Originally posted by Xplosive
GS, I am pretty sure you know that Franklin Richards (Psi-Lord and Psi-Lord generating his anti-matter universal Big Bang on panel) destroyed an alternate universe and shown universal destroying powers.
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ISSUE
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This is like the 3rd or 4th time I'm asking you. I'd like to have it as a reference.
Originally posted by zopzop
Except for the fact that Ziran himself withstood the blast, yet Eternity and other higher level abstracts were sent flying. Why? Because Eternity stating on panel that this was only a representation of him and not his actuality or the blast wouldn't have done anything (they were ALL M-bodies).
God your stupid. He wanted to end the trial. That's why he attacked and was shocked when someone actually had the power to stop him.
Warlock wasn't trying to kill them. The LT couldn't shut down the Gems without Adam's consent and was determining during the Trial if he could even force them from his hand. Nothing else was shown on panel.
No sh!t he wasn't trying to kill. That's obvious captain Obvious. He was trying to end the trial but was stopped. If he could've over powered the Tribunal, then why not continue the assault after getting nulled? lol
And the LT fled from Korvac and was blasted apart by Reed. The IG was blown off Rune's hand by the freaking Silver Surfer and Nemesis itself was stabbed by the Black Knight.
What relevance is this to the Tribunal? He didn't get smash into a billion pieces. This is the only point you have against the Tribunal and it's nothing considering Korvac did nothing. Korvac could kill the Tribunal even with the UN if he wanted. As for Rune and Surfer, so what? What's your point here? Rune isn't the brightest bulb. Even Nebula an idiot had trouble with Strange because she was an idiot who didn't know how to use her powers properly until some time. Black Knight served the connection of the gems. lol
Wow! You got all that from a PORTION of the LT's face on panel? Is your name Ms Cleo?
No, but your a noob. Hello noob. So you have no proof the Protege moved him huh? Thought so.
The LT was surpassed and Scathan saved the day by muzzling him and then restraining him while the LT passed judgment as he secretly stole power from the Eye of Agamotto (and was caught out!).
Where does it say in the book Scathan saved the day? I recalled him taking orders. As for the Eye, what's your point? The LT can tap into mystical forces as shown in his first appearance. This is in addition to his own powers. You're too slow noob. It's just another ability of his.
This is shown on panel and confirmed by the handbook.
Shove your handbook. He wanted to usurp TOAA's rule, not the Tribunal's. Scathan didn't save all reality. He muzzled the kid and took orders from the Tribunal who then absorbed the kid him.
Two alternate universe versions of the PF have been shown destroying a universe on panel. The LT has NEVER been shown destroying anything greater than a star on panel.
lol. So wait, the Phoenix Force never destroyed a universe. See, I knew you'd come to your senses.
Ok, then Mr. Master was lying too when he stated that it was Rachel Summers crying and begging God for help while the Beyonder was killing the New Mutants? Because it's CLEARLY not Rachel but Wolfsbane.
WTF does this have anything to do with GS' deceitful scan? So because MM is a fault therefore GS is off the hook. You're such a tool.
Has he EVER been shown on panel replacing one universe with another? This should be easy since the character has been around for 40+ years. Go find me the scan.
He's the Tribunal of the multiverse. Do you want to compare the number of books out there and how many of them are about space? And how many of these space books have appearances of the abstracts? And how many of these appearances are about the Tribunal? WTF would he be doing replacing universes all the time for? How many books can you count where circumstances called for a universe to be replace? lol. You're so dumb that the dial goes up to 11.
They were RETCONNED on panel from creators to architects. Then according to the handbook, guardians. Architects <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Creators, and this is assuming you ignore the handbooks.
lol at this point. On panel it says right there that they battle of existence and the whole thing was a play. It's referring to DC vs Marvel where they destroy and recreate two megaverses. Them being architects of realities doesn't change their fight. They don't have to be creators to destroy and bring back megaverses. What are you smoking. This is your best attempt at an argument? Since when does being architects prevent them from destroying realities? I guess the U.N. is a creator and that's why it can destroy realities? WTF
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Where does it say in the book Scathan saved the day? I recalled him taking orders. As for the Eye, what's your point? The LT can tap into mystical forces as shown in his first appearance. This is in addition to his own powers.
I do remember that in handbook it was said that it was Scathan who saved all realities (not only reality).
But if we look, it was Scathan and Living Tribunal that defeated Protege.
Scathan muzzled or restrained him, LT did his job. It was the duo (plus EOTA) that defeated him.
If not for Living Tribunal, Scathan wouldn't finish the job, if not for Scathan, Living Tribunal wouldn't muzzle him. It was the duo together that finished him.
Originally posted by zopzop
Oh yeah, he "murdered" the PF and absorbed it alright. Oh and he had ALL of it 😆Uploaded with ImageShack.us
He murdered most of their avatars noob. Where did I say he murdered the Force? lol But he did absorb the PF and used it to his liking until Rachel came saved the day.
And that scan is some kind of gay attempt at humor? Rachel saved the day by attacking Vulcan's mind. Vulcan commits suicide and the Force is released once again. Jean/PF takes Vulcan's soul under her wings. The whole time Vulcan had the PF power he absorbed and used to his will. Your scan means nothing.
Except it was STATED ON PANEL by the LT himself that making that star go nova was his ultimate judgment! Show me on panel, him destroying ANYTHING greater than a star and I'll leave this thread forever.
On panel it's states that Thanos is afraid of Hulk. On panel, Odin is said to be omnipotent. Who cares if you leave this thread? You're a noob that I enjoy laughing at. Please stay and tell me more about how the nova incident is LT's greatest on panel feat and then ignore how Dweller in Darkness was afraid of him as the flares on his hand could've destroyed galaxies.
No, I'm just not bothering with it because hearing you cry is getting annoying. 616, all What Ifs, and alternate earths are part of the greater multiverse (stated by Marvel Official info). That means two of those universes CEASED to exist because the PF destroyed them.Now show me the LT destroying, creating, replacing a universe on panel anywhere.
Now show me? lol such a demanding noob. The PF has never destroyed a universe. The end. Neither has destroyed a universe so what's your point? Oh right, that you need What Ifs to argue your point otherwise you have none.
So when has the PF destroyed a universe? Show me. lol And don't bring up What Ifs now okay? I don't want to "believe" in the PF power and try to use those feats as proof then get shot down by the entire board or moderator because these feats aren't relevant to the PF. Hahaha, go ahead noob. You show me that proof first. Oh, so now you see why the LT or other abstracts don't have instances where they go around destroying universes.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]God your stupid. He wanted to end the trial. That's why he attacked and was shocked when someone actually had the power to stop him.No sh!t he wasn't trying to kill. That's obvious captain Obvious. He was trying to end the trial but was stopped. If he could've over powered the Tribunal, then why not continue the assault after getting nulled? lol
Warlock isn't Thanos. He knew ultimately, that he had to give up the power, that it wasn't meant for him. The LT couldn't take the IG from his hands, ON PANEL he was deliberating whether he could even if he wanted to. ON PANEL, he couldn't shut down the gems without the wielders consent.
What relevance is this to the Tribunal? He didn't get smash into a billion pieces. This is the only point you have against the Tribunal and it's nothing considering Korvac did nothing. Korvac could kill the Tribunal even with the UN if he wanted. As for Rune and Surfer, so what? What's your point here? Rune isn't the brightest bulb. Even Nebula an idiot had trouble with Strange because she was an idiot who didn't know how to use her powers properly until some time. Black Knight served the connection of the gems. lol
All characters have low showings (even the IG). The difference between the PF and the LT is at least the PF has very nice on panel high feats. Aside from the star nova feat, the LT has NOTHING.
No, but your a noob. Hello noob. So you have no proof the Protege moved him huh? Thought so.
No one knows for sure what happened "movement" wise. All we had on panel was a PORTION of his face.
Where does it say in the book Scathan saved the day? I recalled him taking orders. As for the Eye, what's your point? The LT can tap into mystical forces as shown in his first appearance. This is in addition to his own powers. You're too slow noob. It's just another ability of his.Shove your handbook. He wanted to usurp TOAA's rule, not the Tribunal's. Scathan didn't save all reality. He muzzled the kid and took orders from the Tribunal who then absorbed the kid him.
I wish I could shove the handbook straight up your nostrils into your gray matter, maybe it would sink in then. On panel, Scathan muzzled and then restrained the Protege while the LT had to steal power from the Eye of Agamotto to pass judgment on him. It was spelled out in the handbook so even simpletons would understand what transpired.
lol. So wait, the Phoenix Force never destroyed a universe. See, I knew you'd come to your senses.
No, it DID destroy TWO universes (that I'm aware of). I'm still waiting on the LT scans.
[quoteWTF does this have anything to do with GS' deceitful scan? So because MM is a fault therefore GS is off the hook. You're such a tool.
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GS could have been MISTAKEN! Ever think of that?
He's the Tribunal of the multiverse. Do you want to compare the number of books out there and how many of them are about space? And how many of these space books have appearances of the abstracts? And how many of these appearances are about the Tribunal? WTF would he be doing replacing universes all the time for? How many books can you count where circumstances called for a universe to be replace? lol. You're so dumb that the dial goes up to 11.
The fact that you have 40 YEARS of history behind this character and you can't come up with jacks**t feats wise tells me a lot. Aside for the star going nova, you got nothing on panel. Just talk.
lol at this point. On panel it says right there that they battle of existence and the whole thing was a play. It's referring to DC vs Marvel where they destroy and recreate two megaverses. Them being architects of realities doesn't change their fight. They don't have to be creators to destroy and bring back megaverses. What are you smoking. This is your best attempt at an argument? Since when does being architects prevent them from destroying realities? I guess the U.N. is a creator and that's why it can destroy realities? WTF
Them being architects changes EVERYTHING hence why it's called a RETCON. Architects design and oversee the construction of their designs. They are not creators, HUGE difference. This fact isn't lost on you, but you are so desperate for LT feats you're willing to latch on to this and ride it out as far as you can. The Handbooks even say they were further reduced to mere guardians.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]He murdered most of their avatars noob. Where did I say he murdered the Force? lol But he did absorb the PF and used it to his liking until Rachel came saved the day.And that scan is some kind of gay attempt at humor? Rachel saved the day by attacking Vulcan's mind. Vulcan commits suicide and the Force is released once again. Jean/PF takes Vulcan's soul under her wings. The whole time Vulcan had the PF power he absorbed and used to his will. Your scan means nothing.
The only thing "gay" here is your reading comprehension skills. Even before Rachel mindlinked with Vulcan, Jean as the PF was controlling things behind the scenes. Nothing happened without her permission. She was the one that saved Havok/Rachel with the stargate when they were about to get annihilated. She was the one that saved Scott and crew when Vulcan wanted to blast them into oblivion.
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On panel it's states that Thanos is afraid of Hulk. On panel, Odin is said to be omnipotent. Who cares if you leave this thread? You're a noob that I enjoy laughing at. Please stay and tell me more about how the nova incident is LT's greatest on panel feat and then ignore how Dweller in Darkness was afraid of him as the flares on his hand could've destroyed galaxies.
Maybe Thanos WAS afraid of the Hulk. Odin may as well be omnipotent, his feats dwarf most anyone else in all Marvel. WOW! The Dweller in Darkness was afraid of the LT? The flares of his hands could destroy galaxies?! Sick! Because this isn't hyperbole! No sir, we've seen the LT destroy galaxies on panel with nothing more than the sparks from his hands!
Now show me? lol such a demanding noob. The PF has never destroyed a universe. The end. Neither has destroyed a universe so what's your point? Oh right, that you need What Ifs to argue your point otherwise you have none.So when has the PF destroyed a universe? Show me. lol And don't bring up What Ifs now okay? I don't want to "believe" in the PF power and try to use those feats as proof then get shot down by the entire board or moderator because these feats aren't relevant to the PF. Hahaha, go ahead noob. You show me that proof first. Oh, so now you see why the LT or other abstracts don't have instances where they go around destroying universes.
See? 15 pages of nothing but talk. You can't produce anything on panel so you result to insults and babble.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't know the issue. Here he generates Big Bang:There was also when he actually destroys it, but can't find it.
I cant read the second scan because the link opens up a window saying "bad gateway" however if memory serves me doesnt Franklin throw the anti matter charged slab of rock at his opponent and say "Big Bang"?
If thats the case thats merely a reference to the resultant big bang sound from the matter exploding. It wasnt an actual Big Bang because those are universal creating events. Franklin merely charged up some rock and referenced the sound of the explosion. A play on words.
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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingSo when has the PF destroyed a universe? Show me. lol And don't bring up What Ifs now okay? I don't want to "believe" in the PF power and try to use those feats as proof then get shot down by the entire board or moderator because these feats aren't relevant to the PF. Hahaha, go ahead noob. You show me that proof first. Oh, so now you see why the LT or other abstracts don't have instances where they go around destroying universes.
Are you serious?
Jean on panel manipulated the atoms of 616 in her palm. She materialized them and had total control over it and all its matter. You dont need to see her blow up that universe to know she could from that feat. At least try and mask your complete lack of objectivity 🙄
Simply blowing apart a universe is faaaaaar less impressive than having total control over all of the matter and energy that a universe is comprised of in her palm.
Furthermore are you forgetting how on panel as also referenced by the handbook, jean grey just a mere host of the phoenix force destroyed not just a universe, but the entire Here Comes Tomorrow timeline. 150 years of time wiped out casually in seconds on panel and all referenced in the alternate universes handbook released back in 2005.
So you have on panel and in handbooks:
references that state that the firebird is just an avatar of the Force
That hosts such as Jean and Rachel are inhabited by just these avatars
that these avatars can be blown to bits, shattered, used as fuel and just merge immediately on panel if that is their wish
Of Jean destroying 150 years of timeline casually
Jean manipulating 616 (and therefore all the puny abstracts and other cosmics) in her palm
the Phoenix Force itself connecting all realities of existence to Otherworld
The Force containing the power of the M'kraan crystal which swallowed the multiverse that Galan came from and created the new one
The Force being recognised as a multiversal entity now. Which has many interesting implications for its various What If appearances 😄
Thats all for now Witchqueen
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Force being recognised as a multiversal entity now. Which has many interesting implications for its various What If appearances 😄Thats all for now Witchqueen
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Exactly!
IF (according to on panel evidence and backed up by handbooks) -
[list]The multiverse consists of 616, all What If universes and alternate Earths
There is only ONE M'krann Crystal and it exists in every universe in the multiverse simultaneously
The M'krann Crystal is home to the Neutron Galaxy and the White Hot Room
The White Hot Room is the PF's home plane[/list]
Then
[list]EVERY alternate universe appearance of the PF is valid for high and low showings.[/list]
Originally posted by Xplosive
Actually about Korvac, it was bigger feat disconnecting an Universe from the Multiverse.
About judgment and causing supernova, that was only how far was LT willing to go, nothing more.
Quick question, was Korvac even trying to escape his universe? If no, How do we know he couldn't have done it if he never even made an attempt?
Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly![b]IF
(according to on panel evidence and backed up by handbooks) -[list]The multiverse consists of 616, all What If universes and alternate Earths
There is only ONE M'krann Crystal and it exists in every universe in the multiverse simultaneously
The M'krann Crystal is home to the Neutron Galaxy and the White Hot Room
The White Hot Room is the PF's home plane[/list]
Then
[list]EVERY alternate universe appearance of the PF is valid for high and low showings.[/list] [/B]
Precisely.
That would explain why Jean just one of the many hosts the Phoenix Force empowers has the ability to destroy timelines and manipulate very casually the atoms of an entire universe in her palm and the Phoenix Force itself can contain the multiversal energies of the M'kraan crystal, feats exponentially greater than a universal power.
I'm just glad its multiversal nature has been referenced in its latest handbook entry 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStormHere's the entire event (which is from Fantastic Force #12, zopzop)...
I cant read the second scan because the link opens up a window saying "bad gateway" however if memory serves me doesnt Franklin throw the anti matter charged slab of rock at his opponent and say "Big Bang"?If thats the case thats merely a reference to the resultant big bang sound from the matter exploding. It wasnt an actual Big Bang because those are universal creating events. Franklin merely charged up some rock and referenced the sound of the explosion. A play on words.
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As Psi-Lord is hurling an anti-matter bomb at Vangaard, he tells his cohorts to 'brace themselves for the Big Bang':
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Despite the implications of that statement, it was never actually mentioned that a universe/dimension was destroyed by the subsequent explosion -- just that "space/time itself had been torn asunder":
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And though it doesn't specifically apply to the above instance, Psi-Lord's "universe shattering" power was mentioned by Diablo a few issues later (Fantastic Force #17):
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Originally posted by zopzop
Quick question, was Korvac even trying to escape his universe? If no, How do we know he couldn't have done it if he never even made an attempt?
LT just assured he doesn't escape.
And thanks Galan for help. I knew I didn't imagine it.
But I thought it was different. I thought once was the case when Psi-Lord caused some chain reaction with his own power and an actual universe was destroyed.
Well, it's still something.
@Mr Master
What's with the facepalm? Was he even trying to escape that universe? Was it ever mentioned that he wanted out? Was he even aware he was supposedly sealed in? Even as the LT sealed up the universe he was telling the abstracts if they have means to escape they should use it. Order and Chaos decided to stay because they felt they owed it to Eternity and other universes have their own versions of Order and Chaos.
@Xplosive
LT just assured he doesn't escape.
How do we know he couldn't though? The LT thought he could kill him by making the Sun go nova and we all know how that turned out. Call me skeptical.
@Galan007
Thanks for the scans.
Originally posted by zopzop
How do we know he couldn't though? The LT thought he could kill him by making the Sun go nova and we all know how that turned out. Call me skeptical.
Well, we didn't see him escape so we can say he couldn't. Someone like Korvac who wanted more and more power, it's logical he would want more, thus Living Tribunal sealing him.
The point is also that using power to disconnect an universe from a Multiverse is far greater power than using power to make sun go nova.
I mean, Galactus destroyed three solar systems when weakened and we know Galactus also looks Living Tribunal as the highest.
Just look how Galactus reacts when facing Phoenix Force and how to Living Tribunal. Huge difference.
What Korvac did, didn't endanger the balance of the Multiverse, that is why Living Tribunal was only willing to go as far as he did go.
It wasn't necessary to do anything different.
