Darkseid vs. Juggernaut

you're missing the point...it's the kitty pride thing all over again.....for instance: kitty pride could take out some incredibly deadly foes by phasing them into the ground but she can't beat wolverine because she has a weakness to adamantium.... agreed?

and to answer your question, yes...he has numerous magician-characters under his rule for a reason...

Did 'seid use the O beams on Doomsday?

yep...he found them quite useless though as doomsday literally laughed them off...

but dc DID leave itself a slight 'out' for darkseid when darkseid told dd that no one has ever survived the o-effect from point blank range. course, he never had a chance to find out.

is it me, or is darkseid used as a plot device more than anyone this side of galactus . . .?

it's definitely not you...that's for sure...

Originally posted by jinzin
you're missing the point...it's the kitty pride thing all over again.....for instance: kitty pride could take out some incredibly deadly foes by phasing them into the ground but she can't beat wolverine because she has a weakness to adamantium.... agreed?

and to answer your question, yes...he has numerous magician-characters under his rule for a reason...

Well I pointed out a fact, and I explained it. Theoretically, this is what could happen to the Omega Beams/Effect:

It could happen. Then again it might not. Darkseid's magicians aren't in this fight, it's Darkseid VS. Juggernaut. No one else. Read the thread 📖

Darkseid wins via teleportation. If Darkseid thinks he has to prove to himself he's physically superior to Juggernaut by battling him toe to toe, he will be proven wrong.

Originally posted by Sentry
Well I pointed out a fact, and I explained it. Theoretically, this is what could happen to the Omega Beams/Effect:

It could happen. Then again it might not. Darkseid's magicians aren't in this fight, it's Darkseid VS. Juggernaut. No one else. Read the thread 📖

Darkseid wins via teleportation. If Darkseid thinks he has to prove to himself he's physically superior to Juggernaut by battling him toe to toe, he will be proven wrong.

ummmm I never said that it couldn't happen...I simply stated that using the fact that superman got whacked with a magic hammer isn't quite as reasonable in an argument against darksied because that's one of superman's most showcased weaknesses, not darksied's.... it's really not hard logic to follow...(kitty pride thing) apparently someone else needs to read the thread ahem...

and I didn't state his magicians ARE in this fight....you asked how well darksied fares against magically empowered people and I told you...where you got "darksied's magicians could take juggy" from...I have no idea...🙄

I agree his omega effect probably won't work....I already said juggy's shield would most likely hold up....and I agree that he could win via telportation....

I however, DO think that darksied would easily be able to hold his own in a h2h contest.... once he becomes bored of it he uses the omega beams....end of story....and when I say uses the omega beams I think you misunderstand...I mean teleport juggy away with them...not disintigrate him...

i still wonder if darkseid could rip off juggs helmet and blast him in the face with the omega effect - it can be used as a psionic attack as well as a disintegration and teleportation attack. if he couldm darkseid crushes him, and i really can't think of a logical reason he COULDN'T do this . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
i still wonder if darkseid could rip off juggs helmet and blast him in the face with the omega effect - it can be used as a psionic attack as well as a disintegration and teleportation attack. if he couldm darkseid crushes him, and i really can't think of a logical reason he COULDN'T do this . . .

If Juggernaut doesn't want Darkseid near him, he could just put up one of those impermeable forcefields. He could use it to block the Omega Effect, too.

<<If Juggernaut doesn't want Darkseid near him, he could just put up one of those impermeable forcefields. He could use it to block the Omega Effect, too.>>

but hasn't juggs had his helmet ripped off in the past? didn't logan cut it off once? and i was under the impression the force field was ALWAYS up, and that his helmet had been torn off anyway. no?

Originally posted by leonidas
<<If Juggernaut doesn't want Darkseid near him, he could just put up one of those impermeable forcefields. He could use it to block the Omega Effect, too.>>

but hasn't juggs had his helmet ripped off in the past? didn't logan cut it off once? and i was under the impression the force field was ALWAYS up, and that his helmet had been torn off anyway. no?

It isn't. It's possible to take off the helmet if the forcefield isn't up.

huh. learn something new everyday . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
huh. learn something new everyday . . .

Yeah. Nothing can even get near him when the force field is up.

Yeah, no one has ever took Juggy's helm while forcefield is active, in the comics its just not shown when he turns it on and off........

Even if Juggs is hurt, or his skin is blown off, he'll keep coming. He is the Unstoppable Juggernaut.

Angered by Cain's interruption while he was opening the gateway D'Spayre tells Cain it's time for his final chapter to be written and blasts Cain painfully with a shot of Cain's own despair. But Juggernaut says his despair is nothing new and that he wasn't going to fall because he can deal with his despair by getting mad. This only serves to anger D'Spayre further and he commands Cain to die as he uses his new god-level powers to cruelly strip The Juggernaut's very flesh(and armor) from his bones and dissolve every organ from his body. But even despite this Cain still steadfastly refuses to give up and keeps coming. Standing now amazingly as nothing but a crimson skeleton The Juggernaut says that when he feels rage that nothing can stop him and continues onward undeterred. Cain reaches D'Spayre,grabs him by the collar and lifts him off the ground to look him dead in his eyes. D'Spayre's jaw drops in disbelief at this impossible display and the shocked D'spayre understandibly wonders how Cain's skeleton can even move since there is nothing left. Cain informs him that there was something left:hate

Look at the pics. He's battling God Like D'spayre:

Get's all his skin ripped off and still lives:

Again like I said before, if Darkseid goes toe to toe with Juggernaut to prove he's stronger than Juggs, Juggs will prove him wrong.

Darkseid has telepathy, which would work if Jug's leaves his shield down. And seeing how much of a dumbass he is, he probably would.

But Sentry's right, anyone even Darkseid is going to lose after a while against juggy in a h2h physical fight.

well yeah darksied would lose eventually..I just don't think it would be anytime soon...and I do think that according to darksied's character alone..he would either figure out that h2h wasn't working (he's pretty smart...I common give him some credit here..lol), or he would get bored and send juggy away...if warpath can fight juggernaught for an entire day...I'm fairly confident that darkseid could easily do the same....I mean common the guy goes toe to toe with supes...and need I remind you of the showcased feats that were already described? he should, and would easily hold his own...

Darkseid is just a good a fighter as his two sons Kalibak and Orion, he can hold his own with damn near anyone.
I was just saying, after a while, he'd lose in a h2h fight.

But, he'd probably never do that seeing he can teleport him away.

it would take literally days before juggy secured his advantage....no way darksied isn't getting bored, or wasting that much time....

Originally posted by Draco69
Under 100 tons? You're joking right? Superman once lifted a friggin aircraft carrier. Those weigh thousands of tons.

Superman can lift one million tons. Juggs can't do that. Thor isn't equal strength to Superman. His max is around 200,000 tons at most.