Dark Phoenix vs Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by Galan007
Here's the entire event (which is from Fantastic Force #12, zopzop)...

As Psi-Lord is hurling an anti-matter bomb at Vangaard, he tells his cohorts to 'brace themselves for the Big Bang':
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Despite the implications of that statement, it was never actually mentioned that a universe/dimension was destroyed by the subsequent explosion -- just that "space/time itself had been torn asunder":
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And though it doesn't specifically apply to the above instance, Psi-Lord's "universe shattering" power was mentioned by Diablo a few issues later (Fantastic Force #17):
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Only one thing Galan,

Diablo, who was disguised as an old bum but also escaped that cosmos,
witnessed the "big bang" explosion that tore "space/time" asunder in the Vanguaard arc.

We can assume he guaged Psi-Lord's power according to what he witnessed,
and that is a "space/time" destroying blast.
(space + time r the essentials that make up a reality as we know)

Anyone is free to interpret/believe what they wish,
but imo, Diablo witnesses Psi-Lord's power (#12)
and then several issues later (#17) states what level of power he sees in Psi-Lord.

Now where Diablo came up with that estimate can be speculated upon,
but what we know for sure is that he saw first hand Psi-Lord's power at work,
and then his next appearance he's telling us about Psi-Lord's level of power in his opinion,
an opinion that could only have originated from what he saw only a few issues ago.

dark phoenix wins in her sleep.

^^ ... In her "sleep?" ... I agree. Since one can do anything in their own sub-conscious. 🙂

Now on the field of actual battle (like in reality)

Wanda wins effortlessly ...

... far easier than the Alien ship that nearly killed the Force,
... far easier than Xorn who shattered the Force into billions of pieces,
... far easier than the Shiar who ripped the Force back to reality to shatter it yet again,
... far easier than Galactus' instrumentation that nearly erased the Force,
... and definitely far easier than the 6 battered heroes who stalemated a "reborn/fresh" Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by Galan007
Despite the implications of that statement, it was never actually mentioned that a universe/dimension was destroyed by the subsequent explosion -- just that "space/time itself had been torn asunder":
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7355/franky3.jpg

^ Imo the scene itself, along with the subsequent character statements, allude to a universe/dimension being destroyed. However, the fact still remains that such was never specifically stated.

...And to be fair, time and space can be ripped/torn/frayed/etc. without a universe being destroyed in the process. For instance, the aftermath of Black Bolt and Vulcan's battle left a parsecs-wide hole in space/time -- yet it didn't pose an immediate threat to the universe:

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... In her "sleep?" ... I agree. Since one can do anything in their own sub-conscious. 🙂

Now on the field of actual battle (like in reality)

Wanda wins effortlessly ...

... far easier than the Alien ship that nearly killed the Force,
... far easier than Xorn who shattered the Force into billions of pieces,
... far easier than the Shiar who ripped the Force back to reality to shatter it yet again,
... far easier than Galactus' instrumentation that nearly erased the Force,
... and definitely far easier than the 6 battered heroes who stalemated a "reborn/fresh" Phoenix Force.

Sweet now let's list all the times the Scarlet Witch has been owned. Oh wait, you're were just being a troll.

Originally posted by Galan007
[B] For instance, the aftermath of Black Bolt and Vulcan's battle left a parsecs-wide hole in space/time -- yet it didn't pose an immediate threat to the universe:

A) Thanks for the scans, again

B) Good grief. Marvel 🤨 is going on? Vulcan and Black Bolt trail of destruction was "several pasecs wide"? ONE parsec is 206265 AU aka 3.26 light year aka 19,163,909,394,247.99 MILES. Vulcan and Black Bolt throwing down did more damage to the Universe than the combined might of the Cosmics vs Thanos with the IG!

**** you Marvel. 😠 😘

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Imo the scene itself, along with the subsequent character statements, allude to a universe/dimension being destroyed. However, the fact still remains that such was never specifically stated.

...And to be fair, time and space can be ripped/torn/frayed/etc. without a universe being destroyed in the process. For instance, the aftermath of Black Bolt and Vulcan's battle left a parsecs-wide hole in space/time -- yet it didn't pose an immediate threat to the universe:

But it was still urgent enough that Maximus looked for a solution to stop the expansion of the fault until Adam stepped in and halted it by channeling the faith of the UTC. That fault was going to swallow up the universe.

Vulcan and Black Bolt owns Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Vulcan and Black Bolt owns Living Tribunal.

Yup. But why does Marvel and there writers insist that the Tribunal is the highest cosmic in the Mu is confusing. Maybe they're doing it for sh!t and giggles?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
But it was still urgent enough that Maximus looked for a solution to stop the expansion of the fault until Adam stepped in and halted it by channeling the faith of the UTC. That fault was going to swallow up the universe.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's why I said it was implied that his blast destroyed a universe -- it just wasn't specifically stated.

Oh no biggie to me. I wasn't discussing Franklin.

Originally posted by zopzop

Sweet now let's list all the times the Scarlet Witch has been owned.

HOM Wanda was owned (or even remotely defeated) ... uhm ... never!

Wait, never? ... ✅ ..

(heck, the Omniversal guarding made it seem like Wanda was a danger to something beyond the Omniverse)

"The Ascension" ... (like Heaven? .. GOD?) hm!

HOM Wanda recreated the 616 Reality in her image,
while simultaneously tearing the rest of the Omniverse to pieces via her chaos wave.
She then put the entire Omniverse back to normal via a thought.

Originally posted by zopzop

Oh wait, you're were just being a troll.

PS. Learn the meaning of the term "troll" before using it .... asshead.

... just like you should learn about the stories you're vainly trying to debate in.

@Mr Master. You'll have to excuse me for this since I don't know the issues involved... but several people have pointed out that SW had something to do with a nexus or something? increased her power? honestly i haven't exercised much into her powerlevels since hearing about this... but i'm not really sure how much pis is involved now.

Originally posted by rotiart

@Mr Master. You'll have to excuse me for this since I don't know the issues involved... but several people have pointed out that SW had something to do with a nexus or something? increased her power?

This basically means that under the right circumstances
this individual can channel all energy that's connected to and fro.

For Wanda, madness did the trick.

Originally posted by rotiart

honestly i haven't exercised much into her powerlevels since hearing about this...

but i'm not really sure how much pis is involved now.

HOM was simply the flood gates opening up concerning said potential.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... hmm ... let's see ...

HOM Wanda was owned (or even remotely defeated) ... uhm ... [b]never!

Wait, never? ... ✅ ..

(heck, the Omniversal guarding made it seem like Wanda was a danger to something beyond the Omniverse)

"The Ascension" ... (like Heaven? .. GOD?) hm!

Wasn't she comatosed by Prof X and Dr Strange? Weren't they debating killing her?

HOM Wanda recreated the 616 Reality in her image,
while simultaneously tearing the rest of the Omniverse to pieces via her chaos wave.
She then put the entire Omniverse back to normal via a thought.

Isn't this feat debatable? GS provided scans showing that the nexus point for the whole Chaos Wave fiasco was Exacilbur's lighthouse.

Oh wait,
you were just being an ignorant child following an intransigent comedy at work.

PS. Learn the meaning of the term "troll" before using it .... asshead.

... just like you should learn about the stories you're vainly trying to debate in.

Troll :

One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

These are your very first posts in this thread :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=13053705
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=13053708
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=13053711
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=13053713

You were trolling GS but he wisely ignored you and now you're trolling me.

Speaking of "learn about the stories", shouldn't you go back and correct your "Respect the Beyonder" thread? I already pointed out to you that it wasn't Rachel Summers crying, but Rahne aka Wolfsbane.

Originally posted by zopzop

Wasn't she comatosed by Prof X and Dr Strange?

That was Dr Strange who k.o'd her, and it wasn't HOM Wanda.

That was pre-hom, who was already powerful but not quite.

That aside, he never (via power) k.o'd pre-hom Wanda,
what he did was show Wanda via the Eye of Aggy what Wanda had done,
like killing her own friends, this depressed Wanda so greatly that fell unconscious.

Originally posted by zopzop

Weren't they debating killing her?

Wanda increased X's power just by X being in the same country as her,
heck, she amped Genis' potential allowing him to blink a universe in and out of existence.

Killing her? ... Strange was nothing to Wanda, and X was even less.

Originally posted by zopzop

Isn't this feat debatable? GS provided scans showing that the nexus point for the whole Chaos Wave fiasco was Exacilbur's lighthouse.

GS didn't bring anything of consequence to light.
Even if Wanda's chaos wave used the path of the Nexus to reach all realities,
it was her power that crashed all realities, NOT the Nexus.

That aside,
but I can bet GS will not mention how Wanda (with a thought)
re-created the torn Omniverse. (no Nexus this time)

Originally posted by zopzop

Troll :

Originally posted by zopzop

These are your very first posts in this thread :
You were trolling GS but he wisely ignored you and now you're trolling me.

Originally posted by zopzop

Speaking of "learn about the stories", shouldn't you go back and correct your "Respect the Beyonder" thread? I already pointed out to you that it wasn't Rachel Summers crying, but Rahne aka Wolfsbane.

Is this all you got?

Originally posted by Mr Master

GS didn't bring anything of consequence to light.
Even if Wanda's chaos wave used the path of the Nexus to reach all realities,
it was her power that crashed all realities, NOT the Nexus.

It was a spillover of her warp. A warp by her own admission she couldnt control as stated on a few occasions during the House of M story arc:

The warping of reality was done with the aid of Pietro for emotional support and Professor Xaviers psi powers to co-ordinate her own. Wanda could barely control it, it was an intense effort.

The out of control reality warp effect leaked through the dimensional doorway of Excaliburs lighthouse, colliding with Otherworld. Given Otherworlds connection to all realities in existence thanks to the Phoenix Force, there was a domino effect.

Given that:

the Chaos Wave was only made possible possible by Wanda going above and beyond her capabilities to bring about HOM, resulting in her out of control energies manifesting as the Chaos Wave

that the Chaos Wave never directly caused wide scale damage but only triggered a domino effect

and that the Wave itself was easily stopped by sub herald characters

Your Wanda = supreme being fantasies are pretty much hot faecal matter shit 😆

Originally posted by Mr Master
That aside,
but I can bet GS will not mention how Wanda (with a thought)
re-created the torn Omniverse. (no Nexus this time)

Oh you do make me laugh kid. Are you actually serious?

Either youre dumb, playing dumb or you think we're all dumb.

Let me do away with this dump you were spreading in my long absence.

Wanda re-created the torn omniverse did she? And where exactly in a Marvel comic did that happen? 😕

I take it youre referring to this scan:

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hmmm?

Let me begin 🙂

The scan did NOT say that the Chaos Wave fixed reality. It says the wave shook up reality and that reality later fixed itself. The subject matter of the statement is the omniverse/continuum, it says the omniverse was shaken up by the wave, then everything was put back.

Your mistake was in interpreting that the Chaos Wave did this when the subject matter of the entire page is the omniverse and what happened to it.

You made an illogical assumption given that the wave as stated was a mindless, destructive force and thats all it ever was depicted as. Furthermore there is a precedence for reality trying to fix itself after the damage done by the Chaos Wave:

Reality corrects itself all the time. This particular scan refers to REALITY correcting itself after the damage done by the Chaos Wave so its directly related to your scan.

You misinterpreted.

No surprises there 😱 😂

Sup Witchqueen. I see you up there. What you got for me? 😱 😂

Whats the off topic debate about now?