well if you're goin off saber skills alone i'd go with mace but luke is the most powerful jedi ever(scond if anikin wouldn't have become vader) and when i say jedi i mean good guy not including sith cause i think nagasadow and revan are equal with luke in midichlorian counts and force stuff. so i'd go with luke even though i want mace to win if it actually ahppened luke would to me anyways.
Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Fishy you must be illiterate and blind. 📖 😑"I warn you not to underestimate my power." ROTJ Luke Skywalker.
Oh and that somehow proofs he is all powerful, okay let me quote somebody else
"I AM ALWAYS RIGHT" - fishy
See I say Luke loses, I win because i'm always right
Think of an argument or stop wasting all our time
Oh please...
Topic here says "NJO Luke" vs Mace Windu.
So why you are discussing ROTJ Luke ?
Even with all yet written EU literature it's impossible to tell what Luke learned and where he learned it from ROTJ on to NJO. He could have been teached by Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and Anakin since they all remained as spirits within the force. He had holocrons. He had a book written by Obi-Wan with unknown lessons. And we can estimate that he has developed his lightsaber skills far beyond what he displayed in ROTJ, because he had people to train against.
And if you want to take arguments from the films:
- ANH to ROTJ is just 4 years. So 4 years to develop from "first contact with the force" nobody to nearly Jedi Knight status. For a "normal" person this would be around 20 years of Jedi training.
- with the few weeks or month of training he was able to survive Vader, one year later he defeats Vader during the battle of Endor. Yes...of course only because of his anger but no matter how he did it...he did it.
- and if you want to talk about lightsaber combat. There are just two times when Luke was fighting lightsaber against lightsaber. Against Vader on Bespin, and against Vader on the second death star. Vader/Anakin had years of Jedi training (including lightsaber combat), fougt Obi-Wan and Dooku and didn't manage to win against ROTJ Luke.
What it is I want to tell you ?
We can not say how good Luke realy is in the use of lightsabers when it is NJO Luke. Assuming he could have 14 years of training in lightsaber duels (since Jedi Academy is established 11 years past ANH while NJO ist 25-29 years past ANH) he could at least be as good as RotS Anakin but with much more patience (as being older) so at least he could be a mixture of Anakins skills in lightsaber combat and somewhere near (or even beyond) Yoda, when it comes to use of the force.
How should Mace win that one ?
We landed on ROTJ because somebody made a statement that the movies made Luke look like the greatest ever, they didn't.
Your ESB ROTJ analyses is wrong. In ESB Vader does not want to kill Luke he wants to capture him, he just toys around with Luke throwing things at him, things that Luke can not block things Luke does not block. Luke gets kicked around in that fight and loses his hand.
Then Return of the Jedi starts, and Luke has recieved no additional training, when he's standing there on the Death Star and he's fighting against Vader he is the only one fighting. Vader once again tries to convert him and does not want to kill him. We have seen very little that would make me believe Luke was any kind of superior Jedi in the moives
Sorry but it is possible to become a Jedi Knight in four years. Jorus C'baoth(the original) became a Knight in four years, so I don't see why Luke cant have done the same. This, is also NJO Luke. He has been training for twenty-eight years by then. He also has been through more combat than Mace by then considering Mace was in three years of clone wars and Luke fought the empire for so long, followed by the Yuuzhan Vong, who with their melee weapons, would be great pratice in saber on saber.
And Fishy, you have lost nine respect points from me. He did recieve aditional training between ESB and ROTJ. I am amazed you missed something so obvious. One instance was in Shawdows of the Empire, he did lots of fighting. And this does count as training because fighting non-force users was actaully part of the Jedi Trials, read Shawdow HUnter if you dont believe me.