Gladiator vs. Thanos

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-man blitzes, Wolverine has blitzed, Quicksilver has blitz, Captain America has blitzed.
How can we quantify how fast she was moving if she doesn't have any other feats to reference? She could be going as fast as a bullet in the writer's mind.

Surfer had no problems hitting her with his hand. This means she wasn't moving faster than he can perceive and respond to. He had problems blasting her, which anyone would have in comics against a moving target.

You've already been corrected on this line of thinking by a mod.. He clearly state.. we assume they are going at fast speeds, not the opposite. Which of course is how it should be and the logical way of looking at things. I have zero don't you don't have the slightest clue about logic the more and more I see you post. The facts are these... Thanos REACTED to a blitzing Glads and easily defeated him. He then reacted to a hammer throw from BRB and easily froze it. He clearly doesn't have an issue reacting to blitzes. Even if Glads could blitz faster.. he would only land maybe a few punches at most before being Omni blasted or swatted away.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
she blitzed a tyrant robot exactly the same in that story.

Surfer was able to hit her because her hits had no effect therefore giving him time to regain himself. Thanos reacted before she could lay a hand on him...that's a huge difference.

Give it a rest with the excuses they are getting boring now.

But if she was much faster than Surfer then Surfer wouldn't have been able to hit her, regardless of them having an effect on him or not.

Originally posted by carver9
H1...here is the scan.

http://s563.photobucket.com/user/MoseyGod/media/Stillnotfast5.jpg.html
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63189/1305201-silversurferv308103.jpg

Surfer couldn't hit her.

Originally posted by carver9
Thanos casually pimps smack her.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63189/1305207-ganymede11.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63189/1305210-ganymede2_1.jpg

You could argue that she wasn't in blitz form but that would probably be a lie because overall she is hard to hit. She did the same thing against Morg (he has hit her before though but I would call that a sneak attack imo)...He couldn't touch her. So she is top notch in speed and Thanos did casually slap her to the side. Soooooooooooooo, I guess it depends on if you want to ignore the showing or not. Hulk is still faster though.

🙂

I am going to have to catch up in this thread, but Carver on this example you are showing there is a difference.

Ganimene is portrayed by Marz as an agile fighter, no where on his Cosmic powers unlimited she is shown moving at the speeds she was moving on the Silver Surfer comics.

Even Terrax was able to counter attack her and he hit her with a blast, THEN SHE ramp up her game at that point Terrax was missing and she was depicted as dodging attacks like a warrior will do.

So I see where the misconception might be from

Originally posted by h1a8
Then prove me wrong. In the D.C. universe, special relativity is referenced. Never in the marvel universe is it referenced at all.

I'm curious; what do you think the theory of special relativity says?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You've already been corrected on this line of thinking by a mod.. He clearly state.. we assume they are going at fast speeds, not the opposite. Which of course is how it should be and the logical way of looking at things. I have zero don't you don't have the slightest clue about logic the more and more I see you post. The facts are these... Thanos REACTED to a blitzing Glads and easily defeated him. He then reacted to a hammer throw from BRB and easily froze it. He clearly doesn't have an issue reacting to blitzes. Even if Glads could blitz faster.. he would only land maybe a few punches at most before being Omni blasted or swatted away.

He didn't even try to blitz Thanos.

Here's proof that Glad wasn't moving anywhere near the speed of light towards Thanos or even blitzing Thanos in the slightest.

They are phucking talking to each other BEFORE Gladiator engages him. They are saying whole sentences to each other while the shield is already up prior. Gladiator is telling Thanos that he always wanted to fight Thanos. Again, Thanos has a shield up beforehand while they are both talking. Glads then runs into the already up shield like an idiot (probably thinking it was just a shield) and is teleported away.

Bottom line: Glads has moved far faster than light speed countless times and reacted to light speed attacks. He would react to Thanos far easier than Thanos can react to him. Meaning, he can hit Thanos far more times than the other way around.

Reacting to a hammer thrown from afar is not the same thing as reacting to an attack launched from close range (like a punch), especially with BRB telegraphing the throw AND Thanos anticipating the throw (he tricked BRB into throwing it).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm curious; what do you think the theory of special relativity says?

From those postulates it can be proven exactly about gaining mass, time dilation, shrinkage, etc. all based off merely moving.

Originally posted by h1a8
But if she was much faster than Surfer then Surfer wouldn't have been able to hit her, regardless of them having an effect on him or not.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is build off the notion that the speed of light is constant in all reference frames in a vacuum AND the laws of physics hold for all reference frames.

From those postulates it can be proven exactly about gaining mass, time dilation, shrinkage, etc. all based off merely moving.

So for example, if Marvel states that nothing can move faster than the speed of light, that's the special theory being referenced?

Northstar was just moving fast as hell and he still got tagged by a Wendigo. It can be proven that he was, because he was trying to escape with a child in tow. Speedsters have been hit by characters that some may believe can not hit them, but they are, and if it continues to happen with these supposedly slow characters, it's obvious that they should no longer be considered slow. Am I right? This is a simple notion to understand. -Pr- stated that we go by averages, but that seems to have been ignored. Gladiator on average will not defeat a guy that is rarely ever beaten. Gladiator is defeated on average, every second battle that he gets into, perhaps he's simply incompetent. Thanos can not be accused of the same thing. This is why he would stomp Gladiator without contest. Too smart, too tough, too powerful.

Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't even try to blitz Thanos.

Here's proof that Glad wasn't moving anywhere near the speed of light towards Thanos or even blitzing Thanos in the slightest.

They are phucking talking to each other BEFORE Gladiator engages him. They are saying whole sentences to each other while the shield is already up prior. Gladiator is telling Thanos that he always wanted to fight Thanos. Again, Thanos has a shield up beforehand while they are both talking. Glads then runs into the already up shield like an idiot (probably thinking it was just a shield) and is teleported away.

Bottom line: Glads has moved far faster than light speed countless times and reacted to light speed attacks. He would react to Thanos far easier than Thanos can react to him. Meaning, he can hit Thanos far more times than the other way around.

Reacting to a hammer thrown from afar is not the same thing as reacting to an attack launched from close range (like a punch), especially with BRB telegraphing the throw AND Thanos anticipating the throw (he tricked BRB into throwing it).

People talk all the time before they fight... that doesn't prove anything at all. Happens all the time.. SO? Doesn't mean you can try and blitz or rush. In fact, in the vast majority of fights there is dialogue before they engage.

BRB wasn't far away... you do know how far away combatants start on this forum right? Think about that.. and then think about how far BRB was away?

Point is, we don't assume they are moving at slow speeds or throwing things at slow speeds. We assume the opposite. We say G blitz surfer... terrax and others.. she took off THE SAME WAY to try and blitz Thanos and was dealt with EASILY. Who cares that surfer hit her.. people hit superman when he's blitzing ALL THE TIME. Doesn't mean he's not blitzing and landing more. She landed more on him by a good margin.. yet couldn't do that to thanos.

BTW don't think I didn't notice you not addressing you claiming they can blitz faster than TP and TK which was soundly shot down. They have to THINK about what they are going to do and how they are going to blitz and then do it. Thanos merely has to think something and he can TK or TP with ease.. TP or TK is faster than a bull rush.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
People talk all the time before they fight... that doesn't prove anything at all. Happens all the time.. SO? Doesn't mean you can try and blitz or rush. In fact, in the vast majority of fights there is dialogue before they engage.

BRB wasn't far away... you do know how far away combatants start on this forum right? Think about that.. and then think about how far BRB was away?

Point is, we don't assume they are moving at slow speeds or throwing things at slow speeds. We assume the opposite. We say G blitz surfer... terrax and others.. she took off THE SAME WAY to try and blitz Thanos and was dealt with EASILY. Who cares that surfer hit her.. people hit superman when he's blitzing ALL THE TIME. Doesn't mean he's not blitzing and landing more. She landed more on him by a good margin.. yet couldn't do that to thanos.

BTW don't think I didn't notice you not addressing you claiming they can blitz faster than TP and TK which was soundly shot down. They have to THINK about what they are going to do and how they are going to blitz and then do it. Thanos merely has to think something and he can TK or TP with ease.. TP or TK is faster than a bull rush.

He is only interested in arguing power set, but neglects character, and smarts. Gladiator has such a poor track record, that you could nearly compare him to Bizarro, and that's really poor. Gladiator isn't Superman, nor does he have his win streak %.

Batman has super speed 🙄

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So for example, if Marvel states that nothing can move faster than the speed of light, that's the special theory being referenced?

No, because special relativity doesn't prove that faster than light travel is impossible. It actually suggests that faster than light travel makes an object travel to the past. Actually, a tenure physicist of Oxford has a bonafide theory that faster than light travel is possible.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Batman has super speed 🙄

This actually hurts your mockery of Thanos (who you love) considering Bart is blatantly using a decent degree of speed when Batman grabs him. The believability of this depends on what people think of Batman not of the feat, since the feat itself is indisputable.

Anything to attempt to take away feats though.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
People talk all the time before they fight... that doesn't prove anything at all. Happens all the time.. SO? Doesn't mean you can try and blitz or rush. In fact, in the vast majority of fights there is dialogue before they engage.

BRB wasn't far away... you do know how far away combatants start on this forum right? Think about that.. and then think about how far BRB was away?

Point is, we don't assume they are moving at slow speeds or throwing things at slow speeds. We assume the opposite. We say G blitz surfer... terrax and others.. she took off THE SAME WAY to try and blitz Thanos and was dealt with EASILY. Who cares that surfer hit her.. people hit superman when he's blitzing ALL THE TIME. Doesn't mean he's not blitzing and landing more. She landed more on him by a good margin.. yet couldn't do that to thanos.

BTW don't think I didn't notice you not addressing you claiming they can blitz faster than TP and TK which was soundly shot down. They have to THINK about what they are going to do and how they are going to blitz and then do it. Thanos merely has to think something and he can TK or TP with ease.. TP or TK is faster than a bull rush.

Far is an opinion. I'm referring to a significant distance that is not in fisticuffs range (3ft). How far combatants start in a forum fight is irrelevant. The distance will get closed and Glads engages Thanos in fisticuffs.

I didn't say BRB threw the hammer at slow speeds as it pertains to human reactions. "Slow" is a relevant term. A bullet is not 'slow' at all. But in comparison to the speed of light, it is frozen in time and thus very slow.

Why address something that is moot? I said, lets assume she attacked Thanos at the same speed she attacked Surfer. Then how fast was she going? What are her speed feats? Was she going fast as Gladiator can go? Why would Gladiator let Thanos smack him while he's coming towards him, especially if his reflexes are better?

TK is not going to do anything to Glads. Glads overpowers it with ease.
tp is questionable as we don't know how fast it would take to activate. Remember the speed of thought by mod ruling is 30m/s. And we don't know if it would affect Glads. If you use the logic that if a character has no showings towards tp resistance THEN THEY CAN'T DEFEND AGAINST IT IN A FORUM FIGHT AT ALL then Thanos wins and so does any character with tp, even against a vastly more powerful opponent.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Do you assume this is anything but a superspeed showing for Batman or something?

This actually hurts your mockery of Thanos (who you love) considering Bart is blatantly using a decent degree of speed when Batman grabs him. The believability of this depends on what people think of Batman not of the feat, since the feat itself is indisputable.

Anything to attempt to take away feats though.

You assume wrong I am not making fun of Thanos, but I am making fun of the argument presented.

This scan of Batman will be a much better showing of Super speed reflexes for Barman than what Thanos has, YET I will never claim that Batman has Super speed, because Batman might as well be able to calculate the moving trayectory of a moving object and then react accordingly. Still this showing is better because Batman was able to think and send the order t his brain so he can catch Impulse, but no one on his right logical mind will claim that Batman has Super speed, even if Batman is known to dodge lasers.

Maybe based on showings Batman should be moved on the tiers just because he has a long history of super speed reflexes.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Batman has super speed 🙄

No. Batman has cunning, agility, and fighting expertise to offset speed advantages.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You assume wrong I am not making fun of Thanos, but I am making fun of the argument presented.

This scan of Batman will be a much better showing of Super speed reflexes for Barman than what Thanos has, YET I will never claim that Batman has Super speed, because Batman might as well be able to calculate the moving trayectory of a moving object and then react accordingly. Still this showing is better because Batman was able to think and send the order t his brain so he can catch Impulse, but no one on his right logical mind will claim that Batman has Super speed, even if Batman is known to dodge lasers.

Maybe based on showings Batman should be moved on the tiers just because he has a long history of super speed reflexes.

Right Batman is faster than Thanos but we shouldn't count it because no one should think Batman has superspeed reflexes... you realize how something like this comes off right?

Right and if Batman has a long history of superspeed why should he suddenly not on the forum?

Anyway, I'm getting sick of this thread so I think something needs to be done here.

Originally posted by h1a8
The shield is up while they are talking though. The shield is up before whole sentences are said.

Far is an opinion. I'm referring to a significant distance that is not in fisticuffs range (3ft). How far combatants start in a forum fight is irrelevant. The distance will get closed and Glads engages Thanos in fisticuffs.

I didn't say BRB threw the hammer at slow speeds as it pertains to human reactions. "Slow" is a relevant term. A bullet is not 'slow' at all. But in comparison to the speed of light, it is frozen in time and thus very slow.

Why address something that is moot? I said, lets assume she attacked Thanos at the same speed she attacked Surfer. Then how fast was she going? What are her speed feats? Was she going fast as Gladiator can go? Why would Gladiator let Thanos smack him while he's coming towards him, especially if his reflexes are better?

TK is not going to do anything to Glads. Glads overpowers it with ease.
tp is questionable as we don't know how fast it would take to activate. Remember the speed of thought by mod ruling is 30m/s. And we don't know if it would affect Glads. If you use the logic that if a character has no showings towards tp resistance THEN THEY CAN'T DEFEND AGAINST IT IN A FORUM FIGHT AT ALL then Thanos wins and so does any character with tp, even against a vastly more powerful opponent.

Your WHOLE argument is this is a forum fight not a comic book fight... Then you should know that a forum fight STARTS further away than where BRB was shown throwing his hammer. We've seen how fast he can throw his hammer... we don't assume he was slowing it slower this time... Thanos was able to react easily to it. You whole argument about Fallen has to accelerate to speeds and thus we don't know how was he was going... well... He had MUCH greater distance to generate speed than Glads will have in a forum fight. You crush your own arguments because Glads won't have much distance to gain any significant speed. His speed traveling speeds aren't reach in a forum fight distance. So now what? Thanos won't be able to react to him?

You said glads will be able to blitz thanos with ease and it's faster than anything thanos can do.. I pointed out.. that Thanos can TP Glads which is much faster than glads trying a bulrush. Simple.

Originally posted by h1a8
The shield is up while they are talking though. The shield is up before whole sentences are said.

Far is an opinion. I'm referring to a significant distance that is not in fisticuffs range (3ft). How far combatants start in a forum fight is irrelevant. The distance will get closed and Glads engages Thanos in fisticuffs.

I didn't say BRB threw the hammer at slow speeds as it pertains to human reactions. "Slow" is a relevant term. A bullet is not 'slow' at all. But in comparison to the speed of light, it is frozen in time and thus very slow.

Why address something that is moot? I said, lets assume she attacked Thanos at the same speed she attacked Surfer. Then how fast was she going? What are her speed feats? Was she going fast as Gladiator can go? Why would Gladiator let Thanos smack him while he's coming towards him, especially if his reflexes are better?

TK is not going to do anything to Glads. Glads overpowers it with ease.
tp is questionable as we don't know how fast it would take to activate. Remember the speed of thought by mod ruling is 30m/s. And we don't know if it would affect Glads. If you use the logic that if a character has no showings towards tp resistance THEN THEY CAN'T DEFEND AGAINST IT IN A FORUM FIGHT AT ALL then Thanos wins and so does any character with tp, even against a vastly more powerful opponent.

You have no proof as to how fast the hammer was traveling, so why place a speed restriction on it? In other words you should stop bringing up this bullet speed theory as if you've actually quantified the unquantifiable. For all we know it could have been moving faster, or slower. The point here is that he reacted to it, and has done so in the past enough times for people to say that it would be possible to react to Gladiator's full speed blitz. The Fallen One attempted to blitz Thanos, and was denied, the same could happen to Gladiator.

On average there is no way that a character with such a poor track record is going to beat a guy with a nearly spotless win ratio. Thanos has beaten characters more powerful than Gladiator in the past. Gladiator has lost to characters far weaker than Thanos. It's not really ABC logic, it's more about averages. Gladiator does not have the feats, to place him at this level.