Apocalypse vs Magneto

Originally posted by maxam00
I know that we're to believe that magneto "perhaps", the most powerful mutant on the planet. Except if you toss off Franklin Richards since he is technically the baddest. However, for a guy so powerful, he's been laid out many times by weaker foes. the telepath stuff didn't exactly help him when Prof X shut him down. Of course, he was killed by Wolverine( then not killed), but I'm betting Wolverine couldn't take Apocalypse down. Didn't Mags get stalemated by Iceman waaay back when he was doing the snowman and carrot nose bit? I put guys who don't need to breathe or eat and can survive in space above those who can't. As for the AoA, we never really get to see what Apocalypse could do. he pretty much just hung around taking most of the series. plus, that was an alternate time lost reality. It's not like it was real time Marvel Universe , like the one where Black Cat can beat Sabretooth to a pulp, but he can handle Wolverine with no problem. See that's the problem with Marvel. They have no consistency.

agreed maybe Apocalypse and Magneto take turns on who wins or they do rock paper scissors before every brawl 😆

And like I said, for Magneto is said most powerful mutant, but not beacuse he really is but most pwoerful mutant (he is legendarry and everyone almost follows him, he has many mutants behind his back, wathcing his back, much more than any other mutant). Yes, he got stalemated with Iceman, so we could say Iceman is powerful as Magneto (but we know he isn't, peope aren't objective).

Isn't Apocalypse still a pretty smart guy without prep time? I mean he's up there with Reed, Doom and possible Thanos. He's learned from the celestials stuff he stole. It only takes a second to dodge Magneto for hsi mind to start working. Magneto's not exactly beaten any real heavy hiters in his time. HBut Magneto needs time to concentrate to be able to rip him apart. His force bubble may or may not be able to stand against Apocalypses might. Also, the most powerful mutant claim is kinda iffy, since he's been beaten by guys like

Apocalypse: I am the alpha mutant...I was choose to lead my people into the next stage of creation...I am immortal...I am invincible...I am evolution...I am...YOUR TRUE SAVIOR...I am APOCALYPSE! and buy my video game Xmen legends 2 rise of the Apocalypse for all major consoles.

Originally posted by maxam00
Isn't Apocalypse still a pretty smart guy without prep time? I mean he's up there with Reed, Doom and possible Thanos. He's learned from the celestials stuff he stole. It only takes a second to dodge Magneto for hsi mind to start working. Magneto's not exactly beaten any real heavy hiters in his time. HBut Magneto needs time to concentrate to be able to rip him apart. His force bubble may or may not be able to stand against Apocalypses might. Also, the most powerful mutant claim is kinda iffy, since he's been beaten by guys like

And I think with consitent writing, proper writing, Magneto can't kill Apocalypse, no doubt. (hell if all inhumans and X-Factors couldn't hurt him, hell Magneto can't hurt him).

true...logically a writer would have a easiler time having Apoc beat Mags
Magneto beating Apoc would be like Jubilee beating Silver Surfer...as you read it you'd be like what in the f**k is this writer smoking. 😆 😱

Originally posted by Mainstream
true...logically a writer would have a easiler time having Apoc beat Mags
Magneto beating Apoc would be like Jubilee beating Silver Surfer...as you read it you'd be like what in the f**k is this writer smoking. 😆 😱

i'm ok with people stating their opinions and all but this is waaaaaaaaaay over the top (funny, but completely not true, and a new member might think you actually believe that).

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Xplosive
GS, it was said Apocalypse in AOA was much weaker, they even put him in class 90. I see poeple voted 8 for Apocalypse and 4 for Magneto 😉.
Apocalypse is far beyond Magetno, far. Marvel has Apocalypse as more powerful being. And like I said, don't think too one sided, think objectivly, I foudn out that this forum is always lacking objective vision, sorry, but including you. And GS think now objectivly, Apocalypse is some occasion wasn't hurt by all inhumans and X-Factor combined (Black Bolt was also among them), and he was hurt not even close against High Evolutionary (rememebr High Evolutionary), and than he was hurt, actully killed by 50 % powerd Magneto in AOA, and you GalacticStorm know that 50% Magnetoo is not worth mentioning in power wise (like I said, not close worht mentioning) agiasnt all inhumans and X-Factors. And you know what, if Magneto would be helping to those inhumans and X-Factors, they would still be useless and wouldn't able able to hurt him. Apocalypse is more powerful than Magneto. Apocaypse is written many times weak, in weak state, and some times powerful. Gambit vol. 3 # 3 it was mentioned that a Celestial came down to Earth and took the human form of Garbha Sien, the External Saul, and became an Asian conquerer, and Apocalypse defeated the Celestial, making him helpless (who had shown he still had his powers), wounded him badly, and took his ship, which became his. I think Marvel has Apocalypse in higher league than Magneto.

Where does it say apocalypse is just class 90? Thats absolute rubbish made up by yourself just to support your argument. AOA apocalypse is just the same as mainstream apocalypse in terms of powers. Yet he still got his as* torn up by a weak magneto.

Also a magneto with only half of his power is still powerful and still very dangerous. Before his recent upgrade a few months ago, Magneto was still enormously powerful and able to singlehandedly take out teams such as the Xmen and the Avengers.

Your logic is so play school sometimes it really is. You of all people can hardly criticise my way of thinking. That is quite laughable.

Just because Apocalypse apparently(because you havent given references) defeats a team with black bolt on the roster doesnt mean anything. Black bolt can only power himself to class 60. Strength wise hes not much more than rogue. Also black bolt has to constantly restrain his powers. If he cut loose in this battle you talk of dont you think he would have destroyed both opposition and team mates alike. A whisper from him can shatter mountains for Gods sake 🙄 You think objectively Xplosive and look past your love for Apocalypse.

Also on to the celestial taking the form of an external. Despite a celestials great power, doing so would imbue the celestial with the weaknesses inherent in such a form. Meaning that it could be killed in the same way any other external could be.

I know it's part of Apoc's power to grow in size considerably. However, shaping his arms into guns, etc. etc. that's part of merging with the celestial technology right? Also, that includes nanobots entering his bloodstream and basically changing him upon his desire right? Now...couldn't a non weakened Magneto simply rip those nanobots out of Apoc's body? After all, he did it to wolverine's adamantium, and doing it on a molecular level to the nanobots may require more concentration, but he might be able to pull it off. Comments? yes? no? maybe?

~wickerman~

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where does it say apocalypse is just class 90? Thats absolute rubbish made up by yourself just to support your argument. AOA apocalypse is just the same as mainstream apocalypse in terms of powers. Yet he still got his as* torn up by a weak magneto.

Also a magneto with only half of his power is still powerful and still very dangerous. Before his recent upgrade a few months ago, Magneto was still enormously powerful and able to singlehandedly take out teams such as the Xmen and the Avengers.

Your logic is so play school sometimes it really is. You of all people can hardly criticise my way of thinking. That is quite laughable.

Just because Apocalypse apparently(because you havent given references) defeats a team with black bolt on the roster doesnt mean anything. Black bolt can only power himself to class 60. Strength wise hes not much more than rogue. Also black bolt has to constantly restrain his powers. If he cut loose in this battle you talk of dont you think he would have destroyed both opposition and team mates alike. A whisper from him can shatter mountains for Gods sake 🙄 You think objectively Xplosive and look past your love for Apocalypse.

Also on to the celestial taking the form of an external. Despite a celestials great power, doing so would imbue the celestial with the weaknesses inherent in such a form. Meaning that it could be killed in the same way any other external could be.

No help (you are talking about love, making PF as icnarantion of TOAA, hahaha). Anyway, Apocalypse withstand (it was Marvel Dictionary, something like that, that said in AoA Apocalypse was class 90) not only Black Bolt, fought wtih High Evolutionary, beat Celestial (not coincidence and since it was said in X-Factor 68 for first time Apocalypse powers belongs in cosmis class, he backed that up that pretty good), he is above Magento, no doubt.

I believe it's possible but it's not like Apocalypse is gonna just sit there and not blast, shot, kick slap, throw, hurl or head butt magneto

Simply put without prep time in a straight out battle Apocalypse would lose against current Mags. Apocalypse is powerful but not on that level at all. His strength lies in his schemes and technology.

As for the telepath stuff not helping Magneto. What the hell do you expect? Magneto has minimal telepathic abilities enabling astral projection and, the ability to influence minds weaker than his own but thats it. Hes no proper telepath. He can resist telepathic control but thats it. He was going against the most powerful telepath on the planet at the time. Xavier was being ruthless and intended to shut down Mags' mind. The same thing would hav happened to apocalypse or any other non cosmic being on earth.

Phoenix telepathically restrained Apocalypse in The Search For Cyclops so there you go. She would have had a much harder job doing so with Mags and thats not debatable.

In Cable 1, 2, and 5 and X-Men 23 it mentions Apocalypse exists in all realities/timelines at once (all 3 written by Fabien Nicieza).
Also, in The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix (by Scott Lobdell), it mentions Apocalypse is a force like the Phoenix Force, and possesses bodies, but keeps on burning them out because he keeps on evolving past his old self and keeps on growing more powerful. In X-Men 98 (Alan Davis/Terry Kavanaugh) it mentions that Apocalypse's current Cyclops body is just a minor manifestation, and the bulk of what he is exists outside time and space, though that body doesn't know it; and X-Men 98, and Uncanny X-Men 378 had him saying he had the powers of the 12 when he didn't as Xavier stated to Apocalypse in X-Men 98, and Apocalypse manipulated all of reality and reshaped it twice.

whoa.....

Originally posted by Wickerman
I know it's part of Apoc's power to grow in size considerably. However, shaping his arms into guns, etc. etc. that's part of merging with the celestial technology right? Also, that includes nanobots entering his bloodstream and basically changing him upon his desire right? Now...couldn't a non weakened Magneto simply rip those nanobots out of Apoc's body? After all, he did it to wolverine's adamantium, and doing it on a molecular level to the nanobots may require more concentration, but he might be able to pull it off. Comments? yes? no? maybe?

~wickerman~

No, Apocalypse can completely control his body, so no.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No help (you are talking about love, making PF as icnarantion of TOAA, hahaha). Anyway, Apocalypse withstand (it was Marvel Dictionary, something like that, that said in AoA Apocalypse was class 90) not only Black Bolt, fought wtih High Evolutionary, beat Celestial (not coincidence and since it was said in X-Factor 68 for first time Apocalypse powers belongs in cosmis class, he backed that up that pretty good), he is above Magento, no doubt.

You cant be that stupid please tell me you aint. 🙄

I never made Phoenix the incarnation of TOAA in our plane of existence. Marvel did. Its in the comics laid out for all to see. You got a problem wiv that? Take it up with Marvel otherwise your meaningless comment is ignored and swatted to the side.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Simply put without prep time in a straight out battle Apocalypse would lose against current Mags.
Phoenix telepathically restrained Apocalypse in The Search For Cyclops so there you go. She would have had a much harder job doing so with Mags and thats not debatable.

First, he wouldn't lose (not Apocalypse who apered in X-Factor 68), and current Mags is upgraded Mags (Apocalypse is though to be still dead, wait for Apocalypse upgrade).
It's not debetableo, because she would restrain Magneto much easier.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You cant be that stupid please tell me you aint. 🙄

I never made Phoenix the incarnation of TOAA in our plane of existence. Marvel did. Its in the comics laid out for all to see. You got a problem wiv that? Take it up with Marvel otherwise your meaningless comment is ignored and swatted to the side.

Marvel never did that, it did say PF is secnd to TOAA. I hope you ar not that stupid, cause it's hard man. 😘

Originally posted by Xplosive
In Cable 1, 2, and 5 and X-Men 23 it mentions Apocalypse exists in all realities/timelines at once (all 3 written by Fabien Nicieza).
Also, in The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix (by Scott Lobdell), it mentions Apocalypse is a force like the Phoenix Force, and possesses bodies, but keeps on burning them out because he keeps on evolving past his old self and keeps on growing more powerful. In X-Men 98 (Alan Davis/Terry Kavanaugh) it mentions that Apocalypse's current Cyclops body is just a minor manifestation, and the bulk of what he is exists outside time and space, though that body doesn't know it; and X-Men 98, and Uncanny X-Men 378 had him saying he had the powers of the 12 when he didn't as Xavier stated to Apocalypse in X-Men 98, and Apocalypse manipulated all of reality and reshaped it twice.

Everybody is considered to exist in all realities/timelines at once. As for the same as Phoenix Force crap....that's just crappy writing. Apocalypse is a freekin mutant that stole celestial technology. Phoenix was part of the Big Bang and is said to be the force that will destroy the Universe and let a new one rise from its ashes. Apocalypse can't keep 12 freekin mutants under control.
As for manipulating and reshaping reality, you should talk to Wanda 😄 She does it without even realizing, in her sleep 😄

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
Everybody is considered to exist in all realities/timelines at once. As for the same as Phoenix Force crap....that's just crappy writing. Apocalypse is a freekin mutant that stole celestial technology. Phoenix was part of the Big Bang and is said to be the force that will destroy the Universe and let a new one rise from its ashes. Apocalypse can't keep 12 freekin mutants under control.
As for manipulating and reshaping reality, you should talk to Wanda 😄 She does it without even realizing, in her sleep 😄

~wickerman~

X-Men 378 had him saying he had the powers of the 12 when he didn't as Xavier stated to Apocalypse in X-Men 98, and Apocalypse manipulated all of reality and reshaped it twice.