Gladiator vs. Thanos

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Does Magneto have reactions that show him reacting to faster beings than Quicksilver?

But anyway. You think Gladiator wins, but you continually say he will lose. Either pick a side or the other.

Point is clear Glads in character with no PIS at peak will loose eventually, IMO

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It really doesn't matter what words you mince to get to the conclusion. All that matters is that Thanos has reacted to two people that are way faster than Gladiator.

If you want to focus on the nanosecond aspect of it, that's on you. Whether what I'm arguing is indirectly that Thanos has nanosecond reaction speeds, I don't care. That's not my point.

What I'm saying is that Thanos can and has reacted to faster beings. The guy was slapping blasts out of Maker's hands, you don't think he'd be able to react to Gladiator "I take seconds to get there, but I apparently have nanosecond speed when I'm there"?

This whole focus on nanosecond is grinding. And the guy who wrote that doesn't even think beings can go faster than light in space, and if that's the case, it would make sense that they were simply going lightspeed in combat since light moves 12 inches in a nanosecond, and the punch was "nanoseconds" later.
So... lightspeed is what you're saying in other words in that instance.

Ignoring ulterior motives. But your entire argument is based off a feeling anyway. It's not based off proof since that's being ignored on both sides. Thanos isn't nanosecond because it doesn't feel right. Yet he reacted to a guy that was pretty much moving at implied warp speed throughout the whole arc. But... that's to be ignored because Thanos having any sort of "nanosecond" reaction feat is stupid.

The whole "Thanos reacted to the fallen one who was portrayed as light speed therefore Thanos has light speed reaction" is a false dichotomy and honestly MOST of the scans shown fall into that category, imo

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You really think the "no pis" rule works in favor of nanosecond reactions? For that to work you would have to literally override every single one of Gladiator's other feats. Every. Single. One. But no, yeah, every other feat except the word nanosecond is pis. Good work there. And yes, the entire first half of Starblast is pis except one word.

However, if you're going to start dissecting segments of my post, it's very interesting you're ignoring the important part of this entire thread.

That PIS rule will apply to Gladiator performing poorly cs characters like Cannonball or Gambit or characters that have legit super speed not using it, because, well We know the comic will not last more than 3 pages

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If this was a Superman thread you'd be all over this statement with a bunch of scans. But here you just ignore Gladiator's complete lack of adequate blitzing because it said nanosecond about him. And apparently everything else is pis.

Not only that, but you just called something that happened in the exact same page pis. And that's that it took seconds for Gladiator to get to Hyperion. Which seems highly relevant when that's what Glads is going to need to do to Thanos.

Like I said Gladiator does not has the feats to support a win for him alone in here, he is a character made to loose mainly regardless of how powerful he might be, so of course no one in going to come up with scans. On that part I agree and this is the main reason why I think Thanos could win in here.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yes, woah is Superman that his clone doesn't get a win over Thanos.

Nope. you got that quite wrong, if I entered here was mainly because of the PIS / CIS rule and the False dichotomies presented, not because Gladiator is a Superman clone

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And I'm like 90 percent sure no one on the Thanos side cares about the clone of Superman thing. But it does seem to come in handy for defending Gladiator. I don't think you or Prof has ever argued on the side of Gladiator before this thread. H1 just hates Thanos so same old shit. And Enzeru is just trying to make Thanos out to be really slow so he can have Sentry blitz him in threads.

I have actually like a couple of times before, long time ago, I used to have a Glads sig BTW 😉

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's all ulterior motives here. All Thanos fans want is that Thanos beats the biggest jobber in comics. And it's become utterly retarded in the process when the Gladiator side refuses to post any proof to back up anything they say. But yes, woah is Superman. I'd love to see your reaction if h1, and a band of people were arguing for a decent length of time about Starfire beating Superman or something. And the only actual proof being used was a ****ing Tom Brevoort forumspring about Thor.

Quite honestly, I don't remember a more pathetic argument on this forum for a while. And Carver tried to tell me the events of Infinity in the order of it happened, but at least he had proof. At least he didn't just try and say everything is pis but this word.

Nope, like I said before I came in here for other reasons

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'd get omniblasted by Thanos and killed.

At those relativistic speed perceptions you will actually see the energy building up in Thanos body, so you will react accordingly and what of his omni blast has killed a hereald? besides the Warlock one, because that was a prophecy to be fulfilled.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So again, absolutely no proof is offered. Literally nothing. All you're using is nanoseconds, which works out to about lightspeed in that instance, and it's only lightspeed at close range since it took him seconds to traverse a couple miles in the same page. 😬

Where is the scans on scans on scans to show Gladiator is capable of blitzing Thanos without him getting hit?

And onto the larger point.
And this is against a guy who's only ever been KO'ed twice in comics (one was Squirrel Girl if that makes it better, which it should). But suddenly we're to believe that a complete lack of winning fights from Gladiator suddenly allows him to beat Thanos? We're to believe that a lack of successful blitzes leads him to successfully blitz and finish off Thanos? Like where is the proof here?

You readily accept that Gladiator is a big loser, but in the same breath you think he should be untouchable. Based on what evidence? I've repeatedly asked for proof, yet I've been given nothing.

Yeah this last point I agree, there is nothing to show in Glads favor as He rarely if any is successful on his comic book story in character at least nothing that I am aware off, but like I said this was not the main reason to come in here specifically to debate. And yes I think HE should be untouchable to Thanos in a cissless match, but like I said in here at Peak with out PIS he will loose in character he most likely will loose.

Rao you misunderstand Gladiator. Considering his record it's PIS if he actually wins a fight

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Rao you misunderstand Gladiator. Considering his record it's PIS if he actually wins a fight

Considering his record it is more likely you are right 😆

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Point is clear Glads in character with no PIS at peak will loose eventually, IMO

The whole "Thanos reacted to the fallen one who was portrayed as light speed therefore Thanos has light speed reaction" is a false dichotomy and honestly MOST of the scans shown fall into that category, imo

That PIS rule will apply to Gladiator performing poorly cs characters like Cannonball or Gambit or characters that have legit super speed not using it, because, well We know the comic will not last more than 3 pages

Like I said Gladiator does not has the feats to support a win for him alone in here, he is a character made to loose mainly regardless of how powerful he might be, so of course no one in going to come up with scans. On that part I agree and this is the main reason why I think Thanos could win in here.

Nope. you got that quite wrong, if I entered here was mainly because of the PIS / CIS rule and the False dichotomies presented, not because Gladiator is a Superman clone

I have actually like a couple of times before, long time ago, I used to have a Glads sig BTW 😉

Nope, like I said before I came in here for other reasons

At those relativistic speed perceptions you will actually see the energy building up in Thanos body, so you will react accordingly and what of his omni blast has killed a hereald? besides the Warlock one, because that was a prophecy to be fulfilled.

Yeah this last point I agree, there is nothing to show in Glads favor as He rarely if any is successful on his comic book story in character at least nothing that I am aware off, but like I said this was not the main reason to come in here specifically to debate. And yes I think HE should be untouchable to Thanos in a cissless match, but like I said in here at Peak with out PIS he will loose in character he most likely will loose.

Although to the only relevant point. The Fallen One example is being primarily used because he is blatantly faster than Gladiator. Alongside swatting blasts and Ganymede, and others, it's more than enough to show he can react to Gladiator's "nanosecond which is really just lightspeed" reflexes".

When Gladiator's best speed feat is eclipsed by characters Thanos reacted to, then you can bet your ass I'm going to use it to say Thanos can and will react to Gladiator.

And it's not just based on Thanos' reflexes either. It's based on Gladiator's shitty blitzing, and highest feat being beaten by Thanos fodder.

But what is the other option in the Fallen One fight? That Thanos seen him taking off in the same panel? Which would be so unlike him being able to see Gladiator taking off or something?
Even if you assume a tale of events ensued beforehand in the Fallen One fight, it is still highly relevant to what would happen in a forum fight. IE, Thanos seeing the events unfold and reacting accordingly.

Or we can assume Fallen One did that out of nowhere, and end up at the same result. Either way Thanos raised his hand to throw up a shield in the timeframe of Fallen One taking off. So it's not exactly a stretch to go so black and white as "lightspeed" reflexes in that regard.

Anyway you want to swing it, Thanos is hitting that Gladiator pussy up deep.

Originally posted by carver9
This man is very short.

Originally posted by Badabing
👆

Originally posted by Galan007

Originally posted by Stoic
Let's not forget about when The Maker attempts to shoot him at point blank range (good find Bran) with an energy attack, that he in turn swats away. This pretty much shows without a doubt that he can react to light speed projectiles fired at him. This alone proves that if Gladiator were to attempt a blitz, he could cube him up, and begin mind assaulting him, and breaking him down.

👆

If a character swats away a bullet shot at him at point blank it would be considered a good reflex feat.

If Thanos swats away an energy blast shot at him at point blank, well it doesn't count, even though energy blasts are likely faster than bullets.

Originally posted by h1a8
. Black dwarf is an unknown powerhouse. So again that's not a knock against Gladiator.

Shang Chi hung with him, to the point that he was frustrating Black Dwarf. Either he was tanking the blows of BD (so BD can't be that strong, or Shang is that durable) or he was dodging him (so either a human with chi is faster than him, or he's that slow).

Black Panther actually drove him off.

👆 great general.

Also, Thanos wins. What is Gladiator's record against telepaths again?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Do you actually need me to respond here to know what I'm going to say?

Although to the only relevant point. The Fallen One example is being primarily used because he is blatantly faster than Gladiator. Alongside swatting blasts and Ganymede, and others, it's more than enough to show he can react to Gladiator's "nanosecond which is really just lightspeed" reflexes".

When Gladiator's best speed feat is eclipsed by characters Thanos reacted to, then you can bet your ass I'm going to use it to say Thanos can and will react to Gladiator.

And it's not just based on Thanos' reflexes either. It's based on Gladiator's shitty blitzing, and highest feat being beaten by Thanos fodder.

But what is the other option in the Fallen One fight? That Thanos seen him taking off in the same panel? Which would be so unlike him being able to see Gladiator taking off or something?
Even if you assume a tale of events ensued beforehand in the Fallen One fight, it is still highly relevant to what would happen in a forum fight. IE, Thanos seeing the events unfold and reacting accordingly.

Or we can assume Fallen One did that out of nowhere, and end up at the same result. Either way Thanos raised his hand to throw up a shield in the timeframe of Fallen One taking off. So it's not exactly a stretch to go so black and white as "lightspeed" reflexes in that regard.

Anyway you want to swing it, Thanos is hitting that Gladiator pussy up deep.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Point is clear Glads in character with no PIS at peak will loose eventually, IMO

The whole "Thanos reacted to the fallen one who was portrayed as light speed therefore Thanos has light speed reaction" is a false dichotomy and honestly MOST of the scans shown fall into that category, imo

That PIS rule will apply to Gladiator performing poorly cs characters like Cannonball or Gambit or characters that have legit super speed not using it, because, well We know the comic will not last more than 3 pages

Like I said Gladiator does not has the feats to support a win for him alone in here, he is a character made to loose mainly regardless of how powerful he might be, so of course no one in going to come up with scans. On that part I agree and this is the main reason why I think Thanos could win in here.

Nope. you got that quite wrong, if I entered here was mainly because of the PIS / CIS rule and the False dichotomies presented, not because Gladiator is a Superman clone

I have actually like a couple of times before, long time ago, I used to have a Glads sig BTW 😉

Nope, like I said before I came in here for other reasons

At those relativistic speed perceptions you will actually see the energy building up in Thanos body, so you will react accordingly and what of his omni blast has killed a hereald? besides the Warlock one, because that was a prophecy to be fulfilled.

Yeah this last point I agree, there is nothing to show in Glads favor as He rarely if any is successful on his comic book story in character at least nothing that I am aware off, but like I said this was not the main reason to come in here specifically to debate. And yes I think HE should be untouchable to Thanos in a cissless match, but like I said in here at Peak with out PIS he will loose in character he most likely will loose.

Again LOOSE instead of Lose... I've seen this in thread after thread.. You're better than this. I don't mind typos sometimes, I make them, but it seems you genuinely don't know when to use either word.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Do you actually need me to respond here to know what I'm going to say?

Although to the only relevant point. The Fallen One example is being primarily used because he is blatantly faster than Gladiator. Alongside swatting blasts and Ganymede, and others, it's more than enough to show he can react to Gladiator's "nanosecond which is really just lightspeed" reflexes".

When Gladiator's best speed feat is eclipsed by characters Thanos reacted to, then you can bet your ass I'm going to use it to say Thanos can and will react to Gladiator.

And it's not just based on Thanos' reflexes either. It's based on Gladiator's shitty blitzing, and highest feat being beaten by Thanos fodder.

But what is the other option in the Fallen One fight? That Thanos seen him taking off in the same panel? Which would be so unlike him being able to see Gladiator taking off or something?
Even if you assume a tale of events ensued beforehand in the Fallen One fight, it is still highly relevant to what would happen in a forum fight. IE, Thanos seeing the events unfold and reacting accordingly.

Or we can assume Fallen One did that out of nowhere, and end up at the same result. Either way Thanos raised his hand to throw up a shield in the timeframe of Fallen One taking off. So it's not exactly a stretch to go so black and white as "lightspeed" reflexes in that regard.

Anyway you want to swing it, Thanos is hitting that Gladiator pussy up deep.

Balls Deep?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

It really doesn't matter what words you mince to get to the conclusion. All that matters is that Thanos has reacted to two people that are way faster than Gladiator.

If you want to focus on the nanosecond aspect of it, that's on you. Whether what I'm arguing is indirectly that Thanos has nanosecond reaction speeds, I don't care. That's not my point.

What I'm saying is that Thanos can and has reacted to faster beings. The guy was slapping blasts out of Maker's hands, you don't think he'd be able to react to Gladiator "I take seconds to get there, but I apparently have nanosecond speed when I'm there"?

So those blasts coming from Maker's hand was light speed?
Even if so, then how do explain her telegraphing by pointing and shooting? Some feat.

Glads got there in seconds because he wasn't trying to bullrush Hyperion. He was merely trying to close the distance (as he would do to Thanos).

This whole focus on nanosecond is grinding. And the guy who wrote that doesn't even think beings can go faster than light in space, and if that's the case, it would make sense that they were simply going lightspeed in combat since light moves 12 inches in a nanosecond, and the punch was "nanoseconds" later.
So... lightspeed is what you're saying in other words in that instance.

Ignoring ulterior motives. But your entire argument is based off a feeling anyway. It's not based off proof since that's being ignored on both sides. Thanos isn't nanosecond because it doesn't feel right. Yet he reacted to a guy that was pretty much moving at implied warp speed throughout the whole arc. But... that's to be ignored because Thanos having any sort of "nanosecond" reaction feat is stupid.

Let's say Fallen One did take off the same for attacking as he did for traveling and that his acceleration was the same as he did when he achieved the teleporting feat.

Distanced traveled = 1/2a*t^2 so Average speed = 1/2a*t

You know what that means? It means that if one can accelerate to (or reach) 100 times the speed of light speed in a second then their acceleration is '100c'. That means after traveling for 1 hour (3600 seconds) they would average 180,000 times the speed of light. That means in 5 hours they would average 900,000 times the speed of light. But in 1 thousandth of a second they would have averaged .05 times the speed of light. So if Thanos has millisecond reflexes and responded the first millisecond then he responded to a being averaging .05 times the speed of light. This is far faster than a human could but not greater than someone with grade A speed and reflexes (nanosecond reflexes).

So your fallen one feat is shit.

no h1..just no

H1 you clownshoes... That's how most characters in all fights blasts.. they point and shoot.. Thanos does it.. Odin does it... Seid does it... Thor does it... That doesn't mean it was telegraphed.. that just how people fire in comics nit wit. You can't add context to a scene that isn't there trying to low ball it. It just makes you look dumb

Originally posted by bbrem123
no h1..just no

Meltdown immanent

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
H1 you clownshoes... That's how most characters in all fights blasts.. they point and shoot.. Thanos does it.. Odin does it... Seid does it... Thor does it... That doesn't mean it was telegraphed.. that just how people fire in comics nit wit. You can't add context to a scene that isn't there trying to low ball it. It just makes you look dumb

The biggest problem is that Bran and others are proving that Thanos can react to a blind bullrush ONLY. I'll give Thanos the benefit of the doubt on that (although his entire history says otherwise). What if Gladiator doesn't bullrush from afar? What if he just approaches Thanos normally while using his reflexes to avoid attacks? Once at fisticuff range then Gladiator uses his speed, which is too much for Thanos since he has no feats of dealing with that type of speed from fisticuffs range.

Originally posted by h1a8
But it doesn't take ftl reflexes to swat a blast if the shooter is pointing and shooting.
And her blasts looked fluffy. Were they really light speed like a laser?
Maybe they were.

The biggest problem is that Bran and others are proving that Thanos can react to a blind bullrush ONLY. I'll give Thanos the benefit of the doubt on that (although his entire history says otherwise). What if Gladiator doesn't bullrush from afar? What if he just approaches Thanos normally while using his reflexes to avoid attacks? Once at fisticuff range then Gladiator uses his speed, which is too much for Thanos since he has no feats of dealing with that type of speed from fisticuffs range.

Ganymede wasn't far away when she attacked him neither was Jack of hearts .

Glads used his speed to attack Thor from behind and he easily countered it , so it won't be a prob for Thanos .

Originally posted by Insane Titan
still with this bullshit.

Ganymede wasn't far away when she attacked him neither was Jack of hearts .

Glads used his speed to attack Thor from behind and he easily countered it , so it won't be a prob for Thanos .

I don't know what Jack of Hearts feat you are talking about. Is it the one where Thanos sneaks up on him by surprise after someone tried blasting someone else?

Originally posted by h1a8
You still haven't proven the speed of Ganymede. We don't know if she can move or respond equal or better to Gladiator.

I don't know what Jack of Hearts feat you are talking about. Is it the one where Thanos sneaks up on him by surprise after someone tried blasting someone else?

I've shown you the scans twice in previous threads troll, Jack flies at Thanos from a few feat away to attack him. Stop making shit up.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
the speed doesn't have to been quantified, it was shown on panel twice she blitzed during combat greater than Glads have.

I've shown you the scans twice in previous threads troll, Jack flies at Thanos from a few feat away to attack him. Stop making shit up.

Everything is faster than humans, bullets, lasers, missiles, etc. There are different levels of superspeed. ALL of them look exactly the same. We can't know if she was moving bullet speed, orbitial speed, light speed, warp speed, etc. without something to quantify it.

I swear I didn't ever see the Jack of Hearts feat. PM it and let me look at it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I can show Captain America blitzing and having multiples of himself, Spider-man, Batman, etc.

Everything is faster than humans, bullets, lasers, missiles, etc. There are different levels of superspeed. ALL of them look exactly the same. We can't know if she was moving bullet speed, orbitial speed, light speed, warp speed, etc. without something to quantify it.

I swear I didn't ever see the Jack of Hearts feat. PM it and let me look at it.

The same Tryant robots captured Gladiator amongst a group of others, they couldn't handle Ganymede.

Can you actually post proof of Gladiator fighting in combat at the speeds you hope he can.