Originally posted by Rao Kal ElIf the examples presented by the Thanos side are accepted as prof of super speed reflexes
Batman and Lex Luthor should be consider able to react to super speedsters
There's a big difference between 1 Off PIS/CIS scenes and legitimate, consistently portrayed power levels and showings.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There's a big difference between 1 Off PIS/CIS scenes and legitimate, consistently portrayed power levels and showings.
Does that mean that Deathstroke (who has tagged Wally West, multiple times) has lightspeed reactions?
So not just 1 off showings, but several. And Deathstroke/Flash aren't exactly up there with the Supermen/Batmen of DC; they have showings, sure, but nowhere near the level of the big boys of DC.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85but that's not the point of people using the reflexes showings of Thanos. The point of them is that Thanos will react to a blitz by Gladiator before he can do any/enough damage to Thanos himself.
Does that mean that Deathstroke (who has tagged Wally West, multiple times) has lightspeed reactions?So not just 1 off showings, but several. And Deathstroke/Flash aren't exactly up there with the Supermen/Batmen of DC; they have showings, sure, but nowhere near the level of the big boys of DC.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does that mean that Deathstroke (who has tagged Wally West, multiple times) has lightspeed reactions?So not just 1 off showings, but several. And Deathstroke/Flash aren't exactly up there with the Supermen/Batmen of DC; they have showings, sure, but nowhere near the level of the big boys of DC.
If Death stoke has confirmed herald level superhuman abilities, and he has consistently "reacted" to speed from the likes of Flash, Superman and Wonder Woman, and is generally considered to have a power set capable of tackling them... Then yes.
Like I said, you need to differentiate between PIS/CIS and actual consistently portrayed Power sets.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If Death stoke has confirmed herald level superhuman abilities, and he has consistently "reacted" to speed from the likes of Flash, Superman and Wonder Woman, and is generally considered to have a power set capable of tackling them... Then yes.
But I think that's what Rao is arguing.
Thanos has superspeed, yes. Is this on the same level as Surfer, who has speed feats which rivals Flash? How would we know?
Cue Thanos supporters, who point to the fights where Thanos reacts to Surfer, amongst others. But, nowhere is it confirmed that he has speed feats on this level. Characters job all the time. We all know this.
Having a powerset is all and good; it is the LEVEL which is the issue here.
That, I think, is what Rao is getting at.
So in my analogy, yes, Deathstroke has SOME superspeed. Is it Flash level, who has been shown to outrun Death itself? Phuck no. That's stupid of me to assert.
But if I were to use the showings of him tagging speedsters (and it is not just a one-off incident; he has consistently tagged them), then....would you argue just as consistently for Deathstroke having speedster reflexes? And not just any speedster, but of the Flashes levels?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But I think that's what Rao is arguing.Thanos has superspeed, yes. Is this on the same level as Surfer, who has speed feats which rivals Flash? How would we know?
Cue Thanos supporters, who point to the fights where Thanos reacts to Surfer, amongst others. But, nowhere is it confirmed that he has speed feats on this level. Characters job all the time. We all know this.
Having a powerset is all and good; it is the LEVEL which is the issue here.
That, I think, is what Rao is getting at.
So in my analogy, yes, Deathstroke has SOME superspeed. Is it Flash level, who has been shown to outrun Death itself? Phuck no. That's stupid of me to assert.
But if I were to use the showings of him tagging speedsters (and it is not just a one-off incident; he has consistently tagged them), then....would you argue just as consistently for Deathstroke having speedster reflexes? And not just any speedster, but of the Flashes levels?
Characters job all the time but when there is a Galactic level threat like Thanos, it'd be silly to think all it takes to put him down is a high level speedster. Because if that's all it took then he wouldn't be the big imposing threat he is to all the Herald Level Speedsters.
Whilst Deathstroke hits Flash, but has never been seen or even implied to have a power set which is a big threat to high level speedsters.
There's a clear hierarchy in comics which should make the difference between Deathstroke "tagging" speedsters (anyone can get tagged btw) and Galactic Level threats having no Issue consistently "Reacting" to speedsters.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But I think that's what Rao is arguing.Thanos has superspeed, yes. Is this on the same level as Surfer, who has speed feats which rivals Flash? How would we know?
Cue Thanos supporters, who point to the fights where Thanos reacts to Surfer, amongst others. But, nowhere is it confirmed that he has speed feats on this level. Characters job all the time. We all know this.
Having a powerset is all and good; it is the LEVEL which is the issue here.
That, I think, is what Rao is getting at.
So in my analogy, yes, Deathstroke has SOME superspeed. Is it Flash level, who has been shown to outrun Death itself? Phuck no. That's stupid of me to assert.
But if I were to use the showings of him tagging speedsters (and it is not just a one-off incident; he has consistently tagged them), then....would you argue just as consistently for Deathstroke having speedster reflexes? And not just any speedster, but of the Flashes levels?
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Also if I dig around, I think I can get a lot of feats like the ones presented for Thanos, supporting that batman can do the same on a constant basis.
But most examples will be false dichotomies like the ones presented
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
👆Also if I dig around, I think I can get a lot of feats like the ones presented for Thanos, supporting that batman can do the same on a constant basis.
But most examples will be false dichotomies like the ones presented
Character with most or second most appearances in comics.
You'll find anything.
Originally posted by krisblaze
It's batman.Character with most or second most appearances in comics.
You'll find anything.
And they are still false dichotomies.
I mean yes Thanos has enhanced speed, but to honestly believe he can react to someone moving FTL is silly, I will even have a hard time believing he can tag Spiderman with a punch let alone someone who has nanosecond reaction time feats
Originally posted by Rao Kal El👆
And they are still false dichotomies.I mean yes Thanos has enhanced speed, but to honestly believe he can react to someone moving FTL is silly, I will even have a hard time believing he can tag Spiderman with a punch let alone someone who has nanosecond reaction time feats
Also people are assuming that the fast character, who possesses nanosecond reflexes, will behave like a dumb bullet. A bullet doesn't alter its course based off changing conditions. So even if Thanos can react to a dumb bullet attack doesn't mean that he can react to a smart bullet attack, where the attacker alters his course based off seeing Thanos (in slow motion) start to react to their initial movement. So some people are suggesting that Gladiator will basically move with superspeed with his eyes closed and totally ignore the fact that Thanos is activating an attack, in slow motion, to stop them from intercepting him.
So Thanos being able to react to a very fast attack is not the same as being able to deal with a smart adaptive attack based off the speedsters reflexes seeing changing conditions.
