Originally posted by h1a8wtf are you babbling about
You are contradicting yourself. You claim that SA Mangog is well above high herald in terms of attack power based off Odin's feat of Mangog. But, when we see the actual showings, Mangog never displayed power output BEYOND a high herald (didn't ko Thor in several hits, no strength feats, hit's Mjolnir back at Thor EQUAL to the strength of Thor's right hand, etc.).
Originally posted by Insane TitanTanking and being affected is different than tanking and not being affected.
which he's done how many times?And Thanos has tanked planetry lvl destruction several times.
If we use your style of debating , ie at their best Thanos durability laughs that off.
Getting hit with an attack that destroys a planet directly is greater than getting hit with the planet being destroyed. Getting hit with the planet that's being destroy, one is actually getting hit with an microscopically small amount of the total force on the planet. If many Thanos where on the planet then all would receive the same amount of force (which is divided from the total force).
So Thanos never was shown to endure an attack that can destroy a planet into pieces.
Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic doesn't work. We have characters of different power sets and we have characters not fighting at full capacity in comics.
With that said, Gladiator is most likely stronger and vastly faster than Thanos (when written using his actual powers). Thanos would have a hard time period.You forget about the most important aspect of them all, SPEED! Glads is vastly faster and would cause Thanos some serious problems.
Originally posted by h1a8
Tanking and being affected is different than tanking and not being affected.Getting hit with an attack that destroys a planet directly is greater than getting hit with the planet being destroyed. Getting hit with the planet that's being destroy, one is actually getting hit with an microscopically small amount of the total force on the planet. If many Thanos where on the planet then all would receive the same amount of force (which is divided from the total force).
So Thanos never was shown to endure an attack that can destroy a planet into pieces.
I thought that Mangog did KO Thor when they fought over Tarene though?
Originally posted by h1a8never mentioned anything about Odins fear so it's irrelevant and I couldn't care less about it.
Mangog>>>>>>>>>>>>>>high herald because of Odin's fear, not because of showings of power output beyond a high herald.Yet Thanos >>>Glads, not because of fear, but because of showings right?
Yeah based actual combat showings even if you include space cheese feats.
Originally posted by The SorrowGood thing this isn't a comic. Unlike in comics, super reflexes are always on just like super strength and durability.
Speed generally just isn't as important in comics as it should be, he would probably land a blitz or two on Thanos but no characters in Marvel constantly fight at superspeed besides the true speedsters like Quicksilver, Speed Demon etc.
Originally posted by Insane TitanOk then. Well going by showings then Mangog doesn't have greater than high herald level power output. So his status is unwarranted. This will be noted for future threads.
never mentioned anything about Odins fear so it's irrelevant and I couldn't care less about it.Yeah based actual combat showings even if you include space cheese feats.
And going by showings Thanos has the durability to withstand Gladiator's blows for awhile (but those blows will affect Thanos negatively). If Glads slips up (by boasting victory when he thinks Thanos is down) then Thanos can get him with several options.
Thanos has the strength to greatly rock Gladiator with his punches. So if Thanos lands one, then it would be in his best interest to keep piling on before Gladiator can recover.
So Thanos can win because of Glads character.
Originally posted by h1a8
Good thing this isn't a comic. Unlike in comics, super reflexes are always on just like super strength and durability.
I wouldn't call fighting someone from 5ft away and then punching them only once in the face with superspeed (arm speed) blitzing.
Originally posted by The Sorrowh1 gets told this everyday he chooses to ignore it even though its a RULE. These characters fight in CHARACTER not difficult to understand.
No but these are COMICBOOK characters. Can't just have these characters act ooc or have them use their powers in ways that they never have in the books. Otherwise what's the point we may aswell just debate powersets which is pretty much what you're doing. Superspeed isn't always "on" and obviously operating at those type of incredible speeds constantly is going to tire a character out far quicker which is why in comics they use it in bursts.
Originally posted by h1a8glad you agree Thanos would carry on punching Gladiatior to death like he did Surfer
Ok then. Well going by showings then Mangog doesn't have greater than high herald level power output. So his status is unwarranted. This will be noted for future threads.And going by showings Thanos has the durability to withstand Gladiator's blows for awhile (but those blows will affect Thanos negatively). If Glads slips up (by boasting victory when he thinks Thanos is down) then Thanos can get him with several options.
Thanos has the strength to greatly rock Gladiator with his punches. So if Thanos lands one, then it would be in his best interest to keep piling on before Gladiator can recover.
So Thanos can win because of Glads character.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Speed generally just isn't as important in comics as it should be, he would probably land a blitz or two on Thanos but no characters in Marvel constantly fight at superspeed besides the true speedsters like Quicksilver, Speed Demon etc.
Actually Gladiator(an alternate universe one) had his entire fight with Thor at super speed in that FANTASTIC FOUR issue. Glads had to use speed to compensate for the time dilation.
Originally posted by BadabingThanos never got punched out by groot, all he did was sneak attack him then groot got swatted away. Plus a weak Thanos kod groot with ease.
Is this the Thanos that got punched out by Groot, or the Thanos that fled from Gladiator? 😕thanduros
Like when Glads wanted no part of Thanos when they was locked in the Klyn together?
Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually Gladiator(an alternate universe one) had his entire fight with Thor at super speed in that FANTASTIC FOUR issue. Glads had to use speed to compensate for the time dilation.
Also iirc in that particular story you referenced it did eventually take its toll on Gladiator moving at those speeds constantly.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
That's not really what I meant though. Of course it's possible to have a fight at superspeed, this is a pretty common occurrence. However the level of speed that H1 is suggesting, to point where Gladiator will basically become a blur and hit Thanos 1000's of times before he can react and crap like that is just nonsensical and has never happened on panel.Also iirc in that particular story you referenced it did eventually take its toll on Gladiator moving at those speeds constantly.
Gladiator was already tired from I guess his long travels before he even came and saw what Thor and Iron Man and the FF were doing. And he fought the entire fight at speeds great enough to compensate for a time dilation.
THAT Gladiator fought 100% of his fights(that I'm aware of) at super speed. sneer
Originally posted by StoicI don't recall Tarene. I do remember Thor being koed by the ground after he fell off the back of Mangog. In the comic, Asgardians left and right were acting with human level attributes and getting killed from merely falling 30ft from the sky off a bridge. Odin looked human level (with no powers at all).
I thought that Mangog did KO Thor when they fought over Tarene though?
Originally posted by The SorrowSee that's where you are wrong. No one is making the characters ACT in ways they never have in the books. Everything comes from the comic. Glad has fought at light speeds and displayed ftl reflexes. Everything is based off what the characters have done in a comic.
No but these are COMICBOOK characters. Can't just have these characters act ooc or have them use their powers in ways that they never have in the books. Otherwise what's the point we may aswell just debate powersets which is pretty much what you're doing. Superspeed isn't always "on" and obviously operating at those type of incredible speeds constantly is going to tire a character out far quicker which is why in comics they use it in bursts.
You have to differentiate between plot induced stupidity and actual character ability.
In comics, characters often job or suddenly lose their "always on" power. A character can choose how they fight and what tactics they will employ. However, they can't choose to have "always on" powers cut off (strength, durability, perception speed, etc.). All characters with average intelligence or above will fight as such AS SHOWN BEFORE in a comic. No genius level character will fight like a retard (for the sake of the plot) in a forum fight.
Them being comic characters is irrelevant.
Comic fights are not forum fights because forum fights have rules, comics don't have rules.