Re: Why Prayers Aren't Answered.
Originally posted by debbiejo
[B]Been reading a new book, The Isaiah Effect.
I got a better book. It's called Isaiah. It has the answer to the question you asked on this thread.
"Your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear."
Isaiah 59:2
What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. 🙂
Re: Re: Why Prayers Aren't Answered.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
I got a better book. It's called Isaiah. It has the answer to the question you asked on this thread."Your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear."
Isaiah 59:2
What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. 🙂
😱 😆 You can't be separated from God. 🙄
I got a better book. It's called Isaiah. It has the answer to the question you asked on this thread."Your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear."
Isaiah 59:2
What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
GOD is a dick, i see. Why does he hide his face? Why doesnt he hear our prayers? Why do we need to wash our sins in the blood of Jesus (so gross 😘 ) when GOD is supposed to be all-powerful and perfectly good? No need for GOD the Son, Jesus, to be nailed to the cross.
GOD is a dick i tell you.
Originally posted by Templares
GOD is a dick, i see. Why does he hide his face? Why doesnt he hear our prayers? Why do we need to wash our sins in the blood of Jesus (so gross 😘 ) when GOD is supposed to be all-powerful and perfectly good? No need for GOD the Son, Jesus, to be nailed to the cross.GOD is a dick i tell you.
You are a little extreme. 😱 😆
Originally posted by Templares
GOD is a dick, i see. Why does he hide his face? Why doesnt he hear our prayers? Why do we need to wash our sins in the blood of Jesus (so gross 😘 ) when GOD is supposed to be all-powerful and perfectly good? No need for GOD the Son, Jesus, to be nailed to the cross.GOD is a dick i tell you.
LMAO!
James 1:5-7
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
It seems that there are requirements as to how to ask and character of the person asking. If there are requirements as to how to ask and the character of the one asking then it is entirely possible that there are limits on what is acceptable to be asking for.
I would give my children anything. If something isn't good for them I don't give it to them. I don't see the two as necessarily conflicting. Perhaps similar is true of God's answering of prayers.
Originally posted by Regret
James 1:5-7
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.It seems that there are requirements as to how to ask and character of the person asking. If there are requirements as to how to ask and the character of the one asking then it is entirely possible that there are limits on what is acceptable to be asking for.
I would give my children anything. If something isn't good for them I don't give it to them. I don't see the two as necessarily conflicting. Perhaps similar is true of God's answering of prayers.
It's nice to see someone on the same pages... 😎
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
It's nice to see someone on the same pages... 😎
Thanks. I didn't read the entire thread. I hope I didn't state the exact same thing someone else did. Just reading the last few posts, figured they hadn't read much of the other areas of the Bible discussing this topic.
Originally posted by Regret
...I would give my children anything. If something isn't good for them I don't give it to them. I don't see the two as necessarily conflicting. Perhaps similar is true of God's answering of prayers.
That is close to what I believe. If I chant (pray) for poison, I will not receive poison. I should receive the ability to see what I am asking for is poison, but that is up to me.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So when poor people pray for money food or shelter, when a person with HIV prays for a cure...etc.etc.etc. and their prayers are unanswered.....God's doing what's best for them? 🙄
Beats me, maybe it is. Maybe giving them what they want would change the way things are supposed to be, I don't really know. As far as money, food, shelter goes, I don't plan on giving my kids a car, they have to get one on their own. Besides if God gave everyone those things how could he turn to us and say hey you that has something why the hell didn't you help them out. If we'll be around for eternity this life isn't long enough to say it's a horrible thing. As far as prayers for cures and such of things like AIDS, I'd have to believe they don't have the faith to be cured, I wouldn't have the faith to believe it would happen. But it's possible it is God doing what's best for them, I dunno.
Originally posted by Regret
Beats me, maybe it is. Maybe giving them what they want would change the way things are supposed to be, I don't really know. As far as money, food, shelter goes, I don't plan on giving my kids a car, they have to get one on their own. Besides if God gave everyone those things how could he turn to us and say hey you that has something why the hell didn't you help them out. If we'll be around for eternity this life isn't long enough to say it's a horrible thing. As far as prayers for cures and such of things like AIDS, I'd have to believe they don't have the faith to be cured, I wouldn't have the faith to believe it would happen. But it's possible it is God doing what's best for them, I dunno.
1. Wouldn't you think that if a person wiht AIDS prayed to your god, the easiest way for them to gain faith in god was to have their prayers answered?
2. It is still a horrible thing. Its like saying "oh, we only tortued you for a few hours...youll be fine...you have the rest of your life." Its still goddang torture.
3. Maybe its best if you die...because thats what you're saying to people with HIV/AIDS. (the first part is not my honest opinion, but its one that should be pointed out)
Most importantly, you claim that your god answers prayers, but then says he only answeres the prayers of the faithful and only if its the way it wants things to be. That invalidates your arguement. According to what you siad, god would make theings the way he thinks is right anyway, reagardless of what his faithful pray for. Therefore, he does not answer prayers.
Originally posted by Alliance
Thats non-sensical and not a real answer. Basically you are stating that you can't back up your opinon about prayers being answered.
Basically it is saying that my belief doesn't necessitate an answer. And I don't really care as to the reasons. Why prayers aren't answered really seems a stupid question. If good is defined by being like God, then his reasons for not answering those prayers are good.
Besides my answer was
Originally posted by Regret
Beats me, maybe it is.
Originally posted by Alliance
1. Wouldn't you think that if a person wiht AIDS prayed to your god, the easiest way for them to gain faith in god was to have their prayers answered?
I don't think having prayers answered necessarily leads to faith in God. I also believe God uses science to do the things he does. If their prayer was answered it would be explained away using science. So, no answering their prayer would not necessitate an increase in faith.
Originally posted by Alliance
2. It is still a horrible thing. Its like saying "oh, we only tortued you for a few hours...youll be fine...you have the rest of your life." Its still goddang torture.
Life is torture. He should kill us all off and send us to Heaven. People use God and the Devil as the reasons for how life is, or complaining that God hasn't fixed everything. I don't know why everything happens, but I don't know if the bad things happening are really bad in the grand scheme of things.
And yes, sometimes pain is the best way. Someone with necrosis in their leg is much better off getting it cut off than letting it stay and infect the rest of the body. It still seems like a horrible thing to do, especially if that guy was a runner.
Originally posted by Alliance
3. Maybe its best if you die...because thats what you're saying to people with HIV/AIDS. (the first part is not my honest opinion, but its one that should be pointed out)
Maybe it is, I don't know. Do you? People argue this all the time. People never want to die, but if nobody ever died the world would be a bit crowded. It's part of life, no one gets to choose when.
Originally posted by Alliance
Most importantly, you claim that your god answers prayers, but then says he only answeres the prayers of the faithful and only if its the way it wants things to be. That invalidates your arguement. According to what you siad, god would make theings the way he thinks is right anyway, reagardless of what his faithful pray for. Therefore, he does not answer prayers.
And as I said, like myself God is a father. I typically expect my children to ask for what they want, or they may never get it. Sure every now and then I'll give something to them, no request presented, but over the course of their life the requests will result in more of the things they want. Also, I know how I plan on raising my kids, regardless of what they want I will make sure it follows the path as I want it to. The only impediment is that they can do things that make me unable to help them at times. Some kids decide to goof off at school, do drugs, various things that make it difficult for me to help them out, not because I don't want to, but because they have made it so I can not.
This does not invalidate my argument, it just means that sometimes life is a pain in the ass, regardless of what we pray for.
Originally posted by Regret
Beats me, maybe it is. Maybe giving them what they want would change the way things are supposed to be, I don't really know. As far as money, food, shelter goes, I don't plan on giving my kids a car, they have to get one on their own. Besides if God gave everyone those things how could he turn to us and say hey you that has something why the hell didn't you help them out. If we'll be around for eternity this life isn't long enough to say it's a horrible thing. As far as prayers for cures and such of things like AIDS, I'd have to believe they don't have the faith to be cured, I wouldn't have the faith to believe it would happen. But it's possible it is God doing what's best for them, I dunno.
Ah...Regret my freind, where to begin ?
1) The way things are supposed to be...so you beleive in Destiny? Or free will?
2) So let me get the cure to HIV on my own....let me create my own food and steal my own money when im poor on the street......God shouldn't spoil me with such privelages such as food, water, health and shelter 🙄
3) This Life matters more than anything, because it is all we know to be true. The afterlife could be a myth for all we know, and even if the afterlife is not a myth it does not lessen this life any more. GOD...this is so sickening......try being a starving child in Africa, and THEN say that life's suffering isn't THAT bad..... 🙄
4) People with AIDS don't have enough faith? So how much faith do you have to have? A little doesn't pay off? So the more faith you have, the more God will give a shit, and then use his "magic" to cure your illness? That's the most common excuse Christians ever give.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
4) People with AIDS don't have enough faith? So how much faith do you have to have? A little doesn't pay off? So the more faith you have, the more God will give a shit, and then use his "magic" to cure your illness? That's the most common excuse Christians ever give.
not only that, but people with AIDS as a collective do not have enough faith to will god to present a cure, even through science. 😆
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ah...Regret my freind, where to begin ?1) The way things are supposed to be...so you beleive in Destiny? Or free will?
I believe that if there is a God, then yes, he has some plan he'd like life to follow yes. Doesn't mean we can't screw it up in some way.
2) So let me get the cure to HIV on my own....let me create my own food and steal my own money when im poor on the street......God shouldn't spoil me with such privelages such as food, water, health and shelter 🙄
Basically yeah, if he does not give us these things maybe they would not necessarily help mankind achieve whatever plan he has.
3) This Life matters more than anything, because it is all we know to be true. The afterlife could be a myth for all we know, and even if the afterlife is not a myth it does not lessen this life any more. GOD...this is so sickening......try being a starving child in Africa, and THEN say that life's suffering isn't THAT bad..... 🙄
the question on the thread implies he exists, if he doesn't then who cares about prayers? I didn't say it wasn't bad, I said compared to an eternity that isn't as bad, it is not. That isn't making light of the suffering going on. I speaking hypothetically from the point of an eternal existence
4) People with AIDS don't have enough faith? So how much faith do you have to have? A little doesn't pay off? So the more faith you have, the more God will give a shit, and then use his "magic" to cure your illness? That's the most common excuse Christians ever give.
I don't believe people believe it'll happen. Not level of faith in God. Their belief that a cure would happen.