Gladiator vs. Thanos

Started by Prof. T.C McAbe33 pages

Originally posted by Insane Titan
so BRB avoiding Thanos is fighting to the best of his abilities?

They other Annihilators were there with Bill when he attacked Thanos, the all said show no mercy to the villain etc.

Yes it is the smartest and best way to not engage an opponent who can tank what you can dish out. Makes sense doesn't it? Especially when you know that soon Glads, SS will arrive with the necessary power backup to make it a fight.

Yes they stood there and waited... tell me honestly Titan, was this smart? Did they fight smart, individualy and as a team, or did they fight like idiots and went one after the other to the slaughter without even thinking?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why post the obvious then ? We see him react against the Gladiator so it is proven there otherwise this goes down to the realm of ignoring comics and posting conspiracy theories like posts ala h1.

No, you are trying to crate a false dichotomy

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has the Gkadiator so figured out he knew what second he would be returning. He doesn't need to be as fast as him to react to him. Thanos just did so and with tactical precision.

That will make more sense, saying that somehow he is prepared to his attack, still this does not means that Gladiator was moving at his top speed and or using his perceptions at full capacity.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes you are
what am I adding, was the art not the exact same that showed him flying through space?

I am talking about debate rules and fallacies, and what you are doing is one of them
funny thing is that's what you're doing with Glads.

You are ASSUMING and claiming, He moved at light speed and the only thing you have is: "because he can move at light speed, he should and must always do"
he attack Thanos before his full force and power, so why wouldn't he do the same again using his full speed to gain the advantage?

I said he COULD, meaning that there could be a probability that he did, it does not mean that He was, but it COULD.

You know, like when you are talking with a guy whom you are about to fight. You are talking to him but also you are getting ready for the scrap

so you wasn't actually making a relevant point.

I did and if you don't believe me, that is your problem. I actually read it because of that Tyrant debate I was going to have with you
so it's not impressive him reacting to someone that used a legit speed blitz twice in the same story, yet Glads doing it is awesome and unbeatable lol.

That is nice and all, but him killing Warlock was a prophecy, context does not anyone, Even Thanos was surprised on how easily He killed Warlock
it still doesn't detract from him using a omni blast

I think you might be getting a little confused, The radiation that is supposed to hurt Gladiator it has iirc never reffered as to Gammn, but as an "unknown radiation"
like I said it still not a problem as Thanos can sense such things and has the PC to call upon

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yes it is the smartest and best way to not engage an opponent who can tank what you can dish out. Makes sense doesn't it? Especially when you know that soon Glads, SS will arrive with the necessary power backup to make it a fight.

Yes they stood there and waited... tell me honestly Titan, was this smart? Did they fight smart, individualy and as a team, or did they fight like idiots and went one after the other to the slaughter without even thinking?

collectively or not stacking cannon fodder means nothing so it's irrelevant.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Thanos beats up ppl just as fast as Gladiator all the time.

That's because they are written without using their speed at the time.
If Glads can move more than 5feet before Thanos moves an inch then how would Thanos be able to stop him? Glads speed and reflexes are beyond Thanos.

Originally posted by Ash_J_Williams
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We all agree then. Thanos can respond to anything Gladiator dishes out.

That's not what I meant lol.
Glads sees Thanos in slow motion and will respond far easier to Thanos attacks than Thanos can respond to him. That's the bottom line.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
No, you are trying to crate a false dichotomy

That will make more sense, saying that somehow he is prepared to his attack, still this does not means that Gladiator was moving at his top speed and or using his perceptions at full capacity.

You're essentially ignoring their fight and piggybacking feats which don't prove anything.

Thanos wins.

Debating this way means to wholeheartedly ignoring entire histories of how characters are portrayed. This isn't cbr.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're essentially ignoring their fight and piggybacking feats which don't prove anything.

Thanos wins.

Debating this way means to wholeheartedly ignoring entire histories of how characters are portrayed. This isn't cbr.

There is a difference between tactics and having a certain power.
Tactics are based off choice and thus character.
Having a certain power is based off the writer.

Glads not using his reflexes to full potential in a comic means he didn't have those reflexes at that time and not because HE CHOSE NOT TO USE THEM.

No one in comics would chose not to use their reflexes when they have them, not even Rhino. So it's a question of not being written with them at times.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is a difference between tactics and having a certain power.
Tactics are based off choice and thus character.
Having a certain power is based off the writer.

Glads not using his reflexes to full potential in a comic means he didn't have those reflexes at that time and not because HE CHOSE NOT TO USE THEM.

No one in comics would chose not to use their reflexes when they have them, not even Rhino. So it's a question of not being written with them at times.

Glads did use his reflexes and always does. You make believing they are greater than they are isn't proof. Thanos has a greater reaction feat than Gladiator anyways.

Pick up a comic. It is obvious you don't read them.

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Thanos stomps just as the comics have always portrayed.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I just did realize how stupid I am.

It was just now that I realized that you were trolling me the entire time. And here I was actually thinking that you were serious about all of your gibberish :- D

Good one, Branlor, that was really a good one.

I should have realized it immediately.

I mean, who in his right mindset would argue that Thanos has actual super speed... that Thanos is actually capable of tagging speedsters on a whim?!
Someone, who argues that, states at the same time that all the other slow bricks like Hulk, Thor, Beta Ray Bill and many others are capable of tagging speedsters, because since it happens in a comic book super speed must be a part of their power set.

Oh lol, so funny. Imagine Hulk and Thor actually tagging Superman in a board battle! Hilarious 😄 Replace Thanos with Hulk and you have even a bigger and better joke.

And here I was spending time and making the case for that absolutely not being the possibility due to the speedsters having greater speed showings... of them operating at higher speeds outside of PISy / WISy comic book fights.

Ah, I feel so stupid right now. But now with that out of the way, we can concentrate on the important things:

Gladiator's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanos' speed.
Sentry's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hulk's speed.
Superman's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thor's speed.
Silver Surfer's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BRB's speed.
Flash's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deathstroke's speed.
Wonder Woman's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman's speed.

I generally thought you were better than this... Think about what you're saying here...

You're saying we can't look at this as a comic book fight, but rather, a battle board fight... Ummm a battle board is using the feats we are presented in comics Thus, feats in comics is what we go by and base our judgments on who would win. What you're trying to do is exclude all the appropriate feats from Thanos and claim PIS or or CIS of other characters... Yet you don't apply the same level of exclusion to Glads himself. Why wasn't the narration about nano second speed just hyperbole to build him up? Thus we could throw that out like you're trying to do with THanos' feats. Thanos' has more reaction speed feats than Glads does nano second feats.

Marvel writes the comics and give us their informed take on fights.. period.. end of story. That is vastly more valuable and credible than you not liking this or that. Every single fight in comics we could go..well he didn't use speed.... or he didn't use his matter manipulation or TK or the ultra fart he likes to use. Use the criteria you've seem to only lay out for Thanos' we could call all fights PIS or CIS... The thing is we don't and can't I could say well Ares didn't do this against sentry and That's is why he won.. and pull out some random ability he's displayed in comics and go see see he didn't do that... Do you understand how lame that is. EVERY single one of Sentry's fights I could point to a ability a character didn't use against him, and by your reasoning, thus invalidate the fight as PIS or CIS.

We don't do that in real life either.. We don't go well Pettis didn't use the flying kick off the fence move like he did against Henderson or else he would've won. Umm no... He got walked down... taken down and beaten. Simple. Just because he didn't try this or that doesn't change the beatdown. Thanos' has displayed reactions to deal with Glads.. period end of story. In fact, in the damn comic in question.. Glads TRIED to blitz and Thanos' reacted to him EASILY and WON the fight. Now you're saying well he didn't use he A speed.... Prove he wasn't then.. Prove he was acting pedestrian in that scene. Good luck with that as you don't know the writer intention for it do you? Your whole argument is rather silly and I thought you were better than this... PROF.. I didn't expect more from.. so I'm not surprised he's trying to jump on the same wagon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Glads did use his reflexes and always does. You make believing they are greater than they are isn't proof. Thanos has a greater reaction feat than Gladiator anyways.

Pick up a comic. It is obvious you don't read them.

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Thanos stomps just as the comics have always portrayed.

Glads has shown light speed reflexes from up close before. Prove that Glads used his reflexes against Thanos?

No Thanos doesn't. Thanos best reaction feats are reacting to stuff from afar (not up close). Glads blocked a light speed attack at point blank range (3ft).

Originally posted by h1a8
Glads has shown light speed reflexes from up close before. Prove that Glads used his reflexes against Thanos?

No Thanos doesn't. Thanos best reaction feats are reacting to stuff from afar (not up close). Glads blocked a light speed attack at point blank range (3ft).

Thanos has shown reflexes vastly superior to light speed reflexes.

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Yes, he does you just don't read comics to know anything about it.

You need to prove he didn't use his reflexes. You say silly things.

Originally posted by h1a8
Glads has shown light speed reflexes from up close before. Prove that Glads used his reflexes against Thanos?

No Thanos doesn't. Thanos best reaction feats are reacting to stuff from afar (not up close). Glads blocked a light speed attack at point blank range (3ft).

stop lying you've already been told he blocked Genis Vell, jack of hearts and Ganymede from up close.

Originally posted by h1a8
Glads has shown light speed reflexes from up close before. Prove that Glads used his reflexes against Thanos?

No Thanos doesn't. Thanos best reaction feats are reacting to stuff from afar (not up close). Glads blocked a light speed attack at point blank range (3ft).

Beta Ray Bill threw his hammer at him, and Thanos reacted to it. What are you saying here? Was Bill throwing the hammer in slow motion, to allow Thanos to stop it before it ever hit him? This alone shows that Thanos has proven high speed reaction ability. Do you choose to ignore these things simply to be contrary, or is there another point that I am unaware of?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I generally thought you were better than this... Think about what you're saying here...

You're saying we can't look at this as a comic book fight, but rather, a battle board fight... Ummm a battle board is using the feats we are presented in comics Thus, feats in comics is what we go by and base our judgments on who would win. What you're trying to do is exclude all the appropriate feats from Thanos and claim PIS or or CIS of other characters... Yet you don't apply the same level of exclusion to Glads himself. Why wasn't the narration about nano second speed just hyperbole to build him up? Thus we could throw that out like you're trying to do with THanos' feats. Thanos' has more reaction speed feats than Glads does nano second feats.

Marvel writes the comics and give us their informed take on fights.. period.. end of story. That is vastly more valuable and credible than you not liking this or that. Every single fight in comics we could go..well he didn't use speed.... or he didn't use his matter manipulation or TK or the ultra fart he likes to use. Use the criteria you've seem to only lay out for Thanos' we could call all fights PIS or CIS... The thing is we don't and can't I could say well Ares didn't do this against sentry and That's is why he won.. and pull out some random ability he's displayed in comics and go see see he didn't do that... Do you understand how lame that is. EVERY single one of Sentry's fights I could point to a ability a character didn't use against him, and by your reasoning, thus invalidate the fight as PIS or CIS.

We don't do that in real life either.. We don't go well Pettis didn't use the flying kick off the fence move like he did against Henderson or else he would've won. Umm no... He got walked down... taken down and beaten. Simple. Just because he didn't try this or that doesn't change the beatdown. Thanos' has displayed reactions to deal with Glads.. period end of story. In fact, in the damn comic in question.. Glads TRIED to blitz and Thanos' reacted to him EASILY and WON the fight. Now you're saying well he didn't use he A speed.... Prove he wasn't then.. Prove he was acting pedestrian in that scene. Good luck with that as you don't know the writer intention for it do you? Your whole argument is rather silly and I thought you were better than this... PROF.. I didn't expect more from.. so I'm not surprised he's trying to jump on the same wagon.

Speed and reflexes are natural. No one has to think about whether or not to use them. Using matter manipulation, or any other powers take a decision process and creativity. Even so, then using creativity TAKES TIME. Time is something vastly slower beings don't have.

Thanos reactions feats are ok, not enough to show he can react to Glads. The Fallen One example has Fallen One speeding up from rest. This means that when Fallen One first started moving it was much slower than light speed. Thanos sees this motion and raises his hand. Thus Fallen One is stopped in time.

Thanos reacting to stuff from afar doesn't show that he can from up close. Thanos has to have reaction feats of reacting to stuff within 4ft in front of him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Beta Ray Bill threw his hammer at him, and Thanos reacted to it. What are you saying here? Was Bill throwing the hammer in slow motion, to allow Thanos to stop it before it ever hit him? This alone shows that Thanos has proven high speed reaction ability. Do you choose to ignore these things simply to be contrary, or is there another point that I am unaware of?
From the look of Bills hammer flight, it wasn't going faster than a bullet (it appears to be traveling as fast as it does in the cartoons or movies).

Now I'll take the stance that we don't know how fast it was going. Thus the feat can't be used to prove Thanos reacted to something really fast (light speed).
Then there is the thing that the hammer throw was telegraphed and it traveled toward Thanos from afar (giving Thanos time to react).

Originally posted by Insane Titan
stop lying you've already been told he blocked Genis Vell, jack of hearts and Ganymede from up close.
How fast is Ganymede when fighting? Is she bullet speed, mach 3, orbital speed, light speed, etc.
How fast was Genis attack moving when Thanos blocked him, same with Jack of Hearts?
What issues did these occur?

I'll tell you what. I'm a man of my word. If those feats convinces me then i'll give Thanos credit and thus great reactions.

h1 stop ignoring what's asked of you and stop lying about scans you've already seen

Originally posted by h1a8
How fast is Ganymede when fighting? Is she bullet speed, mach 3, orbital speed, light speed, etc.
How fast was Genis attack moving when Thanos blocked him, same with Jack of Hearts?
What issues did these occur?

I'll tell you what. I'm a man of my word. If those feats convinces me then i'll give Thanos credit and thus great reactions.

you've seen the scans several times troll I've shown you them in other threads. Brans even posted them in this thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
From the look of Bills hammer flight, it wasn't going faster than a bullet (it appears to be traveling as fast as it does in the cartoons or movies).

Now I'll take the stance that we don't know how fast it was going. Thus the feat can't be used to prove Thanos reacted to something really fast (light speed).
Then there is the thing that the hammer throw was telegraphed and it traveled toward Thanos from afar (giving Thanos time to react).

So you want to believe that Beta Ray Bill, knowing the danger that Thanos presented, and how powerful he is, would choose to throw the hammer at a snails pace, when he has tossed it far faster at beings that pose a much lesser threat than Thanos? Is this what you are trying to say here? That's a pretty stupid way to think of things, and right after you claimed that Thanos has never reacted to speedy threats that were close to him. I get it now, you have too big of an ego to admit when you are incorrect.

Let's get into common sense, which you seem to be lacking at this time. Bill would have thrown the hammer with a good amount of strength behind it, because he knew what kind of threat Thanos posed, and that he is not a light weight. With this in mind, the hammer was moving at a good rate of speed, and Thanos was still able to react to it, and stop it's forward momentum. The same thing applied to the Fallen One that attempted to blitz Thanos and was stopped in a similar fashion. And, the same thing applies to Gladiator when we see him BFR'd on panel.

What we have here is on panel proof versus your gut feelings, and false claims. I'm wondering why no one has reported you for trolling yet, because this is essentially what you're doing at this point by presenting information, with no proof to back your claims.

This ****ing thread...

Embarrassing.