The Anti-Monitor vs. the Marvel Universe.

<<I gotta say people cosmic crossovers in my opinion are a waste of time as the Marvel Multiverse and thee DC Hypertime are so different. Even at non cosmic level when we start discussing character based on a "plot device" to explain ther powers we are on sticky ground, e.eg Flash's powers don't work in Marvel. Who says the monitors will or Phoenixs in DCU. Like theres no Speed force in Marvel, I don't know if the Phoenix Force is in DCU. You see its pointless

Keep the Faith enjoy all good comics>>

ah, whirly, the voice of reason amid the insanity. you're right of course, but it was actually a fun debate before everyone started, well . . . YOU read the posts! too damn much bashing around here. i don't like choosing sides, but mider, ya gotta go easier bro. and i'm not sure how cool it is to pile on mider either, though mider, you gotta admit you do bring some on yourself . . .

my whole point is AM is one tough bastard who can probably only be taken down only by someone of multiversal power (ie - LT, PF) but kg, you're nuts if you think LT would 'own' AM. if a full power spectre (and LT and spectre ARE considered relative equals as shown in the dc/marvel x-over) couldn't do it, LT sure as hell couldn't 'own' AM. questionable if he could even beat him. spectre's power varies depending on the situation (not to mention he's probably second only to galactus in his use as a plot device to showcase how tough someone is!) and at full power, precrisis . . . whew! spectre was one seriously bad hombre! it's useless discussing IG, because niether of us knows how far it's powers extend.

bottom line - just like thor v glads, i'm right and you're wrong.

heheh

🙂

ps-PF still sucks galacticstorm!

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Originally posted by leonidas
<<I gotta say people cosmic crossovers in my opinion are a waste of time as the Marvel Multiverse and thee DC Hypertime are so different. Even at non cosmic level when we start discussing character based on a "plot device" to explain ther powers we are on sticky ground, e.eg Flash's powers don't work in Marvel. Who says the monitors will or Phoenixs in DCU. Like theres no Speed force in Marvel, I don't know if the Phoenix Force is in DCU. You see its pointless

Keep the Faith enjoy all good comics>>

ah, whirly, the voice of reason amid the insanity. you're right of course, but it was actually a fun debate before everyone started, well . . . YOU read the posts! too damn much bashing around here. i don't like choosing sides, but mider, ya gotta go easier bro. and i'm not sure how cool it is to pile on mider either, though mider, you gotta admit you do bring some on yourself . . .

my whole point is AM is one tough bastard who can probably only be taken down only by someone of multiversal power (ie - LT, PF) but kg, you're nuts if you think LT would 'own' AM. if a full power spectre (and LT and spectre ARE considered relative equals as shown in the dc/marvel x-over) couldn't do it, LT sure as hell couldn't 'own' AM. questionable if he could even beat him. spectre's power varies depending on the situation (not to mention he's probably second only to galactus in his use as a plot device to showcase how tough someone is!) and at full power, precrisis . . . whew! spectre was one seriously bad hombre! it's useless discussing IG, because niether of us knows how far it's powers extend.

bottom line - just like thor v glads, i'm right and you're wrong.

heheh

🙂

ps-PF still sucks galacticstorm!

🙂

Yeah? So where is AM now by the way Leo? 😄

<<Yeah? So where is AM now by the way Leo?>>

what do you mean?? he's, well, he's . . . hrm. who cares about AM anyway? hercules rules!

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Originally posted by leonidas
<<Yeah? So where is AM now by the way Leo?>>

what do you mean?? he's, well, he's . . . hrm. who cares about AM anyway? hercules rules!

🙂

Originally posted by kgkg
Hurcules who is that ? 😛

Wait, maybe I'm getting this confused with that mickey mouse type zero to hero type. . .

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yeah? So where is AM now by the way Leo? 😄

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I gotta say people cosmic crossovers in my opinion are a waste of time as the Marvel Multiverse and thee DC Hypertime are so different. Even at non cosmic level when we start discussing character based on a "plot device" to explain ther powers we are on sticky ground, e.eg Flash's powers don't work in Marvel. Who says the monitors will or Phoenixs in DCU. Like theres no Speed force in Marvel, I don't know if the Phoenix Force is in DCU. You see its pointless 😄

Keep the Faith 🙂 enjoy all good comics 🙂

That's plain stupid. Shouldn't we assume that the characters are in some sort of middle ground where all of their abilities work? Regardless, who says that there is no Speed Force in Marvel, or no Phoenix Force in DC?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's plain stupid. Shouldn't we assume that the characters are in some sort of middle ground where all of their abilities work? Regardless, who says that there is no Speed Force in Marvel, or no Phoenix Force in DC?

If so then what's the point of debating Marvel vs DC

Then Spectre, Presence, etc will have no power over Marvel you see where am going with this.

Spectre vs Spider-Man : Spider wins according to Ghirly’s logic: since there is no presence in marvel to power him up he goes down &#61516;

Eternity, most cosmic entities don’t even exist in DC so….

So to make it fare all there power works in both universe like a fusion

“Keep a brain, and remain the same”

Originally posted by kgkg
Whirly is in denial

If so then what's the point of debating Marvel vs DC

Then Spectre, Presence, etc will have no power over Marvel you see where am going with this.

Spectre vs Spider-Man : Spider wins according to Ghirly’s logic: since there is no presence in marvel to power him up he goes down &#61516;

Eternity, most cosmic entities don’t even exist in DC so….

So to make it fare all there power works in both universe like a fusion

“Keep a brain, and remain the same”

LOL!

hey, go easy on whirly! i think he was just sensing the hosilities and was trying to play peacemaker.

and AM is not baking cookies at nanny's house - he's right here, beside me, and we're planning a way to wipe out that idiotic phoenix force! (he keeps telling me not to worry though, because PF has no power in dc's universe . . .)

and the herc jests really are beneath you guys . . .

(kevin sorba! groannnn ....)

the debating was going well for awhile, gee... what the hell happened? anyhoo, IMO how powerful the PF is currently is irreleveant, whom ever the Avatar is still couldnt manage AM all by themselves.(key word being themselves) the thing that all seem to NOT realize is that AM destroyed countless billions of universes save a few before they were all destroyed leaving only the inhabitants of three to battle him. all the heroes and villains of all the universes were powerless before him. they could do nothing as that white wall of nothingness consumed them all. this guy essentially destroyed the ENTIRE multiverse utterly unopposed.

he did this while gathering enuff anti-matter energy to create his own universe that was bigger than all the universes combined, plus leeching the power from the equally powerful Monitor.Also, to get one thing straight, The pre-crsis Spectre had no known limits, for back then he didnt require a host, and writers havent yet muddied up his powers, and abilites and the fact that he was Pre-crisis pretty much speaks for it self. as it stood he was very much the equal to the much vaunted LT yet he only served to delay AM(even after he got a massive power boost from all the magic users in the DCU)

yes the PF is indeed powerful, but unless the MU is gonna do exactly what The DCU did and put all thier differences aside both hero and villain and all tag team him there 's no way he's gonna lose. but the funny thing is tho since Marvel is more campy and a lot less gritty than DC you just know that one super hero team alone would foolishly try to take him on and get obliterated. the thing is one uber powerful being alone aginst him wont stand a chance..... not even LT or the beyonder, and damn surely not phoenix

of course LT would own anti-monitor...why does nobody understand that LT can do whatever he wants? he is much much more the equivilent of michael or lucifer than spectre...

Originally posted by manjaro
the debating was going well for awhile, gee... what the hell happened? anyhoo, IMO how powerful the PF is currently is irreleveant, whom ever the Avatar is still couldnt manage AM all by themselves.(key word being themselves) the thing that all seem to NOT realize is that AM destroyed countless billions of universes save a few before they were all destroyed leaving only the inhabitants of three to battle him. all the heroes and villains of all the universes were powerless before him. they could do nothing as that white wall of nothingness consumed them all. this guy essentially destroyed the ENTIRE multiverse utterly unopposed.

he did this while gathering enuff anti-matter energy to create his own universe that was bigger than all the universes combined, plus leeching the power from the equally powerful Monitor.Also, to get one thing straight, The pre-crsis Spectre had no known limits, for back then he didnt require a host, and writers havent yet muddied up his powers, and abilites and the fact that he was Pre-crisis pretty much speaks for it self. as it stood he was very much the equal to the much vaunted LT yet he only served to delay AM(even after he got a massive power boost from all the magic users in the DCU)

yes the PF is indeed powerful, but unless the MU is gonna do exactly what The DCU did and put all thier differences aside both hero and villain and all tag team him there 's no way he's gonna lose. but the funny thing is tho since Marvel is more campy and a lot less gritty than DC you just know that one super hero team alone would foolishly try to take him on and get obliterated. the thing is one uber powerful being alone aginst him wont stand a chance..... not even LT or the beyonder, and damn surely not phoenix

Ive made too many points as to why phoenix would win for you to just come on and say she wouldnt because uber powerful DC characters such as the Spectre lost to him one on one. So what!!! At the end of the day Phoenix creates and then eventually destroys multiverses. AM is basically an eternity who went around absorbing the power of other non sentient universes which wouldnt be hard if you think about it until he came to the last one. At which point he got taken out. With all that amassed power he was still below the phoenix force.

The Phoenix force creates all that is and is one with all that is. It can also tap into the life energies of future generations. Unlike the enemies who faced AM the phoenix exists beyond the time space continuum that AM is a part of. Jean could hold the universe in her hand and decide his fate with a thought. All she would have to do as previously mentioned is reverse time and rid existence of AM. It is very possible and completely within her power to do so. Bye bye Anti Monitor

I found an interesting revelation. Anybody that has the Spectre v2 series could you please confirm this? Because apparently, in Spectre v2 #1, It was stated there that the Spectre didnt fought AM at full power. He said that he abandoned omnipotence even before his fight with AM.

If this is true, then by some people's logic that Pre-Crisis Spectre is equal to LT, wouldnt that most likely make LT stronger than AM? because if Spectre didnt fight at full power, I would tend to think that he couldve beaten AM at full power.

So yeah, can anybody confirm this?

No that means that LT would be LESS powerful then Spectre since Spectre was His equal during DC VS Marvel and no LT cant do whatever He want what dont you get about that geez at full power He can only destroy a universe thats it Korvac proved to be more powerful possessing the powers of supposidly less powerful cosmic beings I.E the combined powers of

Grandmaster
Shaper Of Worlds
In-Betweener
The High Evolutionary
Galactus World Ship
the host of Celestials on earth at that time
Gardener
The Stranger
The combined life force of all of earths people and Hero's

I mean supposidly LT is more powerful then all these beings yet He was unable to defeat Korvac He had to flee He Himself said Is this being so powerful as to oppose my judgement He then had to leave locking the universe in on itself keeping anyone from leaving or entering Korvac later destroyed it.

On the other hand Spectre has made Parallax so scared as even to look at Him when The Spectre seperated from Him.

DV VS. Marvel shouldn't be taken as canon.

to you guys if anything is against your beloved LT it should not be taken as canon give me a break the guy is not all powerful.

Originally posted by Mider
to you guys if anything is against your beloved LT it should not be taken as canon give me a break the guy is not all powerful.

Thanos with HOTU said that also, I have no idea why you hate the guy so much.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Unlike the enemies who faced AM the phoenix exists beyond the time space continuum that AM is a part of. Jean could hold the universe in her hand and decide his fate with a thought. All she would have to do as previously mentioned is reverse time and rid existence of AM. It is very possible and completely within her power to do so. Bye bye Anti Monitor

thats just the thing A. AM exists in his own universe B. thats exactly how they tried to defeat him. after he went to the dawn of time to remake reality thats where all of them went to face him, you know that place youve seen in earlier GL comics with a giant hand with a galaxy swirling in the middle? and Am was all like ill do this and that ill be all powerful and bla blah blah, then boom spectre confronted him and was no match for him then all the magic users both hero and villain forming a circle and holding hands transfered thier power into spectre and it still wasnt enuff.

lastly reversing time woudlnt do her any good cuz this guy is over ten billion years old, she would have to go back to when he was created to erase him and doing so would undoubtedlychange the history of everyone else including her friends and loved ones becuase who knows if one person from one of the universes he destroyed werent the one that was going to do a drive by on jean's parents or something....you know get what im saying? its not like its a small insignificant thing like going back in time to turn the faucet on to see what effect it would have on the future