Originally posted by krisblaze
Why are you talking win-ratio?Thanos has outperformed Gladiator, plain and simple.
His energy output, damage soak, anything, is above Gladiator's best feats. Gladiator is consistently outmatched.
Because it has a lot to do with how well Gladiator gets the job done. This should be quite obvious, and I question why you would even bring it up. Bizarro can move at speeds just as great as Gladiator, but I wouldn't say that he wins. His credibility would go against the notion of him ever winning. People have made more of one statement than it was worth. 21 pages of nonsense, because of one statement.
Originally posted by StoicI didn't replace a speed restriction on the hammer. You can't quantify, or, better yet, prove the hammer was going faster than Gladiator can move.
You have no proof as to how fast the hammer was traveling, so why place a speed restriction on it? In other words you should stop bringing up this bullet speed theory as if you've actually quantified the unquantifiable. For all we know it could have been moving faster, or slower. The point here is that he reacted to it, and has done so in the past enough times for people to say that it would be possible to react to Gladiator's full speed blitz. The Fallen One attempted to blitz Thanos, and was denied, the same could happen to Gladiator.On average there is no way that a character with such a poor track record is going to beat a guy with a nearly spotless win ratio. Thanos has beaten characters more powerful than Gladiator in the past. Gladiator has lost to characters far weaker than Thanos. It's not really ABC logic, it's more about averages. Gladiator does not have the feats, to place him at this level.
Even if you can (you can't), then you still must understand that BRB telegraphed the throw AND Thanos anticipated him throwing it because of Thanos trickery.
Track record is meaningless here. PIS exists in comics. PIS does not exist in a forum fight. That's a lazy way to debate. We must dig deeper and analyze how the fight will go down.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiHow far combatants start in a forum fight is irrelevant. The distance will get closed and Glads engages Thanos in fisticuffs.
Your WHOLE argument is this is a forum fight not a comic book fight... Then you should know that a forum fight STARTS further away than where BRB was shown throwing his hammer. We've seen how fast he can throw his hammer... we don't assume he was slowing it slower this time... Thanos was able to react easily to it. You whole argument about Fallen has to accelerate to speeds and thus we don't know how was he was going... well... He had MUCH greater distance to generate speed than Glads will have in a forum fight. You crush your own arguments because Glads won't have much distance to gain any significant speed. His speed traveling speeds aren't reach in a forum fight distance. So now what? Thanos won't be able to react to him?You said glads will be able to blitz thanos with ease and it's faster than anything thanos can do.. I pointed out.. that Thanos can TP Glads which is much faster than glads trying a bulrush. Simple.
I'll repeat, in this fight the distance will get closed and the fight result to fisticuffs.
Just like who cares how far BRB was from Thanos... The distance will get closed by a fast hammer throw.. Only thanos was EASILY able to react to any distance being close with ease. Just like he would if Glads tried to close the distance quickly. Just like he has when others have tried to bulrush him.
Originally posted by krisblazespeed is the most important thing that outweighs all of that.
Why are you talking win-ratio?Thanos has outperformed Gladiator, plain and simple.
His energy output, damage soak, anything, is above Gladiator's best feats. Gladiator is consistently outmatched.
If Glads can hit Thanos more than 5 times than Thanos hits him the those advantages you named are nullified.
If the fight gets up close and if Glads can move 3ft before Thanos moves 5 inches then Thanos would be helpless
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosithere is no such thing as reacting to the distance being closed. There is no attack. Glads can just close the distance while watching for any Thanos attacks (using his reflexes).
Just like who cares how far BRB was from Thanos... The distance will get closed by a fast hammer throw.. Only thanos was EASILY able to react to any distance being close with ease. Just like he would if Glads tried to close the distance quickly. Just like he has when others have tried to bulrush him.
Originally posted by h1a8
there is no such thing as reacting to the distance being closed. There is no attack. Glads can just close the distance while watching for any Thanos attacks (using his reflexes).
And then boom, he gets caught in a containment cube of force, just like Bill's hammer was, and that is when Thanos would start to operate on his mind, breaking him down, and defeating him.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't replace a speed restriction on the hammer. You can't quantify, or, better yet, prove the hammer was going faster than Gladiator can move.Even if you can (you can't), then you still must understand that BRB telegraphed the throw AND Thanos anticipated him throwing it because of Thanos trickery.
Track record is meaningless here. PIS exists in comics. PIS does not exist in a forum fight. That's a lazy way to debate. We must dig deeper and analyze how the fight will go down.
How far combatants start in a forum fight is irrelevant. The distance will get closed and Glads engages Thanos in fisticuffs.
I'll repeat, in this fight the distance will get closed and the fight result to fisticuffs.
Yes you clearly stated that the hammer was moving as fast as a bullet, and continued to rant about something that you had no idea of. Now as for your deceptive attempt of turning it around on me, just remember that it was you that made the claim, and placed an actual speed on the hammer throw, without knowing how fast it was going.
It does not matter what Thanos did, what matters is that he stopped the hammer from hitting him, which was a reaction feat.
Track record means everything, because we go by averages around here. If you have a problem with that, take it up with -Pr-.
It does not matter how far Gladiator begins his blitz. Thanos has denied a blitz from the Fallen One, and would be able to do so to Gladiator. We go by averages, and Gladiator's average of wins versus his losses give Thanos the win by proxy. He simply does not have the feats to win.
Originally posted by h1a8Based on ? We see Thanos react to Gladiator effectively so your opinion isn't based off of anything concrete just fanboyism.
there is no such thing as reacting to the distance being closed. There is no attack. Glads can just close the distance while watching for any Thanos attacks (using his reflexes).
Originally posted by quanchi112Reacting to a non attack does what exactly. If Thanos tries to attack while Gladiator closes the distance then Glads just avoids the attack. Remember Glads reflexes are better than Thanos.
Based on ? We see Thanos react to Gladiator effectively so your opinion isn't based off of anything concrete just fanboyism.
Originally posted by StoicGlads avoids or evades the blast easily. Remember his reactions are even better than Thanos.
And then boom, he gets caught in a containment cube of force, just like Bill's hammer was, and that is when Thanos would start to operate on his mind, breaking him down, and defeating him.
Originally posted by h1a8Thanos had the reflexes to bfr Gladiator. You are very simple minded. Take a much larger more powerful foe against a much smaller quicker one in real life. The larger one doesn't have to be as fast to connect and due to his superior size will do more damage.
Reacting to a non attack does what exactly. If Thanos tries to attack while Gladiator closes the distance then Glads just avoids the attack. Remember Glads reflexes are better than Thanos.
Thanos as the abilities/reflexes to negate the speed with relative ease. You have nothing to support your wild notions hence why no one ever takes you seriously.
Originally posted by StoicI said no such thing. I said "it could have been" which is totally different. So that we are clear, I'm not claiming how fast the hammer was going. I'm claiming, we don't know.
Yes you clearly stated that the hammer was moving as fast as a bullet, and continued to rant about something that you had no idea of. Now as for your deceptive attempt of turning it around on me, just remember that it was you that made the claim, and placed an actual speed on the hammer throw, without knowing how fast it was going.It does not matter what Thanos did, what matters is that he stopped the hammer from hitting him, which was a reaction feat.
Track record means everything, because we go by averages around here. If you have a problem with that, take it up with -Pr-.
It does not matter how far Gladiator begins his blitz. Thanos has denied a blitz from the Fallen One, and would be able to do so to Gladiator. We go by averages, and Gladiator's average of wins versus his losses give Thanos the win by proxy. He simply does not have the feats to win.
But that's irrelevant anyway as
1. the throw was telegraphed
2. Thanos tricked BRB into throwing it (he anticipated it)
3. You can't prove it was going as fast as Glads can move
Track record means absolutely nothing. Character A doesn't beat character B simply because Character A has a better track record.
Style of fighting, skill set, experience, and power sets makes fights, not track records. I can think of many examples where someone has a better track record than another but the one with the worst track record EASILY beats the one with the better track record.
Originally posted by quanchi112He didn't use reflexes to BFR Glads. He put the shield up while they were both talking. Glads ran into the shield (thinking it was a shield) like an idiot.
Thanos had the reflexes to bfr Gladiator. You are very simple minded. Take a much larger more powerful foe against a much smaller quicker one in real life. The larger one doesn't have to be as fast to connect and due to his superior size will do more damage.Thanos as the abilities/reflexes to negate the speed with relative ease. You have nothing to support your wild notions hence why no one ever takes you seriously.
Originally posted by h1a8That means he had the reflexes to use the portal to bfr him. Post scans which back your fantasy claims. I have evidence you don't.
He didn't use reflexes to BFR Glads. He put the shield up while they were both talking. Glads ran into the shield (thinking it was a shield) like an idiot.