Gladiator vs. Thanos

PART 1

I was kind of hesitant to respond to this as We basically agree on the outcome of this battle, however I will waste the opportunity I was looking into discussing Thanos speed so

I will respond to this first as I basically agree with you

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Anyway, just a couple of Gladiator's failed blitzes.
Wonderman reacts to his superspeed:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/Thor_445-08.jpg

Masterson:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/Thor_445-12.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/Thor_445-13.jpg

Masterson turns on Gladiator using superspeed from behind:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/Thor_445-14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/Thor_445-16.jpg

Black Cloak reacts to Gladiator completely furious:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/WoK05-014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/WoK05-016.jpg

Havok tags a speeding Gladiator:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/War-of-Kings-03-pg--15.jpg

Even in one of Gladiator's best showings, he gets tagged doing his bullrush:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/UncannyX-Men480-22.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/UncannyX-Men480-23.jpg

Using Superspeed against the Eldest:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/X-MenEmperorVulcan02pg009.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/X-MenEmperorVulcan02pg010.jpg

And here's a good one. Gladiator moving too fast for Torch to see still manages to not KO Torch with that punch. Which pretty much sums up almost every Gladiator blitz. Sure he moves fast, but it's largely ineffectual to vastly lesser beings. Oh yeah, same comic he went 100 times lightspeed too.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Gladiator/FF249_21.jpg

Could use more examples, but that suffices. Basically, Gladiator's bullrush speedblitzes are in no way enough to be 2 quick for Thanos. He has been tagged by less trying it, and that's from a small number of comics looked through.

If people want to prove Gladiator is too fast for Thanos, then prove it using Gladiator's speed showings. Go ahead.[/I]

Another interesting point, is that in some of those same issues are the proof used for Gladiator's great speed.

But why oh why is this an issue? No one besides Carver has even shown a successful Gladiator blitz, and that was against a bunch of slow people. Even if Gladiator does blitz him for whatever reason, Thanos is more than capable of reacting to it and tanking the others. As evidenced by so so sooooo many other people doing it.

Could go more in depth, but considering the COMPLETELY REAL GLADIATOR FANS can't even look at a comic to defend Gladiator, there's literally no need. Which is why this isn't directed at anyone in particular considering it's all the same shit.

Carver is literally the only person who has brought forth any proof of Gladiator's speed, and that was more of a passing thing that meant nothing. Carver.

Now considering this is the most butt****ing retarded thread on the forum at this moment, I guess this would mostly be directed towards Thanos fans so they have something to combat it. I'd argue with people but honestly... 😬

With that said Thanos wins easily 10/10. I can see why this thread went in the direction of Gladiator's non advantage that could somehow be construed into an advantage considering that's literally all he has. If someone wants to get into raw power, I can supply Insane Titan with some proof so he can go on an angry rampage if they want. 🙂

I will say that Gladiator blitzes were effective when it comes to land them (well not all of them), it is just that He delivers them poorly (all of them)

Now onto the other response and the one that will lead to the scans of Thanos speed

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Do you actually need me to respond here to know what I'm going to say?

Although to the only relevant point. The Fallen One example is being primarily used because he is blatantly faster than Gladiator. Alongside swatting blasts and Ganymede, and others, it's more than enough to show he can react to Gladiator's "nanosecond which is really just lightspeed" reflexes".

When Gladiator's best speed feat is eclipsed by characters Thanos reacted to, then you can bet your ass I'm going to use it to say Thanos can and will react to Gladiator.

And it's not just based on Thanos' reflexes either. It's based on Gladiator's shitty blitzing, and highest feat being beaten by Thanos fodder.

But what is the other option in the Fallen One fight? That Thanos seen him taking off in the same panel? Which would be so unlike him being able to see Gladiator taking off or something?
Even if you assume a tale of events ensued beforehand in the Fallen One fight, it is still highly relevant to what would happen in a forum fight. IE, Thanos seeing the events unfold and reacting accordingly.

Or we can assume Fallen One did that out of nowhere, and end up at the same result. Either way Thanos raised his hand to throw up a shield in the timeframe of Fallen One taking off. So it's not exactly a stretch to go so black and white as "lightspeed" reflexes in that regard.

Anyway you want to swing it, Thanos is hitting that Gladiator pussy up deep.

Lets take this slowly & relaxed and since the opportunity is present it will be a waste IF I don't respond properly to your post, particularly because when We create such long posts We put a lot of time and effort

I particularly do not see where Thanos "super speed" "nanosecond reaction time" comes from and in most of you instance shown I disagree with the conclusion drawn.

I believe He is fast for someone of his size, faster than a peak human athlete with some sort of Super speed, as fast as Thor PROBABLY, but not as fast as SPIDERMAN or Quicksilver

Now, let see the scans you posted

THIS ARE LEGIT

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Shows a degree of superspeed rushing Black Bolt:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Infinity004-014.jpg

Reacts to Thor about a couple feet away trying to cheapshot him when his body is faced in the complete opposite direction:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Infinity006-022.jpg

This ones are OK, none of those guys are legit speedsters though

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Grabs a rock when it's an arm length from the back of his head:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/WarlockInfinityWatch008-10.jpg

This one seems legit, You could hardly argue anything about this one, except that he was kind of looking over his shoulder, but this one seems like a legit one 👆

PART 2

THIS IS CORRELATION IMPLIES CAUSATION

Correlation implies causation
This type of argument claims that since A is associated with B, then A causes B.

Example: “Afterimages, blurry images, and speed lines usually are used in manga and comics to denote speed. Therefore, anything drawn with afterimages and blurry effects must be moving very fast.”

This argument ignores the possibility that the said effects were added for some other reason, or that they are simply there to exaggerate the object’s movement rather than to imply vast supernatural speed.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Now, onto Ganymede.
Anyway, about the stupid shit about Gladiator being faster than Ganymede.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/SS_v3_080_16a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/SS_v3_080_16b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/SS_v3_080_17a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/SS_v3_081_02b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/SS_v3_081_03a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/SS_v3_081_03b.jpg

Her blitzing robots:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_081_11a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_081_11b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_082_15a.jpg

Gladiator doesn't have a combat speed showing that good.

Now, she tries the same tricks with Thanos:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/CosmicPowers-6-Tyrant23.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/CosmicPowers-6-Tyrant24.jpg

Which doesn't count apparently because she flew right at him like she did to Surfer? Which is exactly what Gladiator does? That doesn't count.

But for whatever reason she is perceived as slow? Why? Because Thanos tagged her? She rushed at Thanos the exact way she started these blitzes, but we're to assume she went slower because Thanos or something?

Lets see at a some interesting aspects here

While Ganymade is shown moving really fast on the Silver Surfer issues, it can't be said the same of the Ganymade shown on Cosmic powers

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p28_zpsd96e4a59.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p29_zps2b0b341c.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p30_zps807fbb1f.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p31-32_zps847db1d1.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p34_zpsa9fda843.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-22_zps2aa34886.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-26-27_zps9505a9fb.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-28_zps6c74880a.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-29_zps0969d2e3.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-31_zpsa2e3da20.jpg.html

Just look at how she attacked Terrax, by your logic she rushed Terrax the same way, yet Terrax was able to react and counter attack much faster than the Surfer did originally, she didn't dance around Terrax landing several blows in a second why? because this is the speed she was displayed to have in this arc, nowhere she was shown again to be that fast even if the story was written by the same writer, she never was portrayed with the same level of speed as in the Silver Surfer comics.
Marz might have changed his stance onto how fast his own creation was, but lets say for a moment that you were right, that little sphere Thanos has does not help the argument. That sphere is at least Thanos + Morg power stacked or that is the impression I got from reading it

THIS EXAMPLES ARE FALSE DICHOTIMIES

False dichotomy
This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.

Example: “Lightning travels at relativistic speed. If lightning is heading towards you, either you’ll can’t move that fast and you’ll be hit, or you can move that fast and you can block or dodge it. Thanos blocked Maker’s attack, so therefore Thanos can move at relativistic speed.”

The person in this example ignores the possibility that Thanos could have seen Maker powering up her attack before she actually fired it and was already ready to defend.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Thanos reacts to Odin throwing rocks at his back at a high speed. Even moreso when you think of it considering Odin blasted Thanos to no effect prior. Obviously he would throw these rocks at a slow speed to damage Thanos:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/26iw.jpg

Ignores the fact that Thanos is already looking at such attack and the distance to which those rocks are falling down

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Raises his hand to stop Thor's hammer (with a forcefield or without, it doesn't matter) when Thor is trying to kill Thanos. Naturally this would come at a slow speed considering Thor's prior dealings with the Thanos clone trying to end the universe and tanking his blows.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/CaptainMarvelv3017-03.jpg

Ignores the fact that Thanos is already seeing Thor getting ready for an attack

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Reacts to Surfer using a degree of speed to bullrush Thanos:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/CosmicPowersUnlimited01-SilverSurfer_Page_23_Image_0001.jpg

Ignores the fact that Silver Surfer got attacked previously and That Thanos is already ready and waiting for a fight after all he is the one who started it

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CPU1-0021-22_zps5c3d6fb7.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CPU1-0023_zpsa05a88bf.jpg.html

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Reacts to JoH' bullrush:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/CosmicPowers-5-Morg-33.jpg

Ignores the fact that He is already looking at JoH and the speed in which said bullrush was performed

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Literally reacts to Gladiator using his speed to try and attack Thanos. This is highly relevant considering the way Gladiator "blitzes". Which I will repost later:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-049.jpg

Ignores the variables of Gladiator's speed of his initial attack, Ignores the fact that Door is already in place when the attack starts, plus that apperently and judging by the art Gladiator is moving forward with his hand as if he has the intention of punching something, which COULD have been that he thought that rectangular shape was not a teleporter but a shield next panel he is with his fist like he already tried to punch the rectangular field. It seems more like a trap, Judging by Thanos history of outsmarting people a trap is a very viable answer

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Reacts to Beta's hammer toss. The hammer appears not to have gained any ground in the time between Thanos' hand being all the way down and his hand being up and stopping the hammer completely:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-051.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-052.jpg

Ignores the dialogue in which implies that Thanos tricked BBR into tossing his hammer and the possibility that Thanos is already expecting such an attack also ignores the speed in which the mallet was thrown, if any I will say that Thor threw his mallet faster than BRB as Thor actually swing his mallet before tossing it, again same comics as in Gladiator's example, Thanos outsmart someone.

Part 3

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Some "humor" Skreet taggings.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos10pg07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos10pg14.jpg

While I know Skreet has super speed I also know that flies are faster than Human's yet We are always capable of seeing such things and it seems this was portrayed as that, basically comparing skreet as a fly

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Catches Skreet being blasted back at a seemingly high speed from Maker:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos10pg16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos10pg17.jpg

This is the equivalent of catching a baseball that is coming to you at high speed, while probably faster than a baseball Thaos has already seen skreet failed attack there is a possibility that he is already waiting for it. Still not a bad reaction feat, the problem is that is assumed that because skreet was hit with light, she must be traveling at light speed. I think Maker able to block Skreet attack is actually more impressive

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Snatches Skreet out of the air after she surprises Fallen One. Though she was still going pretty fast, and was about to attack again.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos12pg18.jpg

Ignores the illustration in which implies that Skreet is actually just hovering and not moving at high speeds

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Backhands Maker's blast.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos10pg18.jpg

Ignores that he has already seen maker powering up, even on the previous panel

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos10-017_zpsa8923221.jpg.html

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Dodges an assassination attempt:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MarvelHolidaySpecial1993-61.jpg

Ignores context that Gamorra threw the doll a the assassin making the assassin miss his target

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/MarvelHolidaySpecial1993-62_zps138de881.jpg.html

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Snatches Moondragon out of the air:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/ann_04_021.jpg

Ignores that Thanos is already turning at Mondragon's attack, his body position indicates this

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And I use this because of Carver's infatuation with this thread and Hulk. Smacks a speeding Hulk out of the air:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Infinity006-014.jpg

Ignores the possibility that Thanos has already look at the Hulk from afar, that he is already aware of his presence, the distance Hulk may be traveling and that this is basically a baseball feat

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And the Fallen One:
Here is how he always takes off.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos11pg10.jpg

Teleportation falls far short, and hyperdrive would take up too much time:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos12pg07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos12pg08.jpg

And then of course Fallen One making said distance in a very short amount of time. In what at the most three pages of conversation?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos12pg09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos12pg12.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos12pg13.jpg

Thanos raised him arm and stopped him point blank, so naturally Fallen One is slow.

And here's another example of him taking off. Notice he's basically gone in the same panel he takes off. Which happened everytime.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos11pg24.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos12pg02.jpg

So keeping consistent, we believe he was acting at that speed every single time, but he suddenly slowed down to take down Thanos? What kind of belief is that?

Also, I might as well post Thanos stopping him when Fallen One is completely pissed off:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos12pg16.jpg

The only conclusion to get from this is that he was moving at an incredible speed. That's it. There's nothing less. And his speed was without a doubt shown as faster than Gladiator's in this comic, so...

Anyway, a couple scans are missing. A good addition would be the Champion fight, who Thanos made look like a fool. Of course Champion has tagged Mantis and completely made a fool of Gladiator, but I don't feel the need to show it. If someone wants to of course...

Fallen one's attacks are assumed to be performed at light speed, it ignores the possibility that Fallen one could not have been moved at those speeds and ignores acceleration, and the fact that Thanos is already ready for battle facing towards the fallen one

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos12-014_zps0b89de01.jpg.html

Also it does not look like the fallen one is zipping around in here even though it seems he is flying
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos12-005_zps81e1ce8c.jpg.html

I could very well said that Captain America reflexes are faster than light as Thanos dodged Surfer going FTL and yet Captain America dodged Thanos

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-41.jpg.html

THIS EXAMPLES ARE CIRCULAR REASONING

Circular reasoning:
This is when someone’s conclusion is buried in their premise.

Example: “Thanos has nanoseconds reaction reflexes because He reacted to his clone”.

The premise here (Thanos has nanosecond reaction time because he reacted to his clone) is simply stated as if you should be expected to just accept it, and the conclusion is only true if the premise is true.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So anyway, here's a sample of some Thanos scans. I'll get to the big two, which are the most relevant at the end. I'd look for more, and know there's quite a bit more, but there's no need.

Thanos reacts to his clone trying to cheapshot him. Also the dreaded speed lines in the tackle.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/10iw.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/11iw.jpg

If We must assume that Thanos is fast because he reacted to a Thanos clone, then is completely justifiable to use this as an examples

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CelestialQuest02-04.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CelestialQuest04-1920.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CelestialQuest04-21.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CelestialQuest04-22.jpg.html

PART 4

THIS IS A MISTAKEN FEAT

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Blasts JoH and is on him before he realizes what's going on:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/CosmicPowers-3-Jackofh-24.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/CosmicPowers-3-Jackofh-25.jpg

This one you might want to re-check. The one doing the blasting was TERRAX not Thanos like you claimed

THIS ARE INVALID FEATS OR NON-FEATS

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Here's Thanos vs hundreds of Death's Legion showing hand speed:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/MCP-109b-11.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/MCP-109b-12.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/MCP-109b-13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/MCP-109b-14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/MCP-109b-15.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/MCP-109b-16.jpg

He was in Astral form in Death's realm, This is almost a dream for Thanos, he is not even sure if this happened or not.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-11_zps692a356c.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-12_zps4b4b6ecd.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-13_zps9959acb8.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-14_zpsee228100.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-15_zps340ac5bb.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-16_zpsbe103024.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-17_zpsa05225a3.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-18_zpsf6327f6e.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-111b-11_zpsf2a22965.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-111b-12_zps3e73216e.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-111b-16_zpsa92048a8.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-111b-17_zps7a2689b1.jpg.html

Why do I think that He is fast for someone of his size, faster than a peak human athlete with some sort of Super speed, as fast as Thor PROBABLY, but not as fast as SPIDERMAN or Quicksilver?

Masterson Thor bullrushes him successfully and unlike the example you showed were you confused Terrax with Thanos this one was actually completely made by Masterson Thor

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-18-1.jpg.html

Successfully bull rushed by Morg

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-29.jpg.html

Gamorra out manouvers him easily on a sparring session

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/WarlockInfinityWatch008-16.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/WarlockInfinityWatch008-17.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/WarlockInfinityWatch008-18.jpg.html

By Thanos own admission he could not lay a hand on Gamorra

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/WarlockInfinityWatch008-19_zps0b7ec501.jpg.html

Mind that this is from the same comic where you presented your example of him catching Mantis's rock

Captain America dodges his punches

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-41.jpg.html

CM dances around him, yes I know that allegedly he got a few upgrades ever since. BUT MORE POWERFUL does not necessarily means faster
and apparently judging by the scans this holds true

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CaptainMarvelv1-31-17.jpg.html

IIRC Galactus's cyborgs are know to be fast, here Thanos acknowledges it, He wins in the end though robots didn't take advantage of their speed and were only used as a distraction

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/thanos04_14.jpg.html

This one is actually a mallet throw that IS FAST as it cover a great distance in short time

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_06-41.jpg.html

VS A LEGIT SPEEDSTER

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos_Quest_2_10.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos_Quest_2_11.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos_Quest_2_12.jpg.html

And this is why I have a hard time believing that Thanos could react to someone that moves really, really fast

I find it difficult to believe that if they began at the standard forum distance from one another that Thanos would not see Gladiator, and be able to react to him like he did in all of the scans provided by Bran?

This is without ignoring the fact that he would see Gladiator about to blitz. If Thanos' reaction times were that slow, it would not matter if he saw the Maker powering up or not to shoot an energy blast. It would still hit him if he were that slow, regardless of seeing anything about to happen. It's like saying a person capable of evading bullets as their best reaction feat, could evade lightning even if they saw it coming.

I mean, if we aren't ignoring things that is.

Originally posted by Stoic
I find it difficult to believe that if they began at the standard forum distance from one another that Thanos would not see Gladiator, and be able to react to him like he did in all of the scans provided by Bran?

This is without ignoring the fact that he would see Gladiator about to blitz. If Thanos' reaction times were that slow, it would not matter if he saw the Maker powering up or not to shoot an energy blast. It would still hit him if he were that slow, regardless of seeing anything about to happen. It's like saying a person capable of evading bullets as their best reaction feat, could evade lightning even if they saw it coming.

I mean, if we aren't ignoring things that is.

To give a perfect example Batman was able to out react Darkseid because He saw him powering up the OE

With out mentioning the fact that You are trying an strawman on the argument

I said Thanos sees Maker powering up, not already shooting light from her hands and the way she shot was in a whipping effect as well, not in a straight line, there are too many variables

You can see the difference right?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
To give a perfect example Batman was able to out react Darkseid because He saw him powering up the OE

With out mentioning the fact that You are trying an strawman on the argument

I said Thanos sees Maker powering up, not already shooting light from her hands and the way she shot was in a whipping effect as well, not in a straight line, there are too many variables

You can see the difference right?

To give a perfect example of a strawman is to read your first sentence.

You did not address anything that I said, but in turn tried to deceptively cover the point with lies, and deceit. Only an absolute idiot would have trouble seeing through this.

So like I said, without ignoring the FACT, that Thanos would see Gladiator as the battle began, like he was able to see the Fallen One, he would react to a blitz from him just like he did with the Fallen One.

Also, I would imagine that at the start of the battle, Gladiator would crouch slightly, and hurl himself at Thanos, which would be seen since Gladiator isn't the Invisible Man after all.

Proving that Thanos would not be able to react, is like proving that he did not react to the Fallen Ones attempted bull rush, which was easily stopped.

I did not see any type of whipping effect when the Maker simply fired off her energy attack at him. You must be imagining things.

So yes I do see the difference between a lie, and the truth.

I see the superman agenda, but honestly rao has spent some time and provided a lot of reason in his last three posts. there are only implications of thanos' super speed, I've never really seen anything explicitly shown.

Originally posted by Raisen
I see the superman agenda, but honestly rao has spent some time and provided a lot of reason in his last three posts. there are only implications of thanos' super speed, I've never really seen anything explicitly shown.

Superman has also suffered from the agility of great fighters, or very agile ones dancing around him though. Does this mean that those with agility, and great combat mechanics are faster than he is? Or is it simply that they have the ability to shake him out of his super sneakers due to classic fake outs, and feints?

Thanos has reacted to things far faster than bullets on panel. There are people that will argue against this without any proof to back their argument, and even go to lengths of tacking speed limits on these feats. How can you tack speed limits on something, when none were given in the very stories that these things took place? Even if you saw a device across the room from you charge up, and fire a light speed projectile that is going to hit you, you will not be able to move out of the way, or swat it away unless you were capable of reacting at those speeds.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
PART 1

I was kind of hesitant to respond to this as We basically agree on the outcome of this battle, however I will waste the opportunity I was looking into discussing Thanos speed so

I will respond to this first as I basically agree with you

Also ignores the possibility that I wanted this thread to die because it's Thanos vs Gladiator and I tried to kill it. But sure, let's reinvigorate it. I mean, we both love Thanos no?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I will say that Gladiator blitzes were effective when it comes to land them (well not all of them), it is just that He delivers them poorly (all of them)

Now onto the other response and the one that will lead to the scans of Thanos speed

So do you still think Thanos gets speedblitzed? Or is your only point here that Thanos is slow while you ignore everything about Gladiator's useless speedblitzes?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This one seems legit, You could hardly argue anything about this one, except that he was kind of looking over his shoulder, but this one seems like a legit one 👆

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
PART 2

THIS IS CORRELATION IMPLIES CAUSATION

Correlation implies causation
This type of argument claims that since A is associated with B, then A causes B.

Example: “Afterimages, blurry images, and speed lines usually are used in manga and comics to denote speed. Therefore, anything drawn with afterimages and blurry effects must be moving very fast.”

This argument ignores the possibility that the said effects were added for some other reason, or that they are simply there to exaggerate the object’s movement rather than to imply vast supernatural speed.

I said at the most that it implies some degree of superspeed. And got into why it was that sort of speed.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lets see at a some interesting aspects here

While Ganymade is shown moving really fast on the Silver Surfer issues, it can't be said the same of the Ganymade shown on Cosmic powers

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p28_zpsd96e4a59.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p29_zps2b0b341c.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p30_zps807fbb1f.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p31-32_zps847db1d1.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/199405CosmicPowersv1003p34_zpsa9fda843.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-22_zps2aa34886.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-26-27_zps9505a9fb.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-28_zps6c74880a.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-29_zps0969d2e3.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-31_zpsa2e3da20.jpg.html

Just look at how she attacked Terrax, by your logic she rushed Terrax the same way, yet Terrax was able to react and counter attack much faster than the Surfer did originally, she didn't dance around Terrax landing several blows in a second why? because this is the speed she was displayed to have in this arc, nowhere she was shown again to be that fast even if the story was written by the same writer, she never was portrayed with the same level of speed as in the Silver Surfer comics.
Marz might have changed his stance onto how fast his own creation was, but lets say for a moment that you were right, that little sphere Thanos has does not help the argument. That sphere is at least Thanos + Morg power stacked or that is the impression I got from reading it

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
PART 2

THIS IS CORRELATION IMPLIES CAUSATION

Correlation implies causation
This type of argument claims that since A is associated with B, then A causes B.

Example: “Afterimages, blurry images, and speed lines usually are used in manga and comics to denote speed. Therefore, anything drawn with afterimages and blurry effects must be moving very fast.”

This argument ignores the possibility that the said effects were added for some other reason, or that they are simply there to exaggerate the object’s movement rather than to imply vast supernatural speed.

Terrax tagging her once with a blast isn't proof of her being slow. Especially when she completely makes a fool of him.
Both Terrax and Morg used their durability to catch her. She still was way faster than them. And neither of them are exactly slow. Morg less so. Thanos on the other hand completely avoided being actually tagged by her while she was propelled forward. Both of them were tagged while she was moving in basic form, without her flight/staff (which was allowed her to travel to Surfer really fast and fly alongside him). Surfer was tagged while she was using flight. Slight difference.

There's also the fact that she wasn't using her staff and flight to propel herself like she was in the Surfer/Robots/and Thanos blitz attempt.

But anyway, Morg/Terrax/and Surfer all tagged her at some point. But out of all of them, only Thanos avoided being tagged, or his attacks avoided. Not saying Thanos is faster than them, but you denying it being a good feat is meh.
And she's still faster than Gladiator either way you look at it.

Not only was that sphere only used for blasts, but you literally state in one of these posts (and prior to) that power doesn't equal speed. 😂
Not only that, but it's heavily implied he absorbed the power later anyway.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
THIS EXAMPLES ARE FALSE DICHOTIMIES

False dichotomy
This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.

Example: “Lightning travels at relativistic speed. If lightning is heading towards you, either you’ll can’t move that fast and you’ll be hit, or you can move that fast and you can block or dodge it. Thanos blocked Maker’s attack, so therefore Thanos can move at relativistic speed.”

The person in this example ignores the possibility that Thanos could have seen Maker powering up her attack before she actually fired it and was already ready to defend.

lol at all this powering up nonsense though which I'll get to later, but for right now, he could see her powering up for 100 years, but he still has to actually react to the attack. Not to mention that I think pointing your finger to attack point blank is a lot quicker and less subtle than Gladiator's bodybuilder ass and giant ass red cape flying at him.

Come on.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores the fact that Thanos is already looking at such attack and the distance to which those rocks are falling down

Also ignores the fact that he'll see Gladiator coming at him in a forum fight, which makes your criticism pointless.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores the fact that Thanos is already seeing Thor getting ready for an attack

Also again, forum fights.

You say yourself later that it was traveling at a decent speed. If he's raising his arm to stop this when it's traveling already and activating a shield, then I can't see how it isn't a reaction feat relevant to this thread.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores the fact that Silver Surfer got attacked previously and That Thanos is already ready and waiting for a fight after all he is the one who started it

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CPU1-0021-22_zps5c3d6fb7.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CPU1-0023_zpsa05a88bf.jpg.html

I don't even understand how Thanos being ready for it means anything. Does he start forum fights unready to fight or something? How is this a possible criticism to you? Like 3/4's of every reaction feat in comics happens when people are ready for it.

He literally stuck his hand up to block a Surfer blast, which travel pretty fast and then smacked him out of midair before Surfer could accomplish anything else. Unless he already had safeguards in place before the battle, I can't see how him being ready does anything to diminish the actual feat.

Severe reaching.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores the fact that He is already looking at JoH and the speed in which said bullrush was performed

How exactly do you expect people to react to a bullrush? To turn completely around and stop them at the precise moment of impact? It doesn't matter how long he sees them for, he still has to hit them and react to the incoming speed. Not to mention comprehend what is coming at him.

Is your argument seriously that "He saw them and therefore it doesn't count!"? I am completely baffled by what you want out of these occasions. Should Thanos exclaim mid rush that "No stop for a moment. I saw you mid action and therefore it doesn't count if I hit you. Redo that. This time I'll close my eyes and blindly hit you because that shows relevant battle speed more!"?

JoH used his speed to try and hit Thanos and it didn't work. Thanos reacted perfectly. Gladiator's blitzes are straight up bullrushes. Thanos seeing people and reacting to them is suddenly discounted because that can't possibly be relevant to this fight?
Like what I said earlier I believe.

In case it needs to be said again, but he's going to see nearly anyone come at him in a forum fight. Him seeing them before hand doesn't increase his reactions.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores the variables of Gladiator's speed of his initial attack, Ignores the fact that Door is already in place when the attack starts, plus that apperently and judging by the art Gladiator is moving forward with his hand as if he has the intention of punching something, which COULD have been that he thought that rectangular shape was not a teleporter but a shield next panel he is with his fist like he already tried to punch the rectangular field. It seems more like a trap, Judging by Thanos history of outsmarting people a trap is a very viable answer

He activated that in the time that Gladiator flew at him. Simple really. It doesn't matter what he did, he still did it in the time Gladiator flew at him. And considering Gladiator apparently traveling a distance through the teleporter at a speed he couldn't slow down or control, it stands to reason he was going a decent speed.

And the teleporter being up already as your argument is, Gladiator didn't even have time to do anything or slow down apparently. He was obviously going slow.

Also lol at you making up the context of why Gladiator didn't slow down. He was actually trying to punch a shield? Really, then show the panels where that is stated. If that was the intention, and considering how verbose Starlin was about all of his intentions in that comic, then surely the scan exists where that is stated?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores the dialogue in which implies that Thanos tricked BBR into tossing his hammer and the possibility that Thanos is already expecting such an attack also ignores the speed in which the mallet was thrown, if any I will say that Thor threw his mallet faster than BRB as Thor actually swing his mallet before tossing it, again same comics as in Gladiator's example, Thanos outsmart someone.

Also, lol at bringing up the Thor example when you're trying to write it off in the same post. Your criticism is that Thor's toss doesn't count because he spun it, but now your criticism of Beta Ray Bill is that he didn't spin it and therefore it's slow as hell? What the ****?

Foreshadowing an attack doesn't count, but let me be damned sure to tell you that not foreshadowing an attack doesn't count either. 😂

Anyway. Again, he stops Beta's hammer as soon as he applied his power. He didn't charge up or have safeguards in place, or whatever you're trying to make up. He simply raised his arm and stopped it. His arms were down when the hammer was almost upon it, and then his hand was up to stop the hammer. Which means he moved his hand in position to stop it as well as apply an "esoteric" power in that same time that completely stopped and contained Stormbreaker in a panel.

I don't get how this is not impressive. Also, lol at outsmarts someone, not speed. I don't even get how you can twist it into that considering your lack of actual evidence.

It's either an Inception conspiracy or Thanos simply reacts to a hammer toss. Even if you assume Thanos knew that that was exactly what was going to happen, he still had to react to it. 😬

I was going to post a bunch of examples of Beta's throwing speed when unspun, but one should suffice... I ****ing hope.
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_throw12.jpg

Escapes the pull of two singularities. So him simply not spinning it doesn't mean it's slow. 😬

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Part 3

While I know Skreet has super speed I also know that flies are faster than Human's yet We are always capable of seeing such things and it seems this was portrayed as that, basically comparing skreet as a fly

She's still fast though either way. Way ****ing faster than a fly.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This is the equivalent of catching a baseball that is coming to you at high speed, while probably faster than a baseball Thaos has already seen skreet failed attack there is a possibility that he is already waiting for it. Still not a bad reaction feat, the problem is that is assumed that because skreet was hit with light, she must be traveling at light speed. I think Maker able to block Skreet attack is actually more impressive

Yes, naturally Thanos was expecting her to get blasted directly back towards his hand. Actually, his hand was probably up the whole time.

These excuses.

She was blasted back at a high speed, and he caught her when he saw she was coming back. That's it. Stop making up context.

Maker blocked her yes, but how is that more impressive going by your logic considering your constant use of the "he saw it coming!!!"?
I don't even know anymore. Either way, Thanos went on to fight Maker no issue, so...

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores the illustration in which implies that Skreet is actually just hovering and not moving at high speeds

Basically Thanos grabbed her in between her attack. Which as we saw earlier, happened extremely quick. Ram, stop, ram, stop, ram, stop, etc.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores that he has already seen maker powering up, even on the previous panel

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos10-017_zpsa8923221.jpg.html

The next blast was a new shot (as indicated by it not flexing) anyway, and he slapped that at nearly point blank. How does it ****ing matter that she fired off an attack prior to? These are fights, not complete resets in between attacks with no prior knowledge.

She fired a blast and he slapped it up close. It doesn't matter if she fired a hundred prior to, or even announced she was just about to attack. He still slapped it out of midair either way.

I simply don't understand how you can consider this a point.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores context that Gamorra threw the doll a the assassin making the assassin miss his target

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/MarvelHolidaySpecial1993-62_zps138de881.jpg.html

On another note, I find it absolutely thrilling that you have a bucket entitled "Thanos limits" when you've recently said that you love the character. Or that you have a Marvel folder basically dedicated to "limits" of Surfer, Hulk, and Thor, and then your DC folder is free of any of that.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores that Thanos is already turning at Mondragon's attack, his body position indicates this

lol at Thanos turning being a reason for doubt. If Thanos is even halfway towards looking in the general direction that is now reason enough to discount a feat? Like what the ****?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ignores the possibility that Thanos has already look at the Hulk from afar, that he is already aware of his presence, the distance Hulk may be traveling and that this is basically a baseball feat

Plus when he came back he was stated to be incredibly fast as well. As Carver showed.

But your likening to baseball to try and discredit things is humorous to me. Even highly trained baseball players would be hard pressed to hit 100mph fastball. If characters are traveling at or around lightspeed (not saying Hulk was before you twist it) in ways that are relevant to the infamous "speed blitz", you don't think that's relevant to battle speed? Is anytime anyone reacts to a "baseball pitch" irrelevant to battle speed when the sole purpose they reacted in the first place was due to battle?

Gladiator is the definition of your problems with Thanos' feats. "Baseball". And Gladiator is the sole reason I posted these feats. Yet you're trying to tell me the feats don't count because of "baseball"? What sort of shit is this?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Fallen one's attacks are assumed to be performed at light speed, it ignores the possibility that Fallen one could not have been moved at those speeds and ignores acceleration, and the fact that Thanos is already ready for battle facing towards the fallen one

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos12-014_zps0b89de01.jpg.html

Also it does not look like the fallen one is zipping around in here even though it seems he is flying
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos12-005_zps81e1ce8c.jpg.html

I could very well said that Captain America reflexes are faster than light as Thanos dodged Surfer going FTL and yet Captain America dodged Thanos

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-41.jpg.html

Also lol at the second scan. Do you honestly see a purpose with that seriously? Just because he was floating when he was yelling at Galactus, that that discounts his speed? Should I post some examples of Gladiator simply floating and say he's super slow and not zipping around? Or should I say Superman just floating, since this is the real reason you answered no?
He's just floating, that's it. Seriously. People with superspeed and flight can just float around you know.

Then go right ahead and say Cap is way faster than light. Considering you use this scan twice, it's no simple throwaway scan.
Anyway, one could make the argument that Surfer missed. But considering how badly Thanos was screwing with literally everyone else in that comic, one could just make the argument he was screwing with Cap. Backed up by as soon as he realizes that his screwing around almost cost him his gauntlet, he slaps Cap away easily. Also backed up by pretty much every other page in that comic.

Anyway, here's a scan that someone thought was relevant context. It pretty much answers all avenues of this.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63715/1873291-667010_thanos_super.jpg

However, that's not all. Thanos had a bunch of avatars split off to investigate the timelines at the specific point in time as well, while he held a weakened IG.
http://i59.tinypic.com/21e5he8.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/2eb8y85.jpg

So there was lots of factors going on in the Infinity Gauntlet. I mean, you can't possibly think Iron Man can rock Thanos can you? Oh wait, it's already in Thanos' limits section...
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-24.jpg

Heh. The limits of Thanos.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
THIS EXAMPLES ARE CIRCULAR REASONING

Circular reasoning:
This is when someone’s conclusion is buried in their premise.

Example: “Thanos has nanoseconds reaction reflexes because He reacted to his clone”.

The premise here (Thanos has nanosecond reaction time because he reacted to his clone) is simply stated as if you should be expected to just accept it, and the conclusion is only true if the premise is true.

Lying:
the telling of lies, or false statements; untruthfulness:

Example: "Bran used the clone scan to prove nanosecond reflexes"

The premise here is that you are blatantly lying. I simply used that scan to show Thanos striking completely from behind faster than his clone could punch. And considering your earlier logic, this is like the only good type of speed feat considering there was zero tell in it.

It was used as a self contained incident. Nothing more, nothing less. It wasn't used as a nanosecond speed feat, which, lol at you drawing that conclusion, in fact literally none of my scans had that mindset in mind. First, because it's retarded. Second, because Gladiator can't blitz at the "nanosecond speed". Every single one of my scans however was used to show Thanos had a degree of superspeed, with Ganymede and Fallen One being the most relevant to Glads... besides Glads.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
If We must assume that Thanos is fast because he reacted to a Thanos clone, then is completely justifiable to use this as an examples

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CelestialQuest02-04.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CelestialQuest04-1920.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CelestialQuest04-21.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CelestialQuest04-22.jpg.html

Not to mention that the Thanosi tags him in the next panel. As well as Starfox traveled to another solar system at the very least in that comic, so he was obviously pretty slow. In fact, it was taking Thor's hammer powering a starship 78 hours to reach the destination which we know wasn't in Sol, and Thanos was somewhere around there.
So all in all, that's not even a bad feat if it was Thanos. 😬

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
PART 4

THIS IS A MISTAKEN FEAT

This one you might want to re-check. The one doing the blasting was TERRAX not Thanos like you claimed

THIS ARE INVALID FEATS OR NON-FEATS

That's me forgetting to write the word "Terrax". But yes, I think Thanos grabbed the axe out of Terrax's hand and handed it back to him. 😂

"You were wrong on an aspect, it doesn't count!"

Well, no. That piece of info literally changes nothing. Thanos was right beside Terrax. It doesn't matter if he was beside Terrax, or he fired it, the end result is the same. He was on JoH before JoH knew what was going on. He looked down and Thanos was there. It's quite simple really.

Though I am really unsure how you figure whoever blasted JoH is relevant to the actual point. All I wanted to portray is that Thanos was dick to face with him before JoH could do anything.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
He was in Astral form in Death's realm, This is almost a dream for Thanos, he is not even sure if this happened or not.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-11_zps692a356c.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-12_zps4b4b6ecd.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-13_zps9959acb8.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-14_zpsee228100.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-15_zps340ac5bb.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-16_zpsbe103024.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-17_zpsa05225a3.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-108b-18_zpsf6327f6e.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-111b-11_zpsf2a22965.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-111b-12_zps3e73216e.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-111b-16_zpsa92048a8.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/mcp-111b-17_zps7a2689b1.jpg.html

Which was also thought to be a dream, but it evidentially happened since that's how Thanos was revived.

And this might be a point if Thanos didn't do the exact same thing earlier this month anyway. In fact, it even seems that Thanos is weaker when he's in this form as he states he was not sure he could manage the blast he fires, and he leaves Groot and Rocket thinking Drax is seeing shit:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-008.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-011.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-013.jpg

So yeah, spiritual. Irrelevant. He doesn't suddenly get super hand speed.

Dream sequence when he thinks there's no evidence it didn't happen. Also irrelevant.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Why do I think that He is fast for someone of his size, faster than a peak human athlete with some sort of Super speed, as fast as Thor PROBABLY, but not as fast as SPIDERMAN or Quicksilver?

Masterson Thor bullrushes him successfully and unlike the example you showed were you confused Terrax with Thanos this one was actually completely made by Masterson Thor

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-18-1.jpg.html

http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Spacetravel_zpsb0f87f34.jpg

Not that I really care since it's unneeded, but anyway. Yeah, Spider-Man fast. Good objectivity.

Anyway, you're using a page from a comic where Thanos got hit by literally everyone. There's no difference here behind this or Nova hitting him. Hell, he was literally laughing while Firelord was choking him and Drax was blasting him. He BFR'ed his hammer to screw with him.

lol at this being a lack of speed though. He just bfr's his hammer in the same page. If he wanted to there's no reason to assume he wouldn't have stopped Thor. Unless he moves faster than his hammer throw. Which, considering your Thor limits album, I really doubt you want to try and argue that.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Successfully bull rushed by Morg

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-29.jpg.html

However, the next page has him reaching over, grabbing an axe and blocking Morg's attack in the time it takes for Morg to swing his axe.
You even uploaded it in your limits album. Presumably because Thanos was terrified of the axe. Though... actually, yeah, bring that up next Thanos thread. It will be interesting to see the results.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-30.jpg

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Gamorra out manouvers him easily on a sparring session

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/WarlockInfinityWatch008-16.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/WarlockInfinityWatch008-17.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/WarlockInfinityWatch008-18.jpg.html

By Thanos own admission he could not lay a hand on Gamorra

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/WarlockInfinityWatch008-19_zps0b7ec501.jpg.html

Mind that this is from the same comic where you presented your example of him catching Mantis's rock

There's not much to say about this other than it being a sparring session. It's not a good feat to be sure, but it is what it is. He can't have completely perfect showings.

However, considering he KO'ed Mantis, and Moondragon off panel who were more than comparable to that Gamora in speed in a mindless state in Imperative (and Major Victory who is somewhat quick), it seems like that's not exactly the staple of Thanos' speed (as much as it's brought up). Or that Thanos's power increases indeed help with speed. Either or.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Captain America dodges his punches

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-41.jpg.html

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
CM dances around him, yes I know that allegedly he got a few upgrades ever since. BUT MORE POWERFUL does not necessarily means faster
and apparently judging by the scans this holds true

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CaptainMarvelv1-31-17.jpg.html

You realize you're at a severe lack of "low feats" in the past decade and a half? In fact if anything his feats get better, so it definitely seems like he gets faster...

Anyway. Thanos proceeds to knock Mar-Vell out in the next page. The next panel he grabs him. But anyway, he misses one attack after being cheapshotted out of nowhere. 😬

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
IIRC Galactus's cyborgs are know to be fast, here Thanos acknowledges it, He wins in the end though robots didn't take advantage of their speed and were only used as a distraction

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/thanos04_14.jpg.html

So anyway, it outright talks of their speed in the scan.

Anyway, one of them blitzed JoH and Iron Man at the same time.
Plus this:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/SS_v3_017_09a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/SS_v3_017_09b.jpg

No shit Thanos without shields got tackled by two of them. The better thing however, is that Thanos was one shotting them with his hip blasts. Which he could simply fire if he was being blitzed.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/Thanos04pg19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_109_08b.jpg

Thanos one shotted what, 8 of them? I know it's not about speed here what I'm saying, but that is an absolutely terrible place to look for low feats.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This one is actually a mallet throw that IS FAST as it cover a great distance in short time

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_06-41.jpg.html

Plus by your prior logic, he should have just activated a shield while he was spinning his hammer... at least I think that's what you're trying to make up in your previous arguments.

Also lol at trying to say the other hammer throws were slow.

Also, another thing to note, but that distance of the hammer throw that you called fast... but wait a minute, let's take a look at something.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos11pg10.jpg

That seems pretty far in the same panel Fallen One took off. Imagine if it got to two panels like Thor's hammer did?

But acceleration is a must discuss topic in the case of Fallen One?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
VS A LEGIT SPEEDSTER

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos_Quest_2_10.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos_Quest_2_11.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Thanos_Quest_2_12.jpg.html

And this is why I have a hard time believing that Thanos could react to someone that moves really, really fast

I don't get the point of this scan. I mean, I know it looks bad, but it's like, what relevance does this have to Gladiator, or even Superman for that matter?
Imagine if that was Gladiator against Runner. 😂

Anyway, here's a showing I accidentally found while looking for the spirit scan. Here he activates his shield when Surfer's blast is almost of him. Naturally Surfer slowed his blast down. And then toys with him some more.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_038_11a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_038_11b.jpg

However, this is what I wanted to get to because it's pretty funny.

Compare and contrast Thanos's fight against Champ with the PG to Gladiator's fight with Champ with the PG if you will. No explanation needed.
Thanos:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb1_zpsed66dbcf.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb2_zpsa4bb14b3.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb3_zpsfc549776.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb4_zps656a1925.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb5_zps2d784de5.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb6_zps6f86c625.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb7_zps4ea19e57.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb8_zps7e34d9c1.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb9_zpsc88d897c.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb10_zps0cb089a5.png

Gladiator:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SheHulk70076.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SheHulk70084.jpg

I think Thanos should be able to easily stop Gladiator from hitting him if he chooses that route. 🙂

However, it's likely a close range fight for a couple shots until Gladiator gets KO'ed if we're going by how this is likely to go.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

So there was lots of factors going on in the Infinity Gauntlet. I mean, you can't possibly think Iron Man can rock Thanos can you? Oh wait, it's already in Thanos' limits section...
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-24.jpg

Heh. The limits of Thanos.

😂

He seriously has an album titled that?

LMAO. I don't want to be prejudice against Superman, but I have never met a more insecure and petty group of fans. You can't just stick to wanking like a regular fanboy, no, you gotta try your best to shit on everyone else too.

Also, I actually read this entire conversation (The TTC is taking forever) and, well, I wish we had a hall of fame section on KMC.
.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

He seriously has an album titled that?

LMAO. I don't want to be prejudice against Superman, but I have never met a more insecure and petty group of fans. You can't just stick to wanking like a regular fanboy, no, you gotta try your best to shit on everyone else too.

Also, I actually read this entire conversation (The TTC is taking forever) and, well, I wish we had a hall of fame section on KMC.

At this point, speed feats are apparently questionable if a character's neck is turned in that general direction or something.

The Hulk limits one is massive though. That'd take a while to even skim through. He might as well retitle it the "Go suck a dick Carver" bucket
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/library/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits?sort=3&page=1

But yeah, I don't get what he wants in regards to reaction feats. Is it close your eyes and swing? I'm not sure.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I haven't skimmed through the Thor limits section but it's bigger than the Thanos one.
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/library/Marvel%20Comics/Thors%20limits?sort=3&page=1

The Hulk limits one is massive though. That'd take a while to even skim through. He might as well retitle it the "Go suck a dick Carver" bucket
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/library/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits?sort=3&page=1

But yeah, I don't get what he wants in regards to reaction feats. Is it close your eyes and swing? I'm not sure.

😂

Woooow.

10 pages? 19 pages? Wtf? And from a quick look, some are just snippets from fights that might seem unfavorable. I.e. out of context lowballing fodder.

This just makes me sad. 🙁

Also, how is this thread at 30 pages? You guys realize that Gladiator not being one-shot would actually be a victory.

I mean, all kidding aside, you guys aren't idiots, Thanos would easily end Gladiator even if he tried speed blitzing him. That's just how it's going to go. Like, the best you can hope for is Thanos not making him look completely pathetic if they fought. srug

And they're probably going to meet up sometime soon in the future.

I don't even know what's going on anymore. I just wanted to check KMC on my comp while I was home for a couple days, and then beat off. Now I'm dragged back into this soul sucking thread.

Oh well, can still beat off.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

Woooow.

10 pages? 19 pages? Wtf? And from a quick look, some are just snippets from fights that might seem unfavorable. I.e. out of context lowballing fodder.

This just makes me sad. 🙁

Also, how is this thread at 30 pages? You guys realize that Gladiator not being one-shot would actually be a victory.

I mean, all kidding aside, you guys aren't idiots, Thanos would easily end Gladiator even if he tried speed blitzing him. That's just how it's going to go. Like, the best you can hope for is Thanos not making him look completely pathetic if they fought. srug

And they're probably going to meet up sometime soon in the future.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You realize he's hitting Morg in that bullrush, don't you? That's simply an example of him not throwing enough power out and then getting tackled due to it. There's not much more to say about this except that he's literally hitting Morg there.

However, the next page has him reaching over, grabbing an axe and blocking Morg's attack in the time it takes for Morg to swing his axe.
You even uploaded it in your limits album. Presumably because Thanos was terrified of the axe. Though... actually, yeah, bring that up next Thanos thread. It will be interesting to see the results.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-30.jpg

Thanos was at a lower power level there and in the entirety of Infinity War. I don't want to say half, but...
Also relevant to his spirit in Death's realm at that time, but anyway...

There's not much to say about this other than it being a sparring session. It's not a good feat to be sure, but it is what it is. He can't have completely perfect showings.

However, considering he KO'ed Mantis, and Moondragon off panel who were more than comparable to that Gamora in speed in a mindless state in Imperative (and Major Victory who is somewhat quick), it seems like that's not exactly the staple of Thanos' speed (as much as it's brought up). Or that Thanos's power increases indeed help with speed. Either or.

Already discussed this.

lol at "allegedly". You looked through his comics looking for low feats. You know throwing that word in there is meaningless.

You realize you're at a severe lack of "low feats" in the past decade and a half? In fact if anything his feats get better, so it definitely seems like he gets faster...

Anyway. Thanos proceeds to knock Mar-Vell out in the next page. The next panel he grabs him. But anyway, he misses one attack after being cheapshotted out of nowhere. 😬

Did you just point out that Thanos said they were fast and then say they didn't take advantage of their speed? Decide on your argument please. Also considering you're using this to try and say Thanos is slow, it seems this is likely a speed showing.

So anyway, it outright talks of their speed in the scan.

Anyway, one of them blitzed JoH and Iron Man at the same time.
Plus this:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/SS_v3_017_09a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/SS_v3_017_09b.jpg

No shit Thanos without shields got tackled by two of them. The better thing however, is that Thanos was one shotting them with his hip blasts. Which he could simply fire if he was being blitzed.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/Thanos04pg19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_109_08b.jpg

Thanos one shotted what, 8 of them? I know it's not about speed here what I'm saying, but that is an absolutely terrible place to look for low feats.

You realize he was literally trying to kill himself (or sell it at least) at that point in time? Hell, he even took that fast hammer throw and teleported out to fake his own death. Like I mean, there's such thing as allowing yourself to get hit. Though I'm sure we'll see from Infinity Thanos letting Thor hit him to try and prove Thanos is slow. Wouldn't doubt it anyway.

Plus by your prior logic, he should have just activated a shield while he was spinning his hammer... at least I think that's what you're trying to make up in your previous arguments.

Also lol at trying to say the other hammer throws were slow.

Also, another thing to note, but that distance of the hammer throw that you called fast... but wait a minute, let's take a look at something.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos11pg10.jpg

That seems pretty far in the same panel Fallen One took off. Imagine if it got to two panels like Thor's hammer did?

But acceleration is a must discuss topic in the case of Fallen One?

A legit speedster with the Space Gem. Who is crazily faster than anyone even mentioned in this thread.

I don't get the point of this scan. I mean, I know it looks bad, but it's like, what relevance does this have to Gladiator, or even Superman for that matter?
Imagine if that was Gladiator against Runner. 😂

Anyway, here's a showing I accidentally found while looking for the spirit scan. Here he activates his shield when Surfer's blast is almost of him. Naturally Surfer slowed his blast down. And then toys with him some more.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_038_11a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_038_11b.jpg

However, this is what I wanted to get to because it's pretty funny.

Compare and contrast Thanos's fight against Champ with the PG to Gladiator's fight with Champ with the PG if you will. No explanation needed.
Thanos:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb1_zpsed66dbcf.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb2_zpsa4bb14b3.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb3_zpsfc549776.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb4_zps656a1925.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb5_zps2d784de5.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb6_zps6f86c625.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb7_zps4ea19e57.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb8_zps7e34d9c1.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb9_zpsc88d897c.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb10_zps0cb089a5.png

Gladiator:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SheHulk70076.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SheHulk70084.jpg

I think Thanos should be able to easily stop Gladiator from hitting him if he chooses that route. 🙂

However, it's likely a close range fight for a couple shots until Gladiator gets KO'ed if we're going by how this is likely to go.

And acceleration is a must. The fallen one scene doesn't show distance or time. Actually it did. He didn't even travel far from the planet in that little burst.