Originally posted by h1a8
How fast is Ganymede when fighting? Is she bullet speed, mach 3, orbital speed, light speed, etc.
How fast was Genis attack moving when Thanos blocked him, same with Jack of Hearts?
What issues did these occur?I'll tell you what. I'm a man of my word. If those feats convinces me then i'll give Thanos credit and thus great reactions.
She blitzed Surfer, badly. He couldn't react to her...she was all over him with after images, etc... in the same comic, Surfer was moving at light speeds (or it could have been the comic before, can't remember), so his speed wasnt downplayed at all. I don't know if she was fighting Thanos like that though. So a debate on that topic, you're basically just flipping a coin to see who wins.
H1...here is the scan.
http://s563.photobucket.com/user/MoseyGod/media/Stillnotfast5.jpg.html
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63189/1305201-silversurferv308103.jpg
Surfer couldn't hit her.
Thanos casually pimps smack her.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63189/1305207-ganymede11.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63189/1305210-ganymede2_1.jpg
You could argue that she wasn't in blitz form but that would probably be a lie because overall she is hard to hit. She did the same thing against Morg (he has hit her before though but I would call that a sneak attack imo)...He couldn't touch her. So she is top notch in speed and Thanos did casually slap her to the side. Soooooooooooooo, I guess it depends on if you want to ignore the showing or not. Hulk is still faster though.
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Originally posted by Insane TitanI do but considering everything I posted is blatantly ignored by even adequate posters like Rao. Meh.
do you have the scans handy of Ganymede blitzing the Tyrant robot and him reacting to Genis Vell and Jack of Hearts flying attacking him?
If I go on my computer later today I'll post it. Though I previously posted the entire Gany Surfer fight where she takes off the same way as she did against Thanos. Carver touched on it.
Originally posted by Branlor Swiftfair enough it's seems the butthurt is too strong , it mainly seems like Superman fanboys thought.
I do but considering everything I posted is blatantly ignored by even adequate posters like Rao. Meh.If I go on my computer later today I'll post it. Though I previously posted the entire Gany Surfer fight where she takes off the same way as she did against Thanos. Carver touched on it.
Still good watching troll and ignore stuff.
Originally posted by h1a8
Speed and reflexes are natural. No one has to think about whether or not to use them. Using matter manipulation, or any other powers take a decision process and creativity. Even so, then using creativity TAKES TIME. Time is something vastly slower beings don't have.Thanos reactions feats are ok, not enough to show he can react to Glads. The Fallen One example has Fallen One speeding up from rest. This means that when Fallen One first started moving it was much slower than light speed. Thanos sees this motion and raises his hand. Thus Fallen One is stopped in time.
Thanos reacting to stuff from afar doesn't show that he can from up close. Thanos has to have reaction feats of reacting to stuff within 4ft in front of him.
You bumbling buffoon.. He reacted TO GLADS in the very comic in question and was about to EASILY beat him. He was very close to him and tried EXACTLY what you wanted him to.. to rush Thanos with speed... If he was further away.. that would be even worse according to you. Point is, he tried that and was promptly dispatched with utter ease. As I said... I doesn't matter if it's speed.. matter manipulation.. TK.. TP.. or WHATEVER... Not using them doesn't mean it was PIS or CIS... If we looked at fight that way then EVERY SINGLE COMIC BOOK FIGHT WE COULD GO... Yeah Wolverine beat Sabertooth that time.. but didn't try this move or do this... Superman beat Despero but Despero didn't do this which he's shown before. Do you understand that we could LITERARLLY SAY THAT FOR EVERY SINGLE FIGHT YOU BUFFOON. Thus, that isn't and logically can't be a reason for excluding a fight Period end of story
Besides you do realize TP or TK is faster than a speed rush.. The speedsters have to think to do something and then do it. TP you simply think about it. Simple. So stop acting like a speed rush doesn't include neurons going of before you act.. It does. Thanos' merely needs a thought to TP or TK them with utter ease. Gmede BLIZTED surfer and was dancing all around him.. Guess what.. she tried that on Thanos and she was promptly slap away with utter ease. Thanos has a long storied history of dealing with speed. The people over at Marvel clearly believe he can and that is worth much much more than your opinion on what he can or can't do.. Agreed?
Originally posted by h1a8
From the look of Bills hammer flight, it wasn't going faster than a bullet (it appears to be traveling as fast as it does in the cartoons or movies).Now I'll take the stance that we don't know how fast it was going. Thus the feat can't be used to prove Thanos reacted to something really fast (light speed).
Then there is the thing that the hammer throw was telegraphed and it traveled toward Thanos from afar (giving Thanos time to react).
Clownshoes.. YOU NEED TO PROVE IT WASN"T THROWN AT GREAT SPEED.. That is for you to prove not us. If you can't prove it.. we'll go ahead and say it was thrown pretty darn fast and Thanos reacted to it.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I do but considering everything I posted is blatantly ignored by even adequate posters like Rao. Meh.If I go on my computer later today I'll post it. Though I previously posted the entire Gany Surfer fight where she takes off the same way as she did against Thanos. Carver touched on it.
Rao and Enz are certainly not looking like Adequate posters in this thread.. that's for sure. H1 we already know he's inadequate
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosiif I can't prove it then that doesn't mean that it was thrown at great speed.
Clownshoes.. YOU NEED TO PROVE IT WASN"T THROWN AT GREAT SPEED.. That is for you to prove not us. If you can't prove it.. we'll go ahead and say it was thrown pretty darn fast and Thanos reacted to it.
Originally posted by h1a8
if I can't prove it then that doesn't mean that it was thrown at great speed.
So the showing is inconclusive at best.
and then we go by Logic and past showings.. When BRB or Glads are serious as we've seen they use their speed correct. That is what you've been arguing... that when pressed or threatened they use their speed. Well, they've used speed against WEAKER characters than Thanos. Shit, glads even says he's been waiting to test himself against Thanos'. So what, you think they are going to be doing things at a snails pace when they know how big of a threat Thanos is? OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T. That is only logical and common sense. You claim to be a logically person.. why don't you try and use it here. Does that makes sense? So, we'll just go ahead and say they did things pretty darn fast.. period. If you can't prove it was thrown slow.. than common sense tells us they would be doing things convincingly against a threat like Thanos.
Originally posted by Stoic
So you want to believe that Beta Ray Bill, knowing the danger that Thanos presented, and how powerful he is, would choose to throw the hammer at a snails pace, when he has tossed it far faster at beings that pose a much lesser threat than Thanos? Is this what you are trying to say here? That's a pretty stupid way to think of things, and right after you claimed that Thanos has never reacted to speedy threats that were close to him. I get it now, you have too big of an ego to admit when you are incorrect.Let's get into common sense, which you seem to be lacking at this time. Bill would have thrown the hammer with a good amount of strength behind it, because he knew what kind of threat Thanos posed, and that he is not a light weight. With this in mind, the hammer was moving at a good rate of speed, and Thanos was still able to react to it, and stop it's forward momentum. The same thing applied to the Fallen One that attempted to blitz Thanos and was stopped in a similar fashion. And, the same thing applies to Gladiator when we see him BFR'd on panel.
What we have here is on panel proof versus your gut feelings, and false claims. I'm wondering why no one has reported you for trolling yet, because this is essentially what you're doing at this point by presenting information, with no proof to back your claims.
It has nothing to do with choice but what a character can do in a certain scene. Bill can throw the hammer with all his might and it goes bullet speed, if the writer writes it to. Comic physics don't always correspond to real physics. Juggernaut punches slow as hell, but with contradictory devastating force.
In other words speed is not proven through might but through quantifiable evidence (we need time and distance or speed mentioned)
Originally posted by h1a8
It has nothing to do with choice but what a character can do in a certain scene. Bill can throw the hammer with all his might and it goes bullet speed, if the writer writes it to. Comic physics don't always correspond to real physics. Juggernaut punches slow as hell, but with contradictory devastating force.In other words speed is not proven through might but through quantifiable evidence (we need time and distance or speed mentioned)
And yet it did not take 10 panels for the hammer to reach its destination, and get denied. It's like the time when you claimed that the Fallen One was moving slow, which is why Thanos was able to stop him dead as well, even though he moved a great distance in one panel. So you basically go from one tangent to the next. In one instance you argue that Thanos is unable to stop something from a great distance, and in another you argue that he can't from a short distance. He's done both on panel. You obviously never read the books, and are once again going by your gut feeling.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosifalse, these characters don't exist. Characters power levels are different from comic to comic. Characters are sometimes written without their powers. That means, determination doesn't define whether a character is using his top speed or not, the writer does. The writer can have a determined character to have no speed whatsoever because the story calls for it.
and then we go by Logic and past showings.. When BRB or Glads are serious as we've seen they use their speed correct. That is what you've been arguing... that when pressed or threatened they use their speed. Well, they've used speed against WEAKER characters than Thanos. Shit, glads even says he's been waiting to test himself against Thanos'. So what, you think they are going to be doing things at a snails pace when they know how big of a threat Thanos is? OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T. That is only logical and common sense. You claim to be a logically person.. why don't you try and use it here. Does that makes sense? So, we'll just go ahead and say they did things pretty darn fast.. period. If you can't prove it was thrown slow.. than common sense tells us they would be doing things convincingly against a threat like Thanos.
Originally posted by h1a8
false, these characters don't exist. Characters power levels are different from comic to comic. Characters are sometimes written without their powers. That means, determination doesn't define whether a character is using his top speed or not, the writer does. The writer can have a determined character to have no speed whatsoever because the story calls for it.
That made no sense.. nor did it counter anything I just said. Either prove it was slow or shut the **** up.
Originally posted by Stoicthe hammer could be thrown at bullet speed for all we know. Even assuming it was thrown at light speed then it was still at a distance and telegraphed by BRB. It doesn't prove Thanos could stop thrown from 3 feet away.
And yet it did not take 10 panels for the hammer to reach its destination, and get denied. It's like the time when you claimed that the Fallen One was moving slow, which is why Thanos was able to stop him dead as well, even though he moved a great distance in one panel. So you basically go from one tangent to the next. In one instance you argue that Thanos is unable to stop something from a great distance, and in another you argue that he can't from a short distance. He's done both on panel. You obviously never read the books, and are once again going by your gut feeling.
I want to see the feats where Thanos stop something, launched from up close, that is moving as fast as gladiator can. Let's start with that cause I missed those feats.
