Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Mind telling me what Quicksilver could do at super speed that would allow him to knock out a future sentinel or even Colossus?You know, this is getting ridiculous.
Look at it this way: if what you are saying is true, then any time Thanos decides to fist fight against a high herald one-on-one, the contest should be pretty close. But that isn't what happens. What happens is that a high-herald has a great showing if he even makes Thanos' nose bleed and he is shown time and time again beat them around like playthings.
This is not a comic fight where PIS exists and characters not fighting to the best of their ability AS SHOWN BEFORE.
Quicksilver can grab something hard and hit them with a kinetic energy that is more than millions of times that of a bullet. And he can do so as many times as he wants.
Originally posted by EstacadoBlack Dwarf is an unknown and new character. He can beat anyone without it being bad writing. So I fail to see him beating anyone as a low showing.
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Black Dwarf much?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
PART 2THIS IS CORRELATION IMPLIES CAUSATION
Correlation implies causation
This type of argument claims that since A is associated with B, then A causes B.Example: “Afterimages, blurry images, and speed lines usually are used in manga and comics to denote speed. Therefore, anything drawn with afterimages and blurry effects must be moving very fast.”
This argument ignores the possibility that the said effects were added for some other reason, or that they are simply there to exaggerate the object’s movement rather than to imply vast supernatural speed.
Lets see at a some interesting aspects here
While Ganymade is shown moving really fast on the Silver Surfer issues, it can't be said the same of the Ganymade shown on Cosmic powers
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http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-22_zps2aa34886.jpg.html
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http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-31_zpsa2e3da20.jpg.htmlJust look at how she attacked Terrax, by your logic she rushed Terrax the same way, yet Terrax was able to react and counter attack much faster than the Surfer did originally, she didn't dance around Terrax landing several blows in a second why? because this is the speed she was displayed to have in this arc, nowhere she was shown again to be that fast even if the story was written by the same writer, she never was portrayed with the same level of speed as in the Silver Surfer comics.
Marz might have changed his stance onto how fast his own creation was, but lets say for a moment that you were right, that little sphere Thanos has does not help the argument. That sphere is at least Thanos + Morg power stacked or that is the impression I got from reading itTHIS EXAMPLES ARE FALSE DICHOTIMIES
False dichotomy
This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.Example: “Lightning travels at relativistic speed. If lightning is heading towards you, either you’ll can’t move that fast and you’ll be hit, or you can move that fast and you can block or dodge it. Thanos blocked Maker’s attack, so therefore Thanos can move at relativistic speed.”
The person in this example ignores the possibility that Thanos could have seen Maker powering up her attack before she actually fired it and was already ready to defend.
Ignores the fact that Thanos is already looking at such attack and the distance to which those rocks are falling down
Ignores the fact that Thanos is already seeing Thor getting ready for an attack
Ignores the fact that Silver Surfer got attacked previously and That Thanos is already ready and waiting for a fight after all he is the one who started it
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CPU1-0021-22_zps5c3d6fb7.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/CPU1-0023_zpsa05a88bf.jpg.htmlIgnores the fact that He is already looking at JoH and the speed in which said bullrush was performed
Ignores the variables of Gladiator's speed of his initial attack, Ignores the fact that Door is already in place when the attack starts, plus that apperently and judging by the art Gladiator is moving forward with his hand as if he has the intention of punching something, which COULD have been that he thought that rectangular shape was not a teleporter but a shield next panel he is with his fist like he already tried to punch the rectangular field. It seems more like a trap, Judging by Thanos history of outsmarting people a trap is a very viable answer
Ignores the dialogue in which implies that Thanos tricked BBR into tossing his hammer and the possibility that Thanos is already expecting such an attack also ignores the speed in which the mallet was thrown, if any I will say that Thor threw his mallet faster than BRB as Thor actually swing his mallet before tossing it, again same comics as in Gladiator's example, Thanos outsmart someone.
Do you even know what you're arguing against right now? You're saying these examples ignore the fact that he's looking at them and waiting for the attack.. UMMMMMMM ... he'll be LOOKING AT GLADS AND WAITING FOR HIS ATTACK IN THIS VERY VS FORUM FIGHT. So those example are VERY relevant and aren't cast aside for the reasons you're implying. IF he was able to react a hammer toss and raise his hand fast enough AFTER it was tossed... How is that different than him LOOKING at Glads and waiting for or expecting him to attack and him counter?
OK IT TOOK SOME TIME, but Here is the responses
Even if this topic is so time consuming
POST 1
Originally posted by Stoic
I find it difficult to believe that if they began at the standard forum distance from one another that Thanos would not see Gladiator, and be able to react to him like he did in all of the scans provided by Bran?
Since I didn't respond to this and apparently you THOUGHT it was some sort of me trying to dodge the point I will answer it. Well, yeah even though WE (you, most people and I) know that Gladiator has super speed, yet , he uses it poorly, not because he is slow, because We know he is fast, but because a comic book with 3 pages is not entertaining (is even on the rules) So yeah! the way Gladiator is usually depicted in comics OF COURSE Thanos is going to see him, and I will agree with you, HOWEVER
Originally posted by Stoic
This is without ignoring the fact that he would see Gladiator about to blitz.
If a writer decided to really use Gladiator's speed, there is nothing Thanos can do, unless he has some sort of plot device to deal with Gladiator's speed
Originally posted by Stoic
If Thanos' reaction times were that slow, it would not matter if he saw the Maker powering up or not to shoot an energy blast. It would still hit him if he were that slow, regardless of seeing anything about to happen. It's like saying a person capable of evading bullets as their best reaction feat, could evade lightning even if they saw it coming.I mean, if we aren't ignoring things that is.
This is what I meant by your strawman and it is that a strawman, Dodging an already fired blast is not the same as dodging a blast when they had already seen the other character powering up and I cited an example that shows the point
Batman out-reacted Darkseid, not because Batman is faster than light, but because Batman SAW Darkseid powering up, if you can't see the difference is maybe because you just don't want to see it.
Originally posted by StoicTo give a perfect example of a strawman is to read your first sentence.
You did not address anything that I said, but in turn tried to deceptively cover the point with lies, and deceit. Only an absolute idiot would have trouble seeing through this.
So like I said, without ignoring the FACT, that Thanos would see Gladiator as the battle began, like he was able to see the Fallen One, he would react to a blitz from him just like he did with the Fallen One.
Also, I would imagine that at the start of the battle, Gladiator would crouch slightly, and hurl himself at Thanos, which would be seen since Gladiator isn't the Invisible Man after all.
Proving that Thanos would not be able to react, is like proving that he did not react to the Fallen Ones attempted bull rush, which was easily stopped.
I did not see any type of whipping effect when the Maker simply fired off her energy attack at him. You must be imagining things.
Ok I already responded to most of this, but yes of course Gladiator is not the invisible man, however he could move so fast that He could become invisible to the eye, and I have no problem when Thanos can create a shield to protect himself from an opponent he is engaged with, what I have a problem with is with people trying to pass that as Thanos being able to react to speedsters moving at the speed of light, and the fallacy/assumption that the Fallen one jumping at Thanos at great speeds that will make him invisible to the eye.
Originally posted by StoicSo yes I do see the difference between a lie, and the truth.
By those examples of Thanos shown Batman should be declared a speedster, just saying, if we are going to measure with that rule, a lot of characters should be considered speedsters.
I have a perfect example of most of the evidence presented for Thanos
This is Lex Luthor pulling a Thanos vs lasers (actually better)
So I guess Luthor has super speed reflexes to keep up vs Super speedsters? I mean this scan is in many ways better than most shown for Thanos, SG is like 5 feet away and Luthor reacted AFTER being kicked in the face. mmm
Originally posted by Raisen
I see the superman agenda, but honestly rao has spent some time and provided a lot of reason in his last three posts. there are only implications of Thanos' super speed, I've never really seen anything explicitly shown.
Thanks man
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ignores the possibility that the whole point of this was to prove Thanos could react to Gladiator because people were seriously arguing Gladiator would win with a speedblitz. But I see it was imperative for you to try and lowball Thanos' speed before it spreads into a Superman thread I guess.Also ignores the possibility that I wanted this thread to die because it's Thanos vs Gladiator and I tried to kill it. But sure, let's reinvigorate it. I mean, we both love Thanos no?
LOL This is funny Bran, I agree Thanos could react to Gladiator IF Gladiator is moving at REGULAR speed and Thanos see his coming, IF Gladiator were moving at his top speed, Thanos will not be able to react, unless he sees him from a distance, oh wait, but Gladiator moving at his top speed it means that Thanos will not be able to see him, So Gladiator will land his speed attack, from there since Gladiator delivers crappy blitzes is another story, but if Gladiator were moving at top speed he will not even be able to see him, now unless this has been retconed, Silver Surfer was not able to remove the IG from Thanos hand, not because Thanos saw a sparkle of light, but because Silver Surfer missed his mark. Also I do not know whay are you trying to achieve by saying that I am lowballing Thanos, stopping to spread to a Superman thread and that We both love Thanos? is that an attempt to trying to discredit my argument?
And I understand you wanted this thread to die, me too who wants to spent time writing a rebuttal? I just kind of disagree with the feats you presented, because they are not what you claim they are.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, basically you literally don't care about Gladiator's speed at all is what you're saying?So do you still think Thanos gets speedblitzed? Or is your only point here that Thanos is slow while you ignore everything about Gladiator's useless speedblitzes?
If portrayed as it does in comics, he will most likely fail to deliver the blitz
If portrayed at full speed he will most likely deliver the blitz as mediocre as he delivers them, but he will be able to deliver a bunch of blows before Thanos can react
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I genuinely enjoy how hard you are trying to lowball his speed though. lol at you could argue that he was looking over his shoulder. He ****ing would have still had to turn all the way around and catch the ****ing thing even if. Which is what the majority of your criticisms end up as. He still had to react, and it's still highly relevant to the way forum fights are. Which I will get to.
Why when we disagree to something it has to be called lowball? I think I am pointing out at fallacies of calling a feat super speed reaction when there are other things that should be considered after all is not like Thanos is a speesdter right? If you look at the panel he is kind of looking over his shoulder and I don't think you can't deny that, unless you want to say that he is smelling his shoulder which I think you wont. Ever thought that MAYBE the art is telling you that he is looking over his shoulder, I mean after all He is Thanos, Wouldn't that help him to react to a rock thrown at him? And I said IS A LEGIT FEAT, because I am considering the distance the rock is to his head and that is what I consider the LEGIT FEAT, the fact that he was able to grab that rock, I won't be able to do it even if I was looking over my shoulder, but somehow, you are trying to undermine the argument because I agree with the feat, I think is legit, not overly impressive for a real speedster but a legit feat of speed for him none the less, so why to even mention this feat again is anyone guess, unless there is a hidden attempt to discredit my post, who knows
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I never said speed lines meant that things were traveling fast.
I never said YOU DID, I just brought up an example
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Stop copy and pasting phrases you just learned about through Google.
Have you NEVER used Google to do research? does using Google makes a point invalid just because is from Google or something? No right?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I said at the most that it implies some degree of superspeed. And got into why it was that sort of speed.
Actually, unless I am getting your post wrong, you said that Gladiator does not has combat SPEED as good as Ganymede, because she flew around Surfer leaving after images and then presented another scan in which Thanos back hands her. Which I do not see how this translates into Gladiator not having combat speed feats that good, I guess is because there are no blur lines of after images on Gladiator's feats?
POST 2
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftNow, onto Ganymede.
Anyway, about the stupid shit about Gladiator being faster than Ganymede.
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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/SS_v3_081_03b.jpgGladiator doesn't have a combat speed showing that good.
Now, she tries the same tricks with Thanos:
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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/CosmicPowers-6-Tyrant24.jpgWhich doesn't count apparently because she flew right at him like she did to Surfer? Which is exactly what Gladiator does? That doesn't count.
Her blitzing robots:
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But for whatever reason she is perceived as slow? Why? Because Thanos tagged her? She rushed at Thanos the exact way she started these blitzes, but we're to assume she went slower because Thanos or something?
She is not perceived slow, just not as fast as it has been tried to be presented in this debate
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Did you say she wasn't moving fast because of a lack of after images? lol. Here's the start of your post:
Terrax tagging her once with a blast isn't proof of her being slow. Especially when she completely makes a fool of him.
Both Terrax and Morg used their durability to catch her. She still was way faster than them. And neither of them are exactly slow. Morg less so. Thanos on the other hand completely avoided being actually tagged by her while she was propelled forward. Both of them were tagged while she was moving in basic form, without her flight/staff (which was allowed her to travel to Surfer really fast and fly alongside him). Surfer was tagged while she was using flight. Slight difference.
There's also the fact that she wasn't using her staff and flight to propel herself like she was in the Surfer/Robots/and Thanos blitz attempt. [/B][/QUOTE]
I said this "Just look at how she attacked Terrax, by your logic she rushed Terrax the same way, yet Terrax was able to react and counter attack much faster than the Surfer did originally, she didn't dance around Terrax landing several blows in a second why? because this is the speed she was displayed to have in this arc, nowhere she was shown again to be that fast even if the story was written by the same writer, she never was portrayed with the same level of speed as in the Silver Surfer comics.
Marz might have changed his stance onto how fast his own creation was" Which in honesty is a poor judgment on my part as I said "she didn't land several blows in a second" Which is poor judgement as she landed 5 or 6 blows around the surfer in a sentence and I was given her more credit than she deserves. I mean don't get me wrong, that is faster than most of us, specially since she is moving around the Surfer, but nowhere faster than Gladiator
And then you say something about her moving in "basic form" to tag Morg or Terrax with out using the flight/staff, and then she using the the flight/staff to tag Surfer as an indication of a difference?
First of all Ganymade unless it has been retconed does not fly because of her staff, she flies because of her BELT, the staff is used for energy, so I see nothing on you trying to attribute this to her "basic form" other than an attempt trying to create a difference where no difference exist as when she used her energy staff to fly faster (according to you) she was indeed flying to fight surfer, when she just jumped to attack Thanos, you see the slight difference? with Surfer she used her belt with Thanos she just jumped 😂
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But anyway, Morg/Terrax/and Surfer all tagged her at some point. But out of all of them, only Thanos avoided being tagged, or his attacks avoided. Not saying Thanos is faster than them, but you denying it being a good feat is meh.
And she's still faster than Gladiator either way you look at it.
No she is not or I don't really see where is this perception she landed 5 or 6 blows around Surfer while she was flying in the length of a sentence, how does that makes her faster than Gladiator? How does landing 5 or 6 blows while using her flight belt makes her faster than a guy who can attack a speedster AND react to the same speedster counter attack in nanoseconds?
How does that makes her faster than a guy who can block a sniper bullet with in two feet of his target while he is like 10 feet away from it?
Please do explain that to me, because I don't see how is that possible, one guy attacked and reacted with in nanoseconds the other threw a flurry of 5 or 6 staff blows with in a sentence how is she faster again?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Not only was that sphere only used for blasts, but you literally state in one of these posts (and prior to) that power doesn't equal speed. 😂
Not only that, but it's heavily implied he absorbed the power later anyway.
You are correct in this, although I had the impression that the orb increased all of his physical stats, it does not matter anyhow as we have established that Ganymede most likely does not uses her flight belt while she is jumping around
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You're literally making up options though that aren't even adequate options. Nor was I ever denying your options either. This is just another excuse for you to say "False dichotomy" again. 😬lol at all this powering up nonsense though which I'll get to later, but for right now, he could see her powering up for 100 years, but he still has to actually react to the attack. Not to mention that I think pointing your finger to attack point blank is a lot quicker and less subtle than Gladiator's bodybuilder ass and giant ass red cape flying at him.
Come on.
No, not really, the point of seeing an enemy about to attack and power up it basically lets you know where the attack is directed to or when the attack is coming or where is landing, therefore allowing you to track a route where that attack might land or where you have to protect in order to block or avoid that attack, powering up it is an indication of "get ready, look at my hand and think where my attack is going, so act accordingly"
Also I think Thanos will see Gladiator, IF Gladiator is moving at his regular speeds and depending on the distance, but at a high speed, he won't be able to see him no matter how big or red he is.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ignores the fact that Thanos had to still completely turn around and punch the rocks.Also ignores the fact that he'll see Gladiator coming at him in a forum fight, which makes your criticism pointless.
If someone threw rocks at me and I could punch energy believe me that I will be able to pull the same feat, specially if I am looking at the attack, my criticism isn't as pointless as you might think
Again "I think Thanos will see Gladiator, IF Gladiator is moving at his regular speeds and depending on the distance, but at a high speed, he won't be able to see him"
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ignores the fact that he still raised his arm to defend himself when or after it was thrown.Also again, forum fights.
You say yourself later that it was traveling at a decent speed. If he's raising his arm to stop this when it's traveling already and activating a shield, then I can't see how it isn't a reaction feat relevant to this thread.
I actually said "if any I will say that Thor threw his mallet faster than BRB as Thor actually swing his mallet before tossing it" I did not exactly used those words of "traveling at a decent speed"
Again this is something that an athlete with peak reflexes should be able to pull, DEPENDING on the speed in which the mallet was thrown. Honestly nothing overly impressive or nothing that will lead me to believe that He will be able to react to a Gladiator that is moving at his top speed.
POST 3
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ignores the fact that he still blocked his attack and hit him out of midair.I don't even understand how Thanos being ready for it means anything. Does he start forum fights unready to fight or something? How is this a possible criticism to you? Like 3/4's of every reaction feat in comics happens when people are ready for it.
He literally stuck his hand up to block a Surfer blast, which travel pretty fast and then smacked him out of midair before Surfer could accomplish anything else. Unless he already had safeguards in place before the battle, I can't see how him being ready does anything to diminish the actual feat.
Severe reaching.
And you are missing that after he got attacked Silver Surfer even exchanged words with Thanos, could it be even if remotely possible that Thanos could have been ready for such attack? So he reacted to an attack that he SHOULD expect after all He started the fight.
Being ready for an attack it means a lot, ej being ready to hit a ball traveling at 95 mph, means that You could have better chances of hitting the ball. Being ready in a situation which requires dodging or blocking object increases you chances of doing it successfully, specially if you are looking at the opponent and your opponent is talking plus You don't even see what Thanos is doing until the panel shows him blocking the attack, you assume he moved into that position, how do you know he wasn't ready for an attack? after all he just attacked Surfer it is logical to think that he should already be expecting a fight.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ignores the fact again that how is this relevant to anything?How exactly do you expect people to react to a bull-rush? To turn completely around and stop them at the precise moment of impact? It doesn't matter how long he sees them for, he still has to hit them and react to the incoming speed. Not to mention comprehend what is coming at him.
Is your argument seriously that "He saw them and therefore it doesn't count!"? I am completely baffled by what you want out of these occasions. Should Thanos exclaim mid rush that "No stop for a moment. I saw you mid action and therefore it doesn't count if I hit you. Redo that. This time I'll close my eyes and blindly hit you because that shows relevant battle speed more!"?
JoH used his speed to try and hit Thanos and it didn't work. Thanos reacted perfectly. Gladiator's blitzes are straight up bull-rushes. Thanos seeing people and reacting to them is suddenly discounted because that can't possibly be relevant to this fight?
Like what I said earlier I believe.In case it needs to be said again, but he's going to see nearly anyone come at him in a forum fight. Him seeing them before hand doesn't increase his reactions.
JoH used his FLIGHT. "Speed" is a term and a (VARIABLE that We don't know ) that is being tossed into all this feats to make look Thanos like he is some guy who can actually react to guys like the Flash, and him SEEING them before hand increases his chances of of interaction. Again you hit a baseball, most likely you are not looking at the ball but looking at the pitcher, you dodge a bullet not because you move faster than the bullet, but because You see guy pulling out his gun and run for cover, Dodging the bullet does not makes you faster than the bullet.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ignores the variables of you completely making up context.He activated that in the time that Gladiator flew at him. Simple really. It doesn't matter what he did, he still did it in the time Gladiator flew at him. And considering Gladiator apparently traveling a distance through the teleporter at a speed he couldn't slow down or control, it stands to reason he was going a decent speed.
And the teleporter being up already as your argument is, Gladiator didn't even have time to do anything or slow down apparently. He was obviously going slow.
Also lol at you making up the context of why Gladiator didn't slow down. He was actually trying to punch a shield? Really, then show the panels where that is stated. If that was the intention, and considering how verbose Starlin was about all of his intentions in that comic, then surely the scan exists where that is stated?
LOL I said COULD, I did not stated this as a FACT, Judging by the art that is the impression I got from it, why would Gladiator will try to punch that object? I mean is not like the portal was right on Thanos face, so apparently He had the intention of punching the portal MAYBE thinking it was a shield, but all this is my interpretation of it, what I see on the scan. I might be wrong of course, or IT COULD be like you said, yet it depends very much on the "SPEED" Gladiator was using to call this a "super speed reaction time feat"
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What are you even talking about here?
He literally stops it in the same panel he uses his power. I don't even get how the "he was expecting it" has merit either. Do people go into fights not expecting to get hit or something? Is every time someone dodges a punch in a fight discounted because he was expecting it?Also, lol at bringing up the Thor example when you're trying to write it off in the same post. Your criticism is that Thor's toss doesn't count because he spun it, but now your criticism of Beta Ray Bill is that he didn't spin it and therefore it's slow as hell? What the ****?
Foreshadowing an attack doesn't count, but let me be damned sure to tell you that not foreshadowing an attack doesn't count either. 😂
Anyway. Again, he stops Beta's hammer as soon as he applied his power. He didn't charge up or have safeguards in place, or whatever you're trying to make up. He simply raised his arm and stopped it. His arms were down when the hammer was almost upon it, and then his hand was up to stop the hammer. Which means he moved his hand in position to stop it as well as apply an "esoteric" power in that same time that completely stopped and contained Stormbreaker in a panel.
I don't get how this is not impressive. Also, lol at outsmarts someone, not speed. I don't even get how you can twist it into that considering your lack of actual evidence.
It's either an Inception conspiracy or Thanos simply reacts to a hammer toss. Even if you assume Thanos knew that that was exactly what was going to happen, he still had to react to it. 😬
I was going to post a bunch of examples of Beta's throwing speed when unspun, but one should suffice... I ****ing hope.
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_throw12.jpgEscapes the pull of two singularities. So him simply not spinning it doesn't mean it's slow. 😬
Yes you are correct spinning it does not necessarily means that is going to be faster,
BUT ALSO:
"Heeding the counsel of an enemy in the midst of the battle usually proves a mistake"
Oh crap I just noticed Thanos had his right hand already in motion when the mallet was thrown, how silly of me to think that Thanos will be ready for such an attack and to think that Thanos tricked BRB into getting rid of the mallet.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Agreed, that's why I called it "humor" showings.She's still fast though either way. Way ****ing faster than a fly.
Yeah, I really don't have problem with this one, it is basically the equivalent relatively speaking of a human catching a fly, while the fly is hovering around you.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
😂Yes, naturally Thanos was expecting her to get blasted directly back towards his hand. Actually, his hand was probably up the whole time.
These excuses.
She was blasted back at a high speed, and he caught her when he saw she was coming back. That's it. Stop making up context.
Maker blocked her yes, but how is that more impressive going by your logic considering your constant use of the "he saw it coming!!!"?
I don't even know anymore. Either way, Thanos went on to fight Maker no issue, so...
She was blasted back at an unknown speed, but for some reason is "High speed" because the blast was caused by light or for what is "high speed" what is what you consider "high speed"? 95 mph? 150 mph? 250 mph? throwing the vague term of "high speed" it seems to me is with the intention of making a reaction feat look like a "super speed reaction feat"
and I said Maker was more impressive, because she just noticed skreet and blocked right away
POST 4
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ignores the fact that she was readying up another attack, and she was just about to attack. Thanos came really out of nowhere to snatch her out of the air.Basically Thanos grabbed her in between her attack. Which as we saw earlier, happened extremely quick. Ram, stop, ram, stop, ram, stop, etc.
She is illustrated as hovering or stationary, could it be that she attack and then she took a pause before attacking again or does it has to be "Ram, stop, ram, stop, ram, stop, etc" could it be "Ram,ram,ram, pause/stop"? I think mine goes more accordingly to the illustration
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't get it.The next blast was a new shot (as indicated by it not flexing) anyway, and he slapped that at nearly point blank. How does it ****ing matter that she fired off an attack prior to? These are fights, not complete resets in between attacks with no prior knowledge.
She fired a blast and he slapped it up close. It doesn't matter if she fired a hundred prior to, or even announced she was just about to attack. He still slapped it out of midair either way.
I simply don't understand how you can consider this a point.
I see maker preparing to attack when the floor is crumbling under her feet, the indication is her hand surrounded in blue energy while she is folding her hand back as in a mocking gun fire.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
My scan literally showed the doll being shown. And Thanos still dodged it. He was around ready to fight in the panel where the blast hits. In fact if he didn't turn the blast looks like it still would have hit him directly in the back of the head. If anything the doll gave it away. But I guess it doesn't count since there was some tell...Also, I am completely unsure of what your scan is supposed to show.
No, I disagree, The assassin missed the target because of the doll being thrown at him, since Thanos heard it / or saw the panel being blasted he turn and retaliate, I really don't see where He "dodged" the blast, even the story main point is that little doll that Gamorra threw to the assassin as implicating that Gamorra SAVED Thanos life just by throwing that doll at the assassins face, He didn't survived that assassination attempt by moving faster than the laser, he survived that assassination attempt because of Gamorra's actions
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
On another note, I find it absolutely thrilling that you have a bucket entitled "Thanos limits" when you've recently said that you love the character. Or that you have a Marvel folder basically dedicated to "limits" of Surfer, Hulk, and Thor, and then your DC folder is free of any of that.
I have a folder of Superman's weaknesses (how they might work) if that is what you are looking for. I haven't renamed those folder in a long time and mainly because if you do, you basically destroy you links, I think they were created like five years ago, and the Hulk stuff is hilarious and mostly and completely out of context that I use to troll Hulk fanboys on another site, Also the Thor stuff has a lot of stuff out of context, but I don't recall ever using that, unless I posted something on the ownage thread. Anyhow how this might be relevant to the points I am making? Unless the intention is to vilified me, I don't see how this is relevant to my points unless there is another intention I don't see how that relevant to the point. I mean it will be like me trying to discredit you on your Superman opinion just because you have a sig that says there is only one person that can destroy a world. That does not make your point any less valid if there is reason behind it. And I like the character of Thanos, Hulk, Cyclops, Captain America, Gilgamesh, Wonder Man, Colossus, Sentry, Juggernaut and Blue Marvel, if you must know. And that PB account is a mess anyway, I haven't cleaned up in a while.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So what you're saying is that Thanos was turning around and then he grabbed her... So what you're saying is that Thanos snatched her out of the air?lol at Thanos turning being a reason for doubt. If Thanos is even halfway towards looking in the general direction that is now reason enough to discount a feat? Like what the ****?
It is on the illustration am I making this up or it is implied on the illustration?, yeah He grabbed her, He was already half way there, How is does this translates in "SUPER FAST"
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Thanos seen him the panel before that page, which could have been meant to be at the same time. Either way, without getting into your "Thanos isn't allowed to see anyone", Hulk is still fast enough to blitz invisible to human opponents. Hulk was severely pissed off trying to cheapshot Thanos and Thanos caught a glimpse and hit him. That's it.Plus when he came back he was stated to be incredibly fast as well. As Carver showed.
But your likening to baseball to try and discredit things is humorous to me. Even highly trained baseball players would be hard pressed to hit 100mph fastball. If characters are traveling at or around lightspeed (not saying Hulk was before you twist it) in ways that are relevant to the infamous "speed blitz", you don't think that's relevant to battle speed? Is anytime anyone reacts to a "baseball pitch" irrelevant to battle speed when the sole purpose they reacted in the first place was due to battle?
Gladiator is the definition of your problems with Thanos' feats. "Baseball". And Gladiator is the sole reason I posted these feats. Yet you're trying to tell me the feats don't count because of "baseball"? What sort of shit is this?
No, a baseball feat is a good reaction feat, after all you said, baseball players will have a hard time hitting the ball, but they are able to hit the ball for other reasons than SEEING THE BALL coming at them, they see the trajectory and calculate accordingly to hit the ball. It is a good feat, but the variables of speed is what marks the difference. Hulk is pissed off, well he HAS to be in order to be Hulk most of the time, at what speed he is leaping is again UNKNOWN faster than a Human for sure, faster than Gladiator could move?
To answer your question:
"If characters are traveling at or around light-speed in ways that are relevant to the infamous "speed blitz", you don't think that's relevant to battle speed?"
It is relevant to battle speed as it is a way to attack at certain speed
Is anytime anyone reacts to a "baseball pitch" irrelevant to battle speed when the sole purpose they reacted in the first place was due to battle?"
It is not irrelevant, It has a merit being able to hit something moving fast, but consider that to hit something moving at certain speed involves calculating trajectories and acting accordingly. In this case Thanos can hit the Hulk, yes it involves a bunch of things that require a visual input, if a character was moving fast enough that can't be seeing the visual input is non existent and the hard task of hitting an object moving at speed becomes impossible. In this case Hulk compared to Gladiator is a slug and IF Gladiator is at top speed will be more likely to hit Thanos before He could see him
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He was traveling warp speed though... you know, hyperdrive eating up too much time and all.
Ready for battle does again, mean shit all.
But I have no issue with you assuming lightspeed during that instance, even though that seems like a low estimate. Still faster than Gladiator can accomplish right off the bat. And his acceleration would be a valid point if he wasn't traveling someplace that hyperdrive would be too slow in like 3 pages, and if everytime he was shown to take off during that comic he wasn't already gone in the same panel. Seems acceleration was simply really high if we follow the acceleration angle. There's also him being completely pissed when he attacked Thanos.Also lol at the second scan. Do you honestly see a purpose with that seriously? Just because he was floating when he was yelling at Galactus, that that discounts his speed? Should I post some examples of Gladiator simply floating and say he's super slow and not zipping around? Or should I say Superman just floating, since this is the real reason you answered no?
He's just floating, that's it. Seriously. People with superspeed and flight can just float around you know.
It is an assumption to think that every-time he moves is moving at super speed that was the reason for the scan, it is an assumption to think that the fallen one has TWO gears slow and super wtf speed of light, because characters with super speed can only fly at light speed right specially when they are basically just portrayed as jumping, yeah lets assume that only super speed is the only speed the fallen one can move, because there is no other speed in which he could move and I am sure being ready in a battle means shit that is why fighters on a cage are actually really relaxed and not even paying attention to their opponent.
POST 5
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Then go right ahead and say Cap is way faster than light. Considering you use this scan twice, it's no simple throwaway scan.
Anyway, one could make the argument that Surfer missed. But considering how badly Thanos was screwing with literally everyone else in that comic, one could just make the argument he was screwing with Cap. Backed up by as soon as he realizes that his screwing around almost cost him his gauntlet, he slaps Cap away easily. Also backed up by pretty much every other page in that comic.Anyway, here's a scan that someone thought was relevant context. It pretty much answers all avenues of this.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63715/1873291-667010_thanos_super.jpgHowever, that's not all. Thanos had a bunch of avatars split off to investigate the timelines at the specific point in time as well, while he held a weakened IG.
http://i59.tinypic.com/21e5he8.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/2eb8y85.jpgSo there was lots of factors going on in the Infinity Gauntlet. I mean, you can't possibly think Iron Man can rock Thanos can you? Oh wait, it's already in Thanos' limits section...
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/The_Infinity_Gauntlet_04-24.jpgHeh. The limits of Thanos.
Um, that was to give an example of the false dichotomies used as IGNORES other FACTORS thanks for taking my stance, also lol at mentioning again of the Thanos folder, this does not make the scan or what I have been discussing here less valid
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
THIS EXAMPLES ARE LYINGLying:
the telling of lies, or false statements; untruthfulness:Example: "Bran used the clone scan to prove nanosecond reflexes"
The premise here is that you are blatantly lying. I simply used that scan to show Thanos striking completely from behind faster than his clone could punch. And considering your earlier logic, this is like the only good type of speed feat considering there was zero tell in it.
It was used as a self contained incident. Nothing more, nothing less. It wasn't used as a nanosecond speed feat, which, lol at you drawing that conclusion, in fact literally none of my scans had that mindset in mind. First, because it's retarded. Second, because Gladiator can't blitz at the "nanosecond speed". Every single one of my scans however was used to show Thanos had a degree of superspeed, with Ganymede and Fallen One being the most relevant to Glads... besides Glads.
One clone was created by a bunch of Cosmic Cubes to be more powerful than Thanos. The other was a literal failure in the words of Thanos. And the other part is where Thanos reacted to his clone. I'm not using the clone's feats as proof, but way to use this as an excuse to lowball Thanos.
I can tell that you might get upset, yes I made a mistake of using nanoseconds when you never used the term, I am guilty of that, however it does not change the fallacy presented in comparing Thanos to his clone and saying that he is fast because he is as fast as his clone. Do you see where the error is? To put it simply, how Thanos striking completely from behind fastern than his clone could punch makes him someone with reflexes fast enough to compete with a full speed Gladiator?
And I use the "lowball" examples just to basically say, "if you are using Thanos clones as examples of him being fast, you might as well don't forget about this ones"
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Not to mention that the Thanosi tags him in the next panel. As well as Starfox traveled to another solar system at the very least in that comic, so he was obviously pretty slow.
No, but that still does not makes the Thanosi, really fast unless we assume Starfox is moving at interstellar speed in a relatively small room. Do you really think He was moving at interstellar speed?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
In fact, it was taking Thor's hammer powering a starship 78 hours to reach the destination which we know wasn't in Sol, and Thanos was somewhere around there.
So all in all, that's not even a bad feat if it was Thanos. 😬
No, but still nothing to that suggest that He can tag a speedster
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
😂That's me forgetting to write the word "Terrax". But yes, I think Thanos grabbed the axe out of Terrax's hand and handed it back to him. 😂
"You were wrong on an aspect, it doesn't count!"
Well, no. That piece of info literally changes nothing. Thanos was right beside Terrax. It doesn't matter if he was beside Terrax, or he fired it, the end result is the same. He was on JoH before JoH knew what was going on. He looked down and Thanos was there. It's quite simple really.
Though I am really unsure how you figure whoever blasted JoH is relevant to the actual point. All I wanted to portray is that Thanos was dick to face with him before JoH could do anything.
Well yeah AFTER JoH was STUNNED by Terrax blast judging by the art that's like 10 yards 15 tops, How does that proves that he is super fast to react to a speedster? Being in someone's face in a 15 yard dash after the person was stunned is somehow a feat? top Athletes can perform a 10 yard dash in 1.5 seconds, again nothing out of the extraordinary that Thanos can perform, after all he is known to have enhanced speed, and NO, Thanos DID NOT grab Terrax axe, it was Terrax the one who blasted JoH and then, so that was the wrong assumption or you recalled that the wrong way.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Astral form is meaningless. He was a spirit. He doesn't get faster as a spirit. However, he can still damage beings as a spirit.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_034_09a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_034_09b.jpgWhich was also thought to be a dream, but it evidentially happened since that's how Thanos was revived.
That is really reaching, a body-less dreams (which might have happened or not) does not translate into the physical capabilities of his real body. Dream feats are basically useless.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And this might be a point if Thanos didn't do the exact same thing earlier this month anyway. In fact, it even seems that Thanos is weaker when he's in this form as he states he was not sure he could manage the blast he fires, and he leaves Groot and Rocket thinking Drax is seeing shit:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-008.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-011.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-013.jpgSo yeah, spiritual. Irrelevant. He doesn't suddenly get super hand speed.
Dream sequence when he thinks there's no evidence it didn't happen. Also irrelevant.
Wait how is a body-less feat equal to one in which he has body with him? and certainly the blasting feat is no where equal to the one performed in astral form at "high speed"
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Here's some interesting on panel "super speed" statements that people keep saying they want.
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Respect4_zps22f02061.jpghttp://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Spacetravel_zpsb0f87f34.jpg
Not that I really care since it's unneeded, but anyway. Yeah, Spider-Man fast. Good objectivity.
The first one nice service lip, however super human speed does not mean he is even as fast as Quicksilver, and I bet you spiderman's reflexes are better
Um second one he is tele-porting from his ship
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Anyway, you're using a page from a comic where Thanos got hit by literally everyone. There's no difference here behind this or Nova hitting him. Hell, he was literally laughing while Firelord was choking him and Drax was blasting him. He BFR'ed his hammer to screw with him.lol at this being a lack of speed though. He just bfr's his hammer in the same page. If he wanted to there's no reason to assume he wouldn't have stopped Thor. Unless he moves faster than his hammer throw. Which, considering your Thor limits album, I really doubt you want to try and argue that.
It shows a successful attack after a hammer throw, considering Thor is like 15 yards away, I don't think is an indication of Thor's "super speed", but believe me, it is better than the Thanos/Terrrax one you presented in here.
POST 6
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You realize he's hitting Morg in that bullrush, don't you? That's simply an example of him not throwing enough power out and then getting tackled due to it. There's not much more to say about this except that he's literally hitting Morg there.However, the next page has him reaching over, grabbing an axe and blocking Morg's attack in the time it takes for Morg to swing his axe.
You even uploaded it in your limits album. Presumably because Thanos was terrified of the axe. Though... actually, yeah, bring that up next Thanos thread. It will be interesting to see the results.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Marvel%20Comics/Thanos%20limits/Morg-30.jpg
And that is "super fast" because? I can see basically anyone pulling that one out
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Thanos was at a lower power level there and in the entirety of Infinity War. I don't want to say half, but...
Also relevant to his spirit in Death's realm at that time, but anyway...There's not much to say about this other than it being a sparring session. It's not a good feat to be sure, but it is what it is. He can't have completely perfect showings.
However, considering he KO'ed Mantis, and Moondragon off panel who were more than comparable to that Gamora in speed in a mindless state in Imperative (and Major Victory who is somewhat quick), it seems like that's not exactly the staple of Thanos' speed (as much as it's brought up). Or that Thanos's power increases indeed help with speed. Either or.
I will actually like to see why is Mantis or Moondragon compared to Gladiator's reaction speed feats or reflexes , so we can think that blocking Mantis or Moondragon is = to blocking Gladiator
I will have better chances to say that someone has super-speed if I compare them to Jay Garrick than to compare them to Moondragon :/
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Already discussed this.
Yep, still Captain America does has some degree of above top athlete reflexes. I think eventually Thanos should tag him, by basically reading patterns and behaviour
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
lol at "allegedly". You looked through his comics looking for low feats. You know throwing that word in there is meaningless.You realize you're at a severe lack of "low feats" in the past decade and a half? In fact if anything his feats get better, so it definitely seems like he gets faster...
Anyway. Thanos proceeds to knock Mar-Vell out in the next page. The next panel he grabs him. But anyway, he misses one attack after being cheap-shooted out of nowhere. 😬
I think it will be a good idea for the Thanos side to back up his speed increase with irrefutable scans, anyway, narration says that Marvel batters that Titan AGAIN AND AGAIN wearing him down, This reminds me of that analogy I used at some point of an apache helicopter fighting a tank.
That is the substance of the scan, a herald dancing around Thanos punching him and wearing him down, now I believe there are faster (reflexes wise) and stronger beings than Marvel who will do far better than him.
I don't see what is the point of you mentioning "lack of low feats" on the argument, but 😬
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Did you just point out that Thanos said they were fast and then say they didn't take advantage of their speed? Decide on your argument please. Also considering you're using this to try and say Thanos is slow, it seems this is likely a speed showing.So anyway, it outright talks of their speed in the scan.
Anyway, one of them blitzed JoH and Iron Man at the same time.
Plus this:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/SS_v3_017_09a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/SS_v3_017_09b.jpgNo shit Thanos without shields got tackled by two of them. The better thing however, is that Thanos was one shooting them with his hip blasts. Which he could simply fire if he was being blitzed.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/Thanos04pg19.jpghttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_109_08b.jpg
Thanos one shotted what, 8 of them? I know it's not about speed here what I'm saying, but that is an absolutely terrible place to look for low feats.
I guess the point just passed over your head, let say a properly written speedster got attacked by one of those robots, do you think he is even going to get touched? Also lol at comparing a complete different attack. I will love to see those robots using those speed punches on Thanos face and see how fast he dodges the punches, which someone who moves fast will be able to accomplish
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You realize he was literally trying to kill himself (or sell it at least) at that point in time? Hell, he even took that fast hammer throw and teleported out to fake his own death. Like I mean, there's such thing as allowing yourself to get hit. Though I'm sure we'll see from Infinity Thanos letting Thor hit him to try and prove Thanos is slow. Wouldn't doubt it anyway.Plus by your prior logic, he should have just activated a shield while he was spinning his hammer... at least I think that's what you're trying to make up in your previous arguments.
Also lol at trying to say the other hammer throws were slow.
Also, another thing to note, but that distance of the hammer throw that you called fast... but wait a minute, let's take a look at something.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos11pg10.jpgThat seems pretty far in the same panel Fallen One took off. Imagine if it got to two panels like Thor's hammer did?
But acceleration is a must discuss topic in the case of Fallen One?
I don't understand if you are trying to imply that there is only one speed for hammer throws and flight from the fallen one, because if that is really is the case, you are far off my friend, we all know that no one single attack is equal to another, one punch is not thrown with same force as another and flash does not always runs at high speed, Thor does not always trows his hammer with the intention of putting distance between him and a nuke. So if that is the case let me make a note that on KMC there is only one gear for speed and nothing more. and I didn't say the other hammer throws were slow, they were just not as fast as this one. And why Thor hitting Thanos will imply that Thanos is slow? He is fast, just not Gladiator/Quicksilver/Flash/Jay Garrick fast.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
A legit speedster with the Space Gem. Who is crazily faster than anyone even mentioned in this thread.I don't get the point of this scan. I mean, I know it looks bad, but it's like, what relevance does this have to Gladiator, or even Superman for that matter?
Imagine if that was Gladiator against Runner. 😂
Funny enough this being is faster than light, and he couldn't do much against an ftl being moving at ftl speeds, what other beings have attacked Thanos at FTL? Who could attack Thanos at FTL?
Certainly not Moondragon or a standing fallen one jumping to attack mmm
If this was my only example of Thanos not doing well against great speed, you'd have a point, but he has poor showings even against non-speedsters and the ones presented are lacking
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Anyway, here's a showing I accidentally found while looking for the spirit scan. Here he activates his shield when Surfer's blast is almost of him. Naturally Surfer slowed his blast down. And then toys with him some more.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_038_11a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/SS_v3_038_11b.jpg
Seriously? are you trying to pass that as Super speed reflexes? I mean, I don't think you need me to post a real Super speed reflexes feat right? You have seen plenty of those to try to call this a super speed reflex feat, I mean probably to you super speed only exist in one gear and that is why you might think that if character A has super speed and character B has super speed then it means both have the same speed, right? Nice package deal.
POST 7
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
However, this is what I wanted to get to because it's pretty funny.Compare and contrast Thanos's fight against Champ with the PG to Gladiator's fight with Champ with the PG if you will. No explanation needed.
Thanos:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb1_zpsed66dbcf.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb2_zpsa4bb14b3.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb3_zpsfc549776.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb4_zps656a1925.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb5_zps2d784de5.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb6_zps6f86c625.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb7_zps4ea19e57.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb8_zps7e34d9c1.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb9_zpsc88d897c.png
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Championb10_zps0cb089a5.pngGladiator:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SheHulk70076.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SheHulk70084.jpg
Funny thing is that while you accuse me of lowballing Thanos, you have been doing just that with Gladiator.
Now there is no indication in this example or in the Glads vs Thanos example that Gladiator is moving at GREAT SPEEDS, He is just moving and We MUST ASSUME He is moving at his top speed?
You are trying to say that because Thanos is reacting and doing decently AT NORMAL SPEEDS vs characters fighting at normal speeds, that this is an indication that He will be able to react and a see characters moving at bullet time speed?
Also, now let me tell you, You are trying to compare Gladiator's BOXING MATCH with rules vs PG Champion to a fight in which Thanos didn't have to follow the same rules and restrictions vs PG Champion? Now I have seen it all
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I think Thanos should be able to easily stop Gladiator from hitting him if he chooses that route. 🙂However, it's likely a close range fight for a couple shots until Gladiator gets KO'ed if we're going by how this is likely to go.
I think he could win eventually, just because Gladiator has an awful record, but if Gladiator is using top speed (his nanosecond reaction time feats) , then he gets a lot of free shots on Thanos
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂He seriously has an album titled that?
LMAO. I don't want to be prejudice against Superman, but I have never met a more insecure and petty group of fans. You can't just stick to wanking like a regular fanboy, no, you gotta try your best to shit on everyone else too.
Also, I actually read this entire conversation (The TTC is taking forever) and, well, I wish we had a hall of fame section on KMC.
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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I haven't skimmed through the Thor limits section but it's bigger than the Thanos one.
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/library/Marvel%20Comics/Thors%20limits?sort=3&page=1The Hulk limits one is massive though. That'd take a while to even skim through. He might as well retitle it the "Go suck a dick Carver" bucket
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/library/Marvel%20Comics/Hulks%20limits?sort=3&page=1But yeah, I don't get what he wants in regards to reaction feats. Is it close your eyes and swing? I'm not sure.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂Woooow.
10 pages? 19 pages? Wtf? And from a quick look, some are just snippets from fights that might seem unfavorable. I.e. out of context lowballing fodder.
This just makes me sad. 🙁
Also, how is this thread at 30 pages? You guys realize that Gladiator not being one-shot would actually be a victory.
I mean, all kidding aside, you guys aren't idiots, Thanos would easily end Gladiator even if he tried speed blitzing him. That's just how it's going to go. Like, the best you can hope for is Thanos not making him look completely pathetic if they fought. srug
And they're probably going to meet up sometime soon in the future.
Most of those post are quite funny as another attempt to trying to dismiss the evidence just because of how I named the folder, it is quite sad that the debate it has to be reduced to this.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you even know what you're arguing against right now? You're saying these examples ignore the fact that he's looking at them and waiting for the attack.. UMMMMMMM ... he'll be LOOKING AT GLADS AND WAITING FOR HIS ATTACK IN THIS VERY VS FORUM FIGHT. So those example are VERY relevant and aren't cast aside for the reasons you're implying. IF he was able to react a hammer toss and raise his hand fast enough AFTER it was tossed... How is that different than him LOOKING at Glads and waiting for or expecting him to attack and him counter?
Yes I know what I am arguing now, do you?
If the examples presented by the Thanos side are accepted as prof of super speed reflexes
Batman and Lex Luthor should be consider able to react to super speedsters
