The Anti-Monitor vs. the Marvel Universe.

<<the debating was going well for awhile, gee... what the hell happened>>

well then why didn't you get in on the other 5 pages?? everyone pretty well everything they had to say. thread was winding down.

<<the thing that all seem to NOT realize is that AM destroyed countless billions of universes save a few before they were all destroyed leaving only the inhabitants of three to battle him.>>

actually i did say that. about 4 different times. didn't work to convince anyone more for you than it did for me. i agree with most of what you said though. too bad you DIDN'T join in earlier! but one thing galacticstorm said that i MEANT to mention earlier - gs, you mentioned that PF can tap power from future generations - AM did the same thing. he absorbed/destroyed countless 'future' universes. and something else i've pondered - if his 'antimatter' power was so great, i wonder if, as he destroyed the universes, if he wouldn't simultaneously be destroying that part of the PF that resides in each of those universes. i thin that has a weird logic. each universe he absorbed, he would grow stronger, while at the same time he would be obliterating the PF and making it weaker and weaker! just like he did to the monitor. and destroying a portion of the PF is not without precedent - goblin force did it, though on nowhere near the scale. nothing in the dc universe could withstand his power, perhaps he would devour the PF as well . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
<<the debating was going well for awhile, gee... what the hell happened>>

well then why didn't you get in on the other 5 pages?? everyone pretty well everything they had to say. thread was winding down.

<<the thing that all seem to NOT realize is that AM destroyed countless billions of universes save a few before they were all destroyed leaving only the inhabitants of three to battle him.>>

actually i did say that. about 4 different times. didn't work to convince anyone more for you than it did for me. i agree with most of what you said though. too bad you DIDN'T join in earlier! but one thing galacticstorm said that i MEANT to mention earlier - gs, you mentioned that PF can tap power from future generations - AM did the same thing. he absorbed/destroyed countless 'future' universes. and something else i've pondered - if his 'antimatter' power was so great, i wonder if, as he destroyed the universes, if he wouldn't simultaneously be destroying that part of the PF that resides in each of those universes. i thin that has a weird logic. each universe he absorbed, he would grow stronger, while at the same time he would be obliterating the PF and making it weaker and weaker! just like he did to the monitor. and destroying a portion of the PF is not without precedent - goblin force did it, though on nowhere near the scale. nothing in the dc universe could withstand his power, perhaps he would devour the PF as well . . .

Anti-Monitor might be too much for any Avatars.

But Lt Like I said he will wave his hand and bye bye monitor.

absorbed/destroyed countless universes bla bla bla it doesn’t matter when facing LT

someone said he can take on Pre-c Beyonder – there is no f@cking way.

Originally posted by manjaro
thats just the thing A. AM exists in his own universe B. thats exactly how they tried to defeat him. after he went to the dawn of time to remake reality thats where all of them went to face him, you know that place youve seen in earlier GL comics with a giant hand with a galaxy swirling in the middle? and Am was all like ill do this and that ill be all powerful and bla blah blah, then boom spectre confronted him and was no match for him then all the magic users both hero and villain forming a circle and holding hands transfered thier power into spectre and it still wasnt enuff.

lastly reversing time woudlnt do her any good cuz this guy is over ten billion years old, she would have to go back to when he was created to erase him and doing so would undoubtedlychange the history of everyone else including her friends and loved ones becuase who knows if one person from one of the universes he destroyed werent the one that was going to do a drive by on jean's parents or something....you know get what im saying? its not like its a small insignificant thing like going back in time to turn the faucet on to see what effect it would have on the future

As phoenix of the white crown jean is more powerful than any enemy AM would have faced. The Spectre wasnt at full power when he faced AM as he later admitted and is probably the reason why he needed a boost from all of the magic users. As for your reversing time counter. Its void. The phoenixes are regulated by the Voice(TOAA apparently) they survey all of existence from the white hot room which contains it. They can see potential outcomes and that is how they know when exactly to enter our plane of reality to carry out their phoenix work and what consequences they will have. Jean is a higher being now. Just as Jean knew exactly what she was doing when she reversed the 616 universes timeline without breaking a sweat if she chose to defeat him by doing the same thing she would know in that situation also, exactly what she was doing.

At the end of the day AM amassed the majority of the power of a multiverse however that still doesnt place him on equal footing to the being that created it. The phoenix is also one with all of its creation who is to say that jean could not reclaim this stolen power? AM was very powerful however he is no match for phoenix or LT who unlike his DC equivalent Spectre always remains at a supreme power level.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<the debating was going well for awhile, gee... what the hell happened>>

well then why didn't you get in on the other 5 pages?? everyone pretty well everything they had to say. thread was winding down.

<<the thing that all seem to NOT realize is that AM destroyed countless billions of universes save a few before they were all destroyed leaving only the inhabitants of three to battle him.>>

actually i did say that. about 4 different times. didn't work to convince anyone more for you than it did for me. i agree with most of what you said though. too bad you DIDN'T join in earlier! but one thing galacticstorm said that i MEANT to mention earlier - gs, you mentioned that PF can tap power from future generations - AM did the same thing. he absorbed/destroyed countless 'future' universes. and something else i've pondered - if his 'antimatter' power was so great, i wonder if, as he destroyed the universes, if he wouldn't simultaneously be destroying that part of the PF that resides in each of those universes. i thin that has a weird logic. each universe he absorbed, he would grow stronger, while at the same time he would be obliterating the PF and making it weaker and weaker! just like he did to the monitor. and destroying a portion of the PF is not without precedent - goblin force did it, though on nowhere near the scale. nothing in the dc universe could withstand his power, perhaps he would devour the PF as well . . .

Well not really Leo i see what your trying to do there but as i believe Cosmic C said, when we're doing a marvel vs DC battle we have to let it occur on some sort of middle ground. The universes AM absorbed had nothing to do with Phoenix, he would not be absorbing its power or destroying part of it at all. It would be the jean at her full power Vs AM with his amassed power which as i have said before isnt enough because it wasnt the power of a whole multiverse and even if it was AM would just be wielding the power of a similar level to a creation of the Phoenix. Thats still not equal footing. Good try tho. 😄

Of course Phoenix would handle AM.

<<Of course Phoenix would handle AM.>>

oohhhh, now i'm convinced . . .

and gs, i'm still not sure my theory is all that implausible. if it were ME doing the writing . . .

hehhe

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Of course Phoenix would handle AM.>>

oohhhh, now i'm convinced . . .

and gs, i'm still not sure my theory is all that implausible. if it were ME doing the writing . . .

hehhe

<<hand waving techinque by LT.>>

hand waving technique by leo to kg . . .

🙂

Good Lord. Talk about successful thread. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
<<hand waving techinque by LT.>>

hand waving technique by leo to kg . . .

🙂

Just cuz he sucked non-living universe makes him able to beat LT.

lol

<<Good Lord. Talk about successful thread.>.

ya, this was actually a fun one. well, expcept for kg's unwavering love affair with LT and gs's . . . uncomfortable affair with the ^%$#@! PF.

i'm glad digi started it.

heheh. 🙂

and you're conspicous with your NON-reply, draco. both sides have thrown around some good arguments. what do you think or starter of good threads recently?

I really don't have an opinion. Cosmic level characters have never been nor never will be my forte. Too much to remember.

I think that Anti-Monitor would win though. He destroyed entire universes. What's one more?

Originally posted by Draco69
I really don't have an opinion. Cosmic level characters have never been nor never will be my forte. Too much to remember.

I think that Anti-Monitor would win though. He destroyed entire universes. What's one more?

Well this one just happens to be guarded by beings who despite his amassed power are greater still. He is no match for Jean. Read the thread to find out why. LT would take him also.

<<I think that Anti-Monitor would win though. He destroyed entire universes. What's one more?>>

talk to galacticstorm and kg about THAT one . . .

Man GalacticStorm you must be the biggest fanboy in this place i mean is there a bigger fan boy? Your comic knowledge is limited to one single Character im sure that if someone only read X-men comics they would think that They are the ultimate team, the same would go for Avengers and any other Character.

Originally posted by Mider
Man GalacticStorm you must be the biggest fanboy in this place i mean is there a bigger fan boy? Your comic knowledge is limited to one single Character im sure that if someone only read X-men comics they would think that They are the ultimate team, the same would go for Avengers and any other Character.

Originally posted by Mider
Man GalacticStorm you must be the biggest fanboy in this place i mean is there a bigger fan boy? Your comic knowledge is limited to one single Character im sure that if someone only read X-men comics they would think that They are the ultimate team, the same would go for Avengers and any other Character.

Who said i only read Xmen? I read all X-titles, Thor, Avengers, She-hulk, Exiles, occassionally FF and some Valiant titles and have done for over 10 years. You just admitted on another thread that you dont even really read either Marvel or DC so you who the hell do you think you are. Your ass should be playing humble in the presence of the knowledgeable

At least i research a broad range of comic Characters from MU, DCU, Chaos!, Top Cow, not just fan boy icons like yourself.

Wow too many insults make peace people.

OK Get back on subject or ur FIRED!!!! By the way insulting others is something that only fanboys do. So both of you just cool out. Don't make me put both of you in the same room.