Gladiator vs. Thanos

Started by Delta193833 pages

Originally posted by h1a8
See that's where you are wrong. No one is making the characters ACT in ways they never have in the books. Everything comes from the comic. Glad has fought at light speeds and displayed ftl reflexes. Everything is based off what the characters have done in a comic.

You have to differentiate between plot induced stupidity and actual character ability.
In comics, characters often job or suddenly lose their "always on" power. A character can choose how they fight and what tactics they will employ. However, they can't choose to have "always on" powers cut off (strength, durability, perception speed, etc.). All characters with average intelligence or above will fight as such AS SHOWN BEFORE in a comic. No genius level character will fight like a retard (for the sake of the plot) in a forum fight.

Them being comic characters is irrelevant.
Comic fights are not forum fights because forum fights have rules, comics don't have rules.

He's talking about CHARACTER-Induced Stupidity, not Plot-Induced Stupidity.

Glads at his best should give Thanos, also at his best, a fight but Thanos Energy Projection, durability and Tech should be enough to best him.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
That's not really what I meant though. Of course it's possible to have a fight at superspeed, this is a pretty common occurrence. However the level of speed that H1 is suggesting, to point where Gladiator will basically become a blur and hit Thanos 1000's of times before he can react and crap like that is just nonsensical and has never happened on panel.

Also iirc in that particular story you referenced it did eventually take its toll on Gladiator moving at those speeds constantly.

This.

Originally posted by Delta1938
He's talking about CHARACTER-Induced Stupidity, not Plot-Induced Stupidity.
I believe that he is.
I just don't call it "character" when an "always on" type of power is not used. Characters can't cut those type of powers off at will or by choice. Characters can hold back their full power but they are still super strong. Characters can allow someone to hit them but still, they will still see it coming a mile away.

Fighting stupidly BELOW what a character has shown and BELOW their intelligence would allow is CHARACTER-INDUCED STUPIDITY which is a form of PLOT-INDUCED STUPIDITY.

Originally posted by carver9
This.

Shut-up.

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe that he is.
I just don't call it "character" when an "always on" type of power is not used. Characters can't cut those type of powers off at will or by choice. Characters can hold back their full power but they are still super strong. Characters can allow someone to hit them but still, they will still see it coming a mile away.

Fighting stupidly BELOW what a character has shown and BELOW their intelligence would allow is CHARACTER-INDUCED STUPIDITY which is a form of PLOT-INDUCED STUPIDITY.

Prove Gladiator's speed is always on.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
That's not really what I meant though. Of course it's possible to have a fight at superspeed, this is a pretty common occurrence. However the level of speed that H1 is suggesting, to point where Gladiator will basically become a blur and hit Thanos 1000's of times before he can react and crap like that is just nonsensical and has never happened on panel.

Also iirc in that particular story you referenced it did eventually take its toll on Gladiator moving at those speeds constantly.

I'm not suggesting Glads hit Thanos 1000's of times in one moment. I see him hitting Thanos 1 at a time (or 2 at a time). 1 hit and wait, then maybe 2 hits and wait, etc.
His reflexes are always on though.

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe that he is.
I just don't call it "character" when an "always on" type of power is not used. Characters can't cut those type of powers off at will or by choice. Characters can hold back their full power but they are still super strong. Characters can allow someone to hit them but still, they will still see it coming a mile away.

Fighting stupidly BELOW what a character has shown and BELOW their intelligence would allow is CHARACTER-INDUCED STUPIDITY which is a form of PLOT-INDUCED STUPIDITY.

I agree with H1 since he said Surfer can beat Superman 10/10 based on this.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Shut-up.

Prove Gladiator's speed is always on.

Notice: I didn't mention speed. Using speed is a choice. Perception speed is not.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with H1 since he said Surfer can beat Superman 10/10 based on this.

So you run away from my BZ challenge and then are reduced to cheerleading H1? Did you ever have testosterone?

Originally posted by h1a8
Notice: I didn't mention speed. Using speed is a choice. Perception speed is not.

I again say, prove it.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I again say, prove it.

Prove Glads speed is always on when I made no claims to it always being on? Speed is not always on in a comic. Writer's turn it off at times. I say this because sure as hell Glads isn't purposely deciding not to use his speed when he could. He just doesn't have any superspeed at certain times.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove Glads speed is always on when I made no claims to it always being on? Speed is not always on in a comic. Writer's turn it off at times. I say this because sure as hell Glads isn't purposely deciding not to use his speed when he could. He just doesn't have any superspeed at certain times.

So you're dancing around the fact you can't prove Gladiator's perceptions are always super speed. Concessions accepted.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So you're dancing around the fact you can't prove Gladiator's perceptions are always super speed. Concessions accepted.

super speed =/= super fast perception

The first requires covering distances in a small amount of time and the other talks about the speed in which you perceive things.

You ask me to prove speed, not perception.

Originally posted by h1a8
super speed =/= super fast perception

The first requires covering distances in a small amount of time and the other talks about the speed in which you perceive things.

You ask me to prove speed, not perception.

It's pretty much the same thing since a number of times we've seen characters with super speed, even Flash Family members from time to time, have to intentionally up their perceptions past normal speed. 'Cuz, ya know, they'd really be out of synch with everybody and everything without super speed if they were always seeing things at picosecond level, right? I thought people were just being dicks or flaming instead of debating by saying you don't read comics, but now I'm thinking it's true.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It's pretty much the same thing since a number of times we've seen characters with super speed, even Flash Family members from time to time, have to intentionally up their perceptions past normal speed. 'Cuz, ya know, they'd really be out of synch with everybody and everything without super speed if they were always seeing things at picosecond level, right? I thought people were just being dicks or flaming instead of debating by saying you don't read comics, but now I'm thinking it's true.

You should know better than that. I have read hundreds of comics and know most basic facts about the most popular characters. No one has read every comic. There are millions of comics. Reading 1000 of them and not being familiar with the ones you didn't read doesn't mean you don't read comics. I have over a thousand comics on my hard drive. I have posted scans many many times (I been a member since 2005). I have seen every comic movie and show in existence. I am a comic fan.

Perception and movement speed is not the same thing though. You were at error with your wording (asking me to prove "speed is always on" instead of "perceptions is always on"😉. You didn't confess to this error when I pointed it out and thus have been proven to be tilted on pride (and thus showing bias). You have to be humble and admit to your errors when pointed out. Otherwise, you are operating on pride and it would be hard to see things objectively.

With that said, speed of movement has nothing to do with perceptions. I can fly at light speeds in space with only human level perceptions. If the distance is big enough (in space they are) then I can avoid basic stuff like the Sun, planets, and large asteroids.

I like to see proof that Flash can increase his perception speed and lower it at will.

When someone has super powers then it is possible that their brains work differently than a human. Meaning, he can stay in sync while still perceiving things in slow motion.

Let's assume that one can increase their perception speed at will. Increasing one's perception speed is not the same thing as cutting it on. By default, there is a initial amount. Flash has not paid attention and was shot by a bullet and didn't get killed because his perceptions were always on to avoid the bullet from penetrating. The moment the bullet touched his skin he avoided it. Superman has casually talked to people and suddenly heard a gun shot from miles away and suddenly got there and stopped the bullet before it his it's victim.

There are many examples where characters are not doing anything or paying attention and something happens and they are able to respond very fast.

Originally posted by Delta1938
'Cuz, ya know, they'd really be out of synch with everybody and everything without super speed if they were always seeing things at picosecond level, right?
Originally posted by Delta1938
'Cuz, ya know, they'd really be out of synch with everybody and everything without super speed if they were always seeing things at picosecond level, right?

This is false. Remember these are not humans and there brains don't work as such. It's possible (or within the suspension of disbelief) that a non human character can see things at the picosecond level yet can be perfectly in sync with everybody and everything without being able to move their bodies at super speed. It's all about how the sensory organs are structured.

In other words, it is possible for a character to have sensory organs to perceive bullets in slow motion (like in the 2nd Sherlock Holmes movie) and be frozen in time and not being able to avoid getting hit. This is because their body doesn't have the power to move that fast.

I can see a bullet come at me in slow motion and yet be able to talk to humans and walk around IF MY BRAIN is structured that way.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is false. Remember these are not humans and there brains don't work as such. It's possible (or within the suspension of disbelief) that a non human character can see things at the picosecond level yet can be perfectly in sync with everybody and everything without being able to move their bodies at super speed. It's all about how the sensory organs are structured.

In other words, it is possible for a character to have sensory organs to perceive bullets in slow motion (like in the 2nd Sherlock Holmes movie) and be frozen in time and not being able to avoid getting hit. This is because their body doesn't have the power to move that fast.

I can see a bullet come at me in slow motion and yet be able to talk to humans and walk around IF MY BRAIN is structured that way.

You still have to prove that Gladiator's perceptions are always what you're arguing, no matter what you say that isn't related to something related to showing his perceptions are always at super speed.

By the way, people can see things in "bullet time." Cops and and soldiers and marines and Special Ops and whatnot have reported experiencing this in firefights. One FBI agent talked about how he saw shot glasses falling, and he couldn't figure-out why they said "Federal" on them, until he realized he was reading "Federal" on his partner's spent casings suspended in mid-air(to him).

Also, by the way, "their brains."

Originally posted by Mislec
Too much philosophy. Due to the power of Gladiator, he can easily be written to beat Thnoas. With the speed and strenght Thanos wouldn't even be able to see him coming and his punches. It was never stated Thanos is super fast (at least nowhere near Gladiator).
Writers just don't use it, because if Thanos needs to win, the only way is, if Gladiator isn't written properly. In forum, Gladiator wins.

Anyway, Thanos was afraid to fight him... twice.

This makes a lot of sense. In reality, Glads would prove too fast for Thanos. The only way I realistically seeing Thanos win over Glads is if Glads doesn't operate with any speed or reflexes or is caught off guard bragging or something.

Thanos wins