns turned into pink f;amingos. if you want her to be that specific then flamingos wouldve just appeared. and yes, whatr i meant was that it was commoc sence that you can't to that to binary. surfer won't be in a killer rage as soon as the fights starts. and even if you bring up the whole thing about him herting himself before the match i highly doubt surfer would do that. evang said we are to post what the characters would most likely do, not what we want them to do. and draco it would be easy to calm hulk down with zatannas power

and let me point out that even galactus hates fighting magics, and can be weakened by it. galactus hates magic because it defy's all logic. if gaslactus is afected by ,magic, then so will surfer, and i have 2 very powerful magical characters in my character

Would you stop reposting things SF?

Surfer knows his powers will be augmented by anger, so he will do whatever it takes to piss himself off. Saying Binary will survive a shot at full power from a Hulk/Surfer/Damage amalgam is ridiculous. It's like saying a Human would survive a shot from Spider-man if he hit as hard as he could. Human martial artists have the power to crush a skull, if we're in the same strength league, it stands to reason I'll have the power to do the same. But, we aren't in the same strength league, I'm far far stronger than you.

You say you'll calm me down, but that isn't going to happen in under a second. You say you'll move at lightspeed, that's not how Zatanna fights. Surfer charges his opponents as fast as possible, ramming into them then blasting them to smithereens. The fight will start, and Zatanna will start casting, but she won't finish. Surfer will ram into you, that alone will stop your casting, followed by a haymaker, Hurricane will be reeling. A few more heavy blows and she's done. If for some reason Zatanna decides to try and duke it out with Surfer, she's just going to make him stronger. Damage doesn't have to be mad to get stronger, and Damage is in the same league as hulk for strength, he's thrown down with guys like Gorilla Grodd, Metallo and Kyle Raynor.

once again pshycal strength won't work. i am as durable as you are in the beginning of the fight. i am not the only one that thinks that is bot going to work. pshyical attack won't work because i can keep getting stronger as i fight also. you change the rules to make yourself seem like you have a stronger character which you don't. i am also fighting for the most deerest thing i hold. binsry's speen and reaction time will affect my casting ability. and in wonder woman-paradise lost zatanna is being attacked by magneta. magneta focuses on trying to cover her mouth, but can't and zatanna takes her out easily. then zatanna flies down to the ground and laughs and says that she doesn't have to say her spells. she can clearly do it without, and thats not the only example of her saying that in comics. as soon as the fight starts then i can create a fircefield around me, ir blast you, or attack you as well. surfer doesn't hurt himself in the begginning of a battle but that doesn't stop you from saying he will which is also against the rules. i can match you in the fighting department while i cast spells. remember i don't have to say them for them to work. and if you say that i can't cast spells while fighting you thats like saying that no one thinks when they are fighting, like their mind is shut off. I can calm hulk down making you rely on surfers strength and damages(i know its still a lot). also by calming you down i can make you lose determination in the fight. i control your weakness. you ignore the fact that surfer is harmed by magic because you know that it is a huge advantage for me. i could easily make my attacks magical with zatanna. i have two very, very powerful magic users, more than enough to take you out

and i have to repost things because you ignore them

Originally posted by stormfront13
and if you say that i can't cast spells while fighting you thats like saying that no one thinks when they are fighting, like their mind is shut off.

you can do both at once..... but it will split your concentration and may leave you vulnerable

True scoob, but binary's body is strong enough to take a few punches until Zantanna has time enough to say the one phrase she needs to to stop Nat's guy in his tracks.
Zan' needs one phrase...thats it.
If zan can turn a building into popcorn by saying it, she certainly can make nat's guy go blind, def and confused.
Hell, she could just create illusions or cast a spell of paranoia on Nat's guy.

being strong enough to take a full force cosmic blast (not sure about that) doesn't mean she'll know she can take it.... when Surfer goes all out she'll instinctively raise her arms to her face in defence which will stop any spell casting...... i think this match hinges on experience..... if Hurricane had full knowledge and control i may not be voting for Nataku.... as it is, Zatanna has no idea the kind of beating she can take...... it's likely an all out attack by the surfer would cause her to freak out

You're basing your vote on the theory Zan will flintch? c'mon now Scoob.
Why would her putting her hands up over her face stop spell casting? She doesn't have a magic wand.

Binary's body absorbs cosmic energy from others without making it. Kinda how bishop absorbs kenetic energy without him making it.

She can take it long enough to say "ezeerf".(remember Binary can go past light speed, even if zan cant do it long, she can do it long enough to say "ezeerf"😉
That's all she has to do. Nat's guy would be stuck, leaving him open for any assault to come, like turning him into popcorn.

I think you're leaning too much on the debate aspect. Yes, it's important, but Nat is outclassed character wise.

If i chose gambit/jubilee/toad against Living Tribunal/galactus/god, but I was the better debater...would you still pick me? no....because your smart enough to see i'm outclassed.

Of course nat isnt that far away from SF's team, but enough to make a difference.

<<being strong enough to take a full force cosmic blast (not sure about that) doesn't mean she'll know she can take it.... when Surfer goes all out she'll instinctively raise her arms to her face in defence which will stop any spell casting...... i think this match hinges on experience..... if Hurricane had full knowledge and control i may not be voting for Nataku.... as it is, Zatanna has no idea the kind of beating she can take...... it's likely an all out attack by the surfer would cause her to freak out>>

i'm not buying that scoob. i'm pretty sure z would know what she can and can't take. she is not a novice, and has battled many of dc's big boys. i would doubt the SS is even the toughest opponent she has battled. the only thing about nat's attack i don't like is this 'lightspeed bullrush' tactic. it just doesn't seem like something you would ever see in a comic. if they have on field prep (3hrs, right?) then she would know who she is facing. why not simply establish a shield immediately upon the start of the battle, stop SS if only for a moment, then finish him with a spell? that's assuming she couldn't innately react to SS rush at light speed. you're right - she might flinch, but binary's body would likely react to the threat at lightspeed, no? i'm just not a fan of the strategy. there are so many other possible ways SS could win this in a prolonged battle. i mean the dude manipulates reality! i don't get the whole rushing in and ripping off of the head thing. and i think hulk's irrationality might also prove a hindrance in helping SS think straight. it's why i would have voted for SF.

zatanna made a hunger demon eat himself in the nail 2
zatanna turned grass to moly in the comic where circe turned all men into animals
zatanna has turned guns into flamingos in world war 3 i think it was
zatanna used the powers of the lords of order when she helped joch constantine
Zatanna single-handedly destroyed the Shadow which threatened Heaven itself
Not to mention she brought back every single person in Metropolis City back to life after a catastrophe. The city was completely destroyed. Zatanna restored it back to perfection.
she accidently conjured up a monster that killed Ibis, Tim Ravenwind, and Dr. Thirteen
She stopped Circe , Neron, and even Spectre himself (though not at full power)
Zatanna changed the world

is that enough expierence fort you? i'd like to see surfer resurect all the people of metropilas and bring it back to perfection

Originally posted by long pig
You're basing your vote on the theory Zan will flintch? c'mon now Scoob.
Why would her putting her hands up over her face stop spell casting? She doesn't have a magic wand.

it's one of the most basic human responses...... you try saying or thinking anything backwards when someone is punching you in the face..... i bet your concentration will be non-existant

zatanna isn't a rookie, she has trained with the top fighters in the JLA. she has tons of expierence. when magneta was hurling metallic objects at her she didn't flinch

Not if I knew i could stop the guy with one spell, I'd have full concentration.
Zantanna isn't a basic Human, shes homo magi.

Zantanna is uberpowerful, her only real weakness is her frail humanoid body, but now she has Binary's body.
She is above almost everyone in this tourney when she has Binarys body.

Originally posted by leonidas
[Bi'm not buying that scoob. i'm pretty sure z would know what she can and can't take. [/B]

not a chance.... not even a remote chance......... she's never even heard of Binary prior to this.... she won't know if she's weak against physical or energy attacks.... for all she knows she may not be able to take a class 80 punch or blast

Originally posted by leonidas
but binary's body would likely react to the threat at lightspeed, no?

no.... bodies don't react, minds do

Originally posted by leonidas
and i think hulk's irrationality might also prove a hindrance in helping SS think straight.

Hulk's mind isn't even a factor..... it doesn't exist in this amalgam

Originally posted by stormfront13
zatanna made a hunger demon eat himself in the nail 2
zatanna turned grass to moly in the comic where circe turned all men into animals
zatanna has turned guns into flamingos in world war 3 i think it was
zatanna used the powers of the lords of order when she helped joch constantine
Zatanna single-handedly destroyed the Shadow which threatened Heaven itself
Not to mention she brought back every single person in Metropolis City back to life after a catastrophe. The city was completely destroyed. Zatanna restored it back to perfection.
she accidently conjured up a monster that killed Ibis, Tim Ravenwind, and Dr. Thirteen
She stopped Circe , Neron, and even Spectre himself (though not at full power)
Zatanna changed the world

did she do any of this while a herald of Galactus (or anyone) was rushing her at lightspeed firing cosmic blasts?

Originally posted by long pig
Not if I knew i could stop the guy with one spell, I'd have full concentration.

but that's the point, she doesn't know that..... she has never heard of the Surfer before..... how could she know her attack would definitely have any effect?

did she do any of this while a herald of Galactus was rushing her at lightspeed firing cosmic blasts? [/B]

Scoob, c'mon man, you know this.

no.... bodies don't react, minds do

hmmm......

Originally posted by Scoobless
but that's the point, she [B]doesn't know that..... she has never heard of the Surfer before..... how could she know her attack would definitely have any effect? [/B]

knowing SS or not, Zantanna will use what she is most confident in, spells.

Originally posted by long pig
No, it's called a reflex. most of your normal body function relys on reflexes....

you have physical reflexes to physical stimuli..... a percieved attack is mental stimuli and requires a mental a mental response for physical movement

Originally posted by long pig
WTF??
Zantanna didn't have Binary's body. Zantannas body=human body.

Scoob, c'mon man, you know this.

i know...... but as she still has her own mind and none of Binary's experience at cosmic battling she can't be sure of herself...... the flash from Surfers attack alone would cause her to react to defend herself.... which would break her concentration

<<not a chance.... not even a remote chance......... she's never even heard of Binary prior to this.... she won't know if she's weak against physical or energy attacks.... for all she knows she may not be able to take a class 80 punch or blast>>

this makes no sense. she knows NOTHING about binary? does SS know about hulk? is it because binary/zat are in different universes?? how does ss know to beat himself up to get angry? i read the rules but don't remember seeing anything like that.

i'll concede the the mind's reacting to the threat, rather than the body, but . . . zat's mind would react as quickly as binary's though (binary doesn't THINK at faster speeds), THEN binary's body would react instantly - way quicker than z is used to, but it would still react at its normal (ultra fast) speed. same message being sent, only a different brain sending it.

i thought i'd read in another post hulk's rage was part of surfer and might affect his mind. if he grows angry but keeps his regular demeanor, my bad.