Originally posted by Lazerlike42
I don't think it's messed up. The point is Luke knows who raised Leia, but he doesn't have ANY clue that they weren't his real parents. Obi-wan never tells him that. Nobody tells him that, so what reason would he have to believe otherwise? Does anyone here go around thinking your parents are actually adopted even though nobody has told you anything to suggest it? No, people assume their parents are legitimate unless something indicated otherwise.
Oh come on. Luke knows his father is Vader AND that Leia is his TWIN SISTER... Now I don't know what planet you're from but twins usually have the same father AND mother. So it is CLEAR Leia wasn't BORN an Organa and that her father is Vader and that they have the same birth mother. Luke 'has no memory of'' his real mother, maybe Leia has.
And the cave, well, there's not much to think about that. It's just great!
Well I live in an upper middle class family with pretty traditional values. My situation is relatively similar to Luke's, or maybe moreso Leia's but in any case....
My father and mother split up when I was an infant and my mother went on to remarry. I lived with my grandparents, much like Luke lived with the Berus. I didn't know anything at all about my real parents until later in life. My mom had twin girls with her new husband, but the thing is I didn't realize this at first. Until I was told otherwise I just assumed we were all full siblings, and that my mother had simply married a different man. I assumed essentially the same thing I am saying Luke could have (though my father is not a master of the dark side 🙁 )
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Plenty of people are in situations where a father is not bilogical but the mother is. Luke could have assumed this:Vader had him and Leia with their mother, then turned to the dark side and they split up, and their mother remarried Bail, and raised Leia.
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Reading too much into the subtext, you are!
and queeq> a lot of people (hopefully no one on these forums) still believe the point of the cave to mean Vader is his father, even though its really: if he continues to stike out angrily (as shown on his face during the decapitating blow) he will become what he is fighting, a Sith.
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Well I live in an upper middle class family with pretty traditional values. My situation is relatively similar to Luke's, or maybe moreso Leia's but in any case....My father and mother split up when I was an infant and my mother went on to remarry. I lived with my grandparents, much like Luke lived with the Berus. I didn't know anything at all about my real parents until later in life. My mom had twin girls with her new husband, but the thing is I didn't realize this at first. Until I was told otherwise I just assumed we were all full siblings, and that my mother had simply married a different man. I assumed essentially the same thing I am saying Luke could have (though my father is not a master of the dark side 🙁 )
Projecting to much of your own world onto that of another? Hmmmm?
The point remains, very wrong you are! 😆
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Well I live in an upper middle class family with pretty traditional values. My situation is relatively similar to Luke's, or maybe moreso Leia's but in any case....My father and mother split up when I was an infant and my mother went on to remarry. I lived with my grandparents, much like Luke lived with the Berus. I didn't know anything at all about my real parents until later in life. My mom had twin girls with her new husband, but the thing is I didn't realize this at first. Until I was told otherwise I just assumed we were all full siblings, and that my mother had simply married a different man. I assumed essentially the same thing I am saying Luke could have (though my father is not a master of the dark side 🙁 )
And do your mother's twin girls also wonder if they had different mothers? *sigh*
THe cave isn;t taht hard, it's all there: it's a domain of evil (quoting Yoda) and all you meet there is what youcreate by what you bring with you. It's like a Dark Side mirror thingy or something. He brings in weapons to defend himself from evil, he gets something to defend against. In the end, the Dark Side domain is nmothing more than fighting your dark self. Very nice that Vader is also his father, but in teh end Luke was fighting his own demon: Vader, source of his fear. And fear leads to the Dark Side.
How does it end the discussion to say that she had twins? Nobody is debating that she had twins.... the debate is over whether or not Luke and Leia knew that Organa was not her real mother. Neither Luke nor Leia receive one piece of information to lead them to believe that she is not. Obi-wan certainly didn't tell Luke(in the film). It doesn't seem like the Organas told Leia.
I did a little research and it seems to support as well as hurt my point. My point is supported because the line "your REAL mother" is in there because in the actual script, Obi-wan tells Luke that Leia had two foster parents. This scene was cut from the movie.
It hurts my point because it has by the pen of GL that Luke knows it before hand. Although, in the same cut scene, Obi-wan also tells Luke that Owen is HIS brother and not Anakin's!
Originally posted by queeq
And do your mother's twin girls also wonder if they had different mothers? *sigh*THe cave isn;t taht hard, it's all there: it's a domain of evil (quoting Yoda) and all you meet there is what youcreate by what you bring with you. It's like a Dark Side mirror thingy or something. He brings in weapons to defend himself from evil, he gets something to defend against. In the end, the Dark Side domain is nmothing more than fighting your dark self. Very nice that Vader is also his father, but in teh end Luke was fighting his own demon: Vader, source of his fear. And fear leads to the Dark Side.
no no no. its not about the weapons. its not a physical test. "only what you take with you" means emotional baggage (did I spell that right?). He takes in his combatative nature, the weapons do work as a physical symbol of that, but are not the catalyst for what he sees. Read Joseph Campbell's "Power of Myth" transcripts. He goes into it really well. Changed my whole view on it. Lucas also said a trimmed down version of what Campbell said on his DVD commentary for ESB.
So, Luke takes in his combatative nature, which stems from fear and agression, his own fear and aggression manifests as Vader, because that's what Luke sees as aggressive towards him and its what he fears. Luke then cuts down the symbol of fear and aggression, only to have the apparition reveal that his greatest enemy is actually himself.