Draco thats because, dc likes to show there characters doing things of that nature. i mean look at crossovers a bad example but, superman cant even beat venom! a guy who moves planets cant beat a guy who moves tanks? I believe if marvel wanted 2 do the same with there characters, Juggernaut, Hulk, Thor would be able to do the same. The funny thing is Most people in the comic world say that thor is above superman, They say there strength levels are the same. Even people from Dc say superman and thor are evenly matched. Thor gets smoked by Hulk and Juggernaut. Also Juggernaut,Hulk,thor they have never showed a limit when it comes to strength. And i can honestly say, they are in the same league as superman, doomsday.
Originally posted by savagerampage
Draco thats because, dc likes to show there characters doing things of that nature. i mean look at crossovers a bad example but, superman cant even beat venom! a guy who moves planets cant beat a guy who moves tanks? I believe if marvel wanted 2 do the same with there characters, Juggernaut, Hulk, Thor would be able to do the same. The funny thing is Most people in the comic world say that thor is above superman, They say there strength levels are the same. Even people from Dc say superman and thor are evenly matched. Thor gets smoked by Hulk and Juggernaut. Also Juggernaut,Hulk,thor they have never showed a limit when it comes to strength. And i can honestly say, they are in the same league as superman, doomsday.
Crossovers are bull****. You and I know that. Thor got owned by Superman in the JLA/Avengers storyline. So obviously Thor would lose to Venom right?
Their strength levels aren't the same. It's fact. The trio aren't at Superman's strength. Hulk has the POTENTIAL to be at his strength however it requires significant anger.
<<First of, Juggernaut is NOWHERE near Doomsday strength. Not even close. Superman can lift one million tons. Doomsday is stronger than him. Juggs doesn't have that luxury.
And I wonder if the Omega Effect will work on Jugs...>>
thanks draco. that's what i was trying to tell him. i do think savagerampage as a point with the strength discrepancies between marvel and dc though. i agree wholeheartedly with you that doomsday is stronger than juggs, but in a x-crossover, i'm betting it would be a hellafight. a perfect example for what i'm saying is the captain marvel discussion we had the other day.
you informed me that CM has a PORTION of hercules's strength, but with that PORTION he is equal to (perhaps a little less) than supes. by that reasoning, with only a portion of herc's strength he can literally lift millions of tons. but marvel's hercules (among marvel's strongest characters) is nowhere near that level. and yet, in the x-crossover, thor (whom is equal to, perhaps a little LESS than hercules) was easily the equal of CM - probably stronger! and thor has shown to be supes's equal. the literal translation of their physical powers doesn't work. i think you've got to look at from a broader viewpoint - namely marvel and dc's strongest heroes are all very close. it's been borne out time and time again any time they've met.
Well i know crossovers are Bullshit, but i said thats a bad example. Spiderman has beaten superman, and hulk did school supes ass before 2.
But the companies operate on a different level. If they had one unified company, then my friend, i can guarentee you, the trio there would be in the same strength level as doomsday superman etc.
Its just cause marvel doesnt showcase feats of strength like that very often. It seems to unrealistic, if u can even say that in comics
<<Its just cause marvel doesnt showcase feats of strength like that very often. It seems to unrealistic, if u can even say that in comics>.
that was actually a point i meant to add. back in the day, marvel always prided themselves on being the more 'real' comic. hence peter parker is a poor, geeky student, banner is the unfortunate then tortured scientist, etc . . . they tried to 'humanize' their heroes in a way no one had done before. one of the ways - make their feats not so extraordinary and hence, more 'believeable'.
and though i agree x-crossovers are often poorly done, they ARE - and will remain - our only true measuring stick. but you and i are in agreement - were there one universe, they would, indeed, all be in a similar class - though doomsday would be somewhere above all of the aforementioned heroes.
you all dont get it, when marvel gives stats in strength, theyre max that they are going to go is 100 tons, thats not stating that the characters can only lift a 100 tons, thats the furthest theyre going to go on lifting scale. On the scale on marvel 1-7 it has juggernaut and hulk at 7 the max. They both have no limits in there strength, juggernaut strenght is unlimited, as for hulk, if you dont believe me go to this site.
http://uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596
it simply states that juggernaut strength, invulnerability and endurance is unlimited, he cant be stop or has a strength level. whatever doomsday can lift juggernaut can lift, whatever superman can lift juggernaut can lift. Thousands of superman and doomsday fans are going to say that the site was lying they dont know what theyre talking about with juggernaut strength because everybody on this site knows more than marvel and dc writers, yeah right. All that darkseid has juggernaut has except the omega affect but you all seem to forget that juggernaut has a force field that could cancel that out. Juggernaut is the most invulnerable beings in any universe, please dont forget that, its a need to know.
"First of, Juggernaut is NOWHERE near Doomsday strength. Not even close. Superman can lift one million tons. Doomsday is stronger than him. Juggs doesn't have that luxury.
And I wonder if the Omega Effect will work on Jugs..."
once again!!!!! draco's right on the money!
"I agree with every other intelligent poster here stating Juggs is out classed here....a more fair fight would be dead squirl vs plastic bag."
hahahahahahaha 😂
Originally posted by Draco69HAHAHAHA that is an awesome simile
Under 100 tons? You're joking right? Superman once lifted a friggin aircraft carrier. Those weigh thousands of tons.Superman can lift one million tons. Juggs can't do that. Thor isn't equal strength to Superman. His max is around 200,000 tons at most.
jinzin every where i go youre there and you always dont know what youre talking about. how could you say that doomsday or darkseid is stronger than a being who has immeasurable strength. juggernaut can lift whatever he wants. In one comic where he was destroying a city and the x-men came trying to stop him, the guy lifted a 80 story sky scrapper off the ground with little effort, shaking it, that sounds more than a 100 tons to me. Colossus lifted a submarine out of the sea and was carrying it with 1 arm a submarine weighs between 500 to 1000 tons and juggernaut is way stronger than colossus. If you dont believe that juggernaut strength has no limit go here:
http://uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596
or
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=96.