juggs far stronger than doomsday?? not a chance. comparable, perhaps. far stronger - impossible. hulk and juggs are too close to call. supes is stronger than hulk. doomsday is stronger than supes. how do you get 'far stronger' out of that?
and even though darkseid is not what he once was, he's still pretty damn tough. i really can't see darkseid knocking juggs out, but i don't think juggs would come close to knocking darkseid out. can't say what effect the omega beams would have on juggs - that would be very interesting. obviously if they worked, juggs would be dead. otherwise, darkseid would need a plan of some sort. he's certainly smarter than marko, and would find a way to win.
yes i know the voters decided. but they've matched up MANY times in x-crossovers. supes has simply too many powers - besides being hulk's equal in strength - ah, skip it. i refuse to get into a supes/hulk debate. fact is supes and hulk are VERY close (i assume you'll AT LEAST concede that obvious fact?), and juggs and hulk are VERY close (another obvious fact). doomsday is STRONGER than supes, therefore juggs sure as hell isn't FAR stronger than doomsday! you can claim he's close all you like and i'll not debate the point. but don't tell me he's FAR stronger. it's quite simply not true.
i agree doomsday might be stronger than juggernaut, although, the thing with the dc/marvel strength levels are messed up. everything should go by the marvel scale, 100 tons, doomsday, superman would all be under that. Juggernaut i believe can lift probably more than superman, as can the hulk, due to the fact that, they are supposed 2 be massive powerful, strong characters. i just got the thor issue with juggernaut, and juggernaut, clearly is stronger than thor, hulk is stronger than thor, Thor is clearly equal in strength to superman. So Juggernaut should be in there with the Hulk, and doomsday.
Darkseid will win this fight, not by physical force, he will some how manage to get rid of the juggernaut some how, weither teleporting him away or using some mind device. his intelligence is his advantage
Thats cause of the marvel/dc scale. if superman was in marvel he would be 100 tons+ doesnt mean he peaks at 100 tons. The big misconception is that marvel characters cant lift more, then 100 tons, when they are able 2 lift just the same as dc characters. Like i said Thor is equal 2 superman in strength, it has been argued many a time before. Juggernaut and Hulk are both stronger than thor, Doomsday is sorta like a combined version of juggernaut and Hulk. Has qualities similar to both those characters. Just because Dc likes 2 show supermans, feats of strength often, doesnt mean, the marvel heavy hitters cant do the same. The hulk has also lifted a aircraft carrier he has also shattered mountains with his fists(i just picked up the Hulk Incredible Guide, really awesome book) Juggernaut and hulk are equals.
Originally posted by savagerampage
Thats cause of the marvel/dc scale. if superman was in marvel he would be 100 tons+ doesnt mean he peaks at 100 tons. The big misconception is that marvel characters cant lift more, then 100 tons, when they are able 2 lift just the same as dc characters. Like i said Thor is equal 2 superman in strength, it has been argued many a time before. Juggernaut and Hulk are both stronger than thor, Doomsday is sorta like a combined version of juggernaut and Hulk. Has qualities similar to both those characters. Just because Dc likes 2 show supermans, feats of strength often, doesnt mean, the marvel heavy hitters cant do the same. The hulk has also lifted a aircraft carrier he has also shattered mountains with his fists(i just picked up the Hulk Incredible Guide, really awesome book) Juggernaut and hulk are equals.
The problem is that Superman is maxed out around one to two million tons. In terms of strength, Thor isn't equal to Superman. He's around Captain Marvel's level. Which is weaker. Hulk at base strength isn't at Superman's level. Juggs is nowhere near Superman's level strength.
Credit to RedWolf:
JLA: World War Three story-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system. Once again it dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon System.
In Superman: The Earth Stealers, Superman propelled a massive space station, cylindrical in shape and stated to be 600 miles in diameter (the length of the cylinder, judging by the depiction, had to have been about 2500 miles ) by pushing against it. The weight was inestimable- it was constructed from all the natural resources gleaned from an entire solar system. A hyperspace portal was opened and Superman not only pushed it, he propelled it for 20 minutes through hyperspace (it was stated that they reached the halfway point at 10 minutes). He had to exert the power to move it at the same time that he had to deal with the stresses of hyperspace unprotected.
JLA #77: Superman contains a black hole in the palm of his hand for an undisclosed amount of time. Later, he produces static electricity sufficient to be "corralled" by Green Lantern John Stewart into containing the black hole. Superman then launches the black hole into a neighboring wormhole.
Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a full throttle countermeasure in resistance Supermans push. We can see WarWorlds engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorlds surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorlds; engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed.
Luthor 2000 special: Superman split one of Saturns moons with a single strike.
Juggernaut or Hulk or Thor doesn't have this level of strength. Doomsday was STRONGER than Superman. So Juggs and Hulk are NOWHERE near DD's level of strength.