Football (Soccer)

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]So you admit that Samuel was all over Crouch and as a result, Crouch couldn't jump. Yet you're also claiming that these defenders will be laughing nervously at Crouch?

Not quite thought this one through yet have you?

ok lets quit the bullshit, me and you know that they wont be laughing at all.

They don't somehow avoid having to use their defense. Their defense can deal with the situation if it comes to it, and they can most certainly deal with Peter Crouch. Anyone on this site with a bit of weight could deal with Crouch. You being attached to the man's sphincter doesn't alter this.

yes they can deal with situations. i never said they was rendered useless. im saying you cant attach the word 'world class' when it comes to brazillian defenders.

Crouch is more capable than anyone?

"Stop making ridiculous statements" - You.

have you saw him play at all? the man can play football and play it well. like it or not.

He was in TERRIBLE form for the better part of a year, I saw him miss open goals as though there was no tomorrow.

I'm not saying he was never good, I'm saying he's shit and gets rated for when he WAS good.

Such a fool. Why say all that if you knew what I meant? Does it make you feel big and British?

are you an idiot? you never said he was shit recently. you said he was shit fullstop. i ASSUMED you meant he was playin shit recently. yes he has. does a year of bad luck give you right to say a great striker like raul is shit? no

As I said then.

good. doesnt make him a shit player. it makes him painfully inconsistant

If England are playing a match, Sven puts Crouch on right near the end and changes the way of playing so that he is getting balls fed to him. Then if he scores, everyone goes "OH MY! CROUCH SCORES!". Yes? So what? He rarely starts a game, he's some last minute substitute mug.

yes i agree. take him to world cup. then bang him on in the last 20 minutes if things aint lookin to good. why take 5 similar strikers to the world cup? crouch could prove key in some matches. i never did say he should start for england did i?

Why? Go on, answer my question.

he has been excellent for liverpool this season. he is the main reason they are 4th place. to risk not playing him would be foolish.

[qoute]Because I don't think he will be, nor do a lot of people on this forum. You seriously think there are NO people who disagree with Crouch going? What kind of moron are you? You are so far up Crouch's arse that you want everyone else to daisy chain the man just so you're not alone.[/quote]

oh there will be people who wont want crouch to go. thats because they are clueless and cant see the vital part he could play. thats there delusion.

It's not a fact. A fact, dear boy, isn't something you believe a lot. It's an undeniable truth. Crouch being good isn't one of those. Sorry.

thats why i shoudnt be arguing with you. you havent got a clue. sorry.

You're backing the underdog for the sake of backing the underdog, or maybe you genuinely believe the man is a good player. That's fine with me, but stop prancing around this site thinking that you're a God of footballing knowledge when you can't even differentiate fact from opinion and still believe that Rooney and Crouch are more capable than anyone.

yes i believe he is a good player. havent been listening have you. you must think im the god of footballing knowledge. cos i dont remember stating that. fact is that crouch is not shit. fact. look the word up. please dont tell me you are saying rooney aitn capable now. oh dear the atrocitys continue.

He's not silenced anyone. I thought he was shit before, I think he's shit now. When he starts games and starts playing excellently, we'll talk. He hasn't done so yet.

he starts games for liverpool. and plays excellently in most matches. hardly puts a foot wrong. why did the fans boo the manager when they took him off? cos he was playin class.

Havoc? What? The one goal? If you try something again and again, sooner or later it will work. Nature of physics.

The man caused no havoc, he scored a goal because he was poorly marked by ONE man who ANYBODY could have beat to a ball. What else did he do? Nothing.

All you have to back you up is Uruguay and Argentina. Typical Brit, clinging to a pointless, last minute, jammy win. He falls over himself and loses out to balls with people shorter than he is.

and you are so special and different because you have to bad mouth the english national squad?

what you saying is that crouch has only played against uruguay and argentina in his career? ok. beca\use he has played in other big games before, believe it or not.🙂

You're the one going around saying it's a fact that Crouch is good. It's not is it? It's a fact that water is wet, that gravity exists, it's not a fact that Crouch is good. It's your opinion.

yes it is fact. stop denying it.

Do you think you know about football just because you have a British flag signature or something? Everyone I've seen post here has better football intelligence than you. Then again, a Wolves fan.

when did i state that? getting desperate i feel arnt we AC?

thats rich coming from someone who claims he is a music 'expert'. you like bigging yourself up dont you? lol you obviosuly cant take that im more knowledgable then you. so you continue to hurl abuse. you know im right because you keep bringing up my so called lack of knowledge to make you feel better how sad. yes im a wolves fan. i dont glory support like usual fake football fans too. do you know any of them AC?😆

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Out of all of the favorites for the World Cup - Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina, England - Crouch is the striker with the worst strike rate, but that's OK because he's...tall?

ffs. you still dont get it do you?

Originally posted by Deano
ok lets quit the bullshit, me and you know that they wont be laughing at all.

Did I say they would be? No, you did.

Originally posted by Deano
yes they can deal with situations. i never said they was rendered useless. im saying you cant attach the word 'world class' when it comes to brazillian defenders.

I didn't.

Originally posted by Deano
have you saw him play at all? the man can play football and play it well. like it or not.

Have I SEEN him play? Yes, I don't think he's good "like it or not".

Originally posted by Deano
are you an idiot? you never said he was shit recently. you said he was shit fullstop. i ASSUMED you meant he was playin shit recently. yes he has. does a year of bad luck give you right to say a great striker like raul is shit? no

...and here lies YOUR idiocy. A year of bad luck? Give it a bloody rest. The man played shit for a year and I now class him as an over the hill shit player.

Originally posted by Deano
good. doesnt make him a shit player. it makes him painfully inconsistant

He was great, now I think he's shit.

Originally posted by Deano
yes i agree. take him to world cup. then bang him on in the last 20 minutes if things aint lookin to good. why take 5 similar strikers to the world cup? crouch could prove key in some matches. i never did say he should start for england did i?

He can't start for England, he's not good enough, which is my point. Yes, he's a poacher, that's his game, but he doesn't even do that well. At LEAST Owen is a safe bet when he's one on one with the keeper.

Originally posted by Deano
he has been excellent for liverpool this season. he is the main reason they are 4th place. to risk not playing him would be foolish.

It's not a risk to not play him is it? You're contradicting yourself. If he's a last minute "maybe, maybe not" substitute that won't start for England, how is he a risk NOT to play? England could win this world cup without him and you know it.

Originally posted by Deano
oh there will be people who wont want crouch to go. thats because they are clueless and cant see the vital part he could play. thats there delusion.

Why are you in such rabid denial that it's your OPINION Crouch is good? People dislike Crouch for good reason. If you liked Crouch because he might be able to score the last minute goal, maybe, then fine. You don't though, you think he's some great player.

Originally posted by Deano
thats why i shoudnt be arguing with you. you havent got a clue. sorry.

You are the one claiming that opinions are fact.

Originally posted by Deano
yes i believe he is a good player. havent been listening have you. you must think im the god of footballing knowledge. cos i dont remember stating that. fact is that crouch is not shit. fact. look the word up. please dont tell me you are saying rooney aitn capable now. oh dear the atrocitys continue.

For crying out loud, it's not a fact you idiot. You believe Crouch is great, that's an opinion. It's not a fact.

o·pin·ion
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

That's what your belief is. You believe with confidence that Crouch is great, but you cannot prove it, because it's not a fact. Stop being a retard.

I never said Rooney isn't capable, he's an excellent player.

Originally posted by Deano
he starts games for liverpool. and plays excellently in most matches. hardly puts a foot wrong. why did the fans boo the manager when they took him off? cos he was playin class.

It's the fans that kept Raul in the first team when he was playing dire, because the manager was scared to take him off. Fans cheering or booing means nothing.

Never puts a foot wrong? The man falls over his own feet.

Originally posted by Deano
and you are so special and different because you have to bad mouth the english national squad?

I don't have to, and I'm not. I think Crouch is shit, I think Owen is lame and I think Beckham is an overrated mug. I think Sven is too idiotic to see that he DOES have a wealth of great players at his disposal capable of winning this world cup. I don't dislike the English squad nearly as much as I dislike their fanbase. If they win, I couldn't care less. I've never liked them, never will.

Originally posted by Deano
what you saying is that crouch has only played against uruguay and argentina in his career? ok. beca\use he has played in other big games before, believe it or not.🙂

What's he done? Nothing.

Originally posted by Deano
yes it is fact. stop denying it.

The very fact that I can deny it proves that it's not a fact. It's not. It's your opinion.

I used to think you were just a bit stupid, but you are actually proving yourself to be thick. Claiming "Crouch is great" is a fact. It's not.

Originally posted by Deano
when did i state that? getting desperate i feel arnt we AC?

I asked you, I didn't say you said it.

Originally posted by Deano
thats rich coming from someone who claims he is a music 'expert'. you like bigging yourself up dont you? lol you obviosuly cant take that im more knowledgable then you. so you continue to hurl abuse. you know im right because you keep bringing up my so called lack of knowledge to make you feel better how sad. yes im a wolves fan. i dont glory support like usual fake football fans too. do you know any of them AC?😆

I am, nobody can deny it. I've proven it many times over. You may know stuff about football, you may know lots of stuff, that doesn't matter. Being knowledgeable isn't the same as being intelligent. You can't discuss football intelligently, hence why you're claiming player preference is a fact. You like Crouch, you're not wrong for liking him, but claiming that it's a fact is what's stupid.

I'm not hurling abuse, I'm calling you and idiot because you keep proving you are one. You've been calling people idiots too, don't kick off pot/kettle syndrome.

You're the one using the glory fan argument to make yourself feel right. You feel that because I don't support England I'm a glory fan, I'm not. I'm just seeing this sport for what it is, a sport. Not a war, not a fight, a game. A game I enjoy watching very much and don't take too seriously. I support the team I enjoy the most and since 1994 that has been Brazil 100%. England could win this world cup and Brazil could get knocked out first round, I'd still support them. How is that glory hunting?

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
ffs. you still dont get it do you?

Get what? The reasons why you like Crouch? Yes we do, we just disagree because that's how opinions work.

If you had the brain cells to realise that your belief is an opinion, you'd know why we are free to disagree. You are just lost.

-AC

It's not a risk to not play him is it? You're contradicting yourself. If he's a last minute "maybe, maybe not" substitute that won't start for England, how is he a risk NOT to play? England could win this world cup without him and you know it.

i was talkin about gerrard AC.

look AC. if people dislike crouch then fair enough. if people say that he isnt good enough for the premiership, or england than thats there opinion. but to say he is shit is idiotic. because he isnt.

beckham is overrated? you may have a point. but his passing, shooting and work rate is excellent.

owen is lame? he is not the most exciting player to watch but he'll score the goals for sure. and thats the whole point. sven is a **** yes. i hate him. i would prefer carragher to neville also.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Get what? The reasons why you like Crouch? Yes we do, we just disagree because that's how opinions work.

If you had the brain cells to realise that your belief is an opinion, you'd know why we are free to disagree. You are just lost.

-AC

saying a premiership player is shit ,who has scored 23 goals in a season, and is now playing for england. well thats stupid. its a fact he is not shit. maybe out definition of the word is different.i dunno

Originally posted by Deano
i was talkin about gerrard AC.

Fair enough, I still wouldn't say it's a risk not to play him.

Originally posted by Deano
look AC. if people dislike crouch then fair enough. if people say that he isnt good enough for the premiership, or england than thats there opinion. but to say he is shit is idiotic. because he isnt.

If you think me calling Crouch shit is idiotic, fine. That's still your opinion. There's no fact here, only preference.

To say he's good enough for the premiership just because he's in it is a bit stupid. He was good enough for Southampton and he jumped ship when they were relegated, then had a 24 plus hour goal drought that included missing penalties. Lets not forget that.

Originally posted by Deano
beckham is overrated? you may have a point. but his passing, shooting and work rate is excellent.

What work rate? When Beckham is at his absolute best, he's good, yes. When he is at his best though, the rest of the team have to work to him, they have the play the long ball game. With Beckham gone they lose a way of playing but GAIN many more in it's favour.

Originally posted by Deano
owen is lame? he is not the most exciting player to watch but he'll score the goals for sure. and thats the whole point. sven is a **** yes. i hate him. i would prefer carragher to neville also.

Like I said, he can score one on one a lot of the time, but I think he is lame overall. He could have five lame misses, score one end-of-game goal and everyone goes mad.

Originally posted by Deano
saying a premiership player is shit ,who has scored 23 goals in a season, and is now playing for england. well thats stupid. its a fact he is not shit. maybe out definition of the word is different.i dunno

A) It's not a fact that he's not shit. It's your opinion. Nothing to do with definition. Not matter how hard you believe Crouch isn't shit, it's not a fact. You might think it's the most silly belief in football, but that doesn't mean it's a fact he's not shit.

B) Being a premiership player doesn't make you good. Had Benitez not given into the crowd and papers hype, Crouch would be poaching for Southampton in the first division right now, let's not forget that. He isn't in the premiership because he saved a team and played great, he's there because he was bought after his team got relegated. He was a shit player amongst WORSE players in a team that scored goals because that was their tactic every game, to get the ball to him. It didn't stop them getting sent down and he would have been with them.

-AC

What a match Spur's Vs Blackburn just finished Spurs won 3 - 2 IMO the best game of the season so far.

Originally posted by T.M
What a match Spur's Vs Blackburn just finished Spurs won 3 - 2 IMO the best game of the season so far.

definately one of the best.

didnt leave the edge of my seat at all, pity we were so dominated for 90% of the game haha

Originally posted by Df02
definately one of the best.

didnt leave the edge of my seat at all, pity we were so dominated for 90% of the game haha

😂 I know.. Blackburn dominated the game and imo shouldn't have lost. But in the words of Andy Gray..... "Thats premiership football for you"

great game. wolves striker keane played well😛

Hello there, i've been listening to this whole Crouch dispute, and it's become very apparent to me that alot of people don't have a clue what they're talking about.....how could you possibly leave Crouch out of the World Cup squad?? He offers a different option to us, one that scares defenses, and he has technique to go along with it, and scored a damn lotta goals last season with So'ton.....and yes, I agree he hasn't been shit hot this year, but he's still contributed brilliantly in other departments of being a forward, he's a perfect example of a target man, and is without a shadow of a doubt the 3rd best attacking option available to England, with Owen and Rooney being the other two, and yes I do feel everyone is entitled to their opinion, and every one has a different one about Peter Crouch, for me, I have been on the pro-Peter Crouch bandwagon for sometime.....and he simply has to go to the World Cup, he is easily a potential match winner for us at any time, one defensive lapse, and he'll be there to tuck it away, but to call him shit?? He certainly isn't shit, and the very idea that some of you think that amazes me, I guess his style of play is either enjoyed or frowned upon, but never the less, he is still a quality player, who can cause problems for any defender, from Nesta to Stam, from Lucio to Helguera, from Carvalho to Mellberg.....you name it!!!! But ultimately, there will be an heated discussion, because simply everyone doesn't agree, and I respect people expressing their own opinions towards things, it makes for an interesting subject, so don't shoot me down for jumping to Crouch's defense, I am simply expressing myself and my beliefs in Crouch's ability and what not

Originally posted by Mattomic
Hello there, i've been listening to this whole Crouch dispute, and it's become very apparent to me that alot of people don't have a clue what they're talking about.....how could you possibly leave Crouch out of the World Cup squad?? He offers a different option to us, one that scares defenses, and he has technique to go along with it, and scored a damn lotta goals last season with So'ton.....and yes, I agree he hasn't been shit hot this year, but he's still contributed brilliantly in other departments of being a forward, he's a perfect example of a target man, and is without a shadow of a doubt the 3rd best attacking option available to England, with Owen and Rooney being the other two, and yes I do feel everyone is entitled to their opinion, and every one has a different one about Peter Crouch, for me, I have been on the pro-Peter Crouch bandwagon for sometime.....and he simply has to go to the World Cup, he is easily a potential match winner for us at any time, one defensive lapse, and he'll be there to tuck it away, but to call him shit?? He certainly isn't shit, and the very idea that some of you think that amazes me, I guess his style of play is either enjoyed or frowned upon, but never the less, he is still a quality player, who can cause problems for any defender, from Nesta to Stam, from Lucio to Helguera, from Carvalho to Mellberg.....you name it!!!! But ultimately, there will be an heated discussion, because simply everyone doesn't agree, and I respect people expressing their own opinions towards things, it makes for an interesting subject, so don't shoot me down for jumping to Crouch's defense, I am simply expressing myself and my beliefs in Crouch's ability and what not

Crouch doesn't have technique. He's already getting too much credit here, let's not go overboard. He's a poacher, no technique or great playing ability there.

He's shit in my opinion, in many people's opinions. There's no "Crouch isn't shit, fact."

He's not a quality player. He's a poacher who is brought on as a last minute hope and SOMETIMES, scores a goal if they continue playing the long ball game to him. When he f*cks up he f*cks up royally. The fact that you're hailing Crouch as some blessed wonder for the England squad is what's amazing. 3rd best attacking option? You are seriously claiming the man is better than Defoe and Bent? Give it a rest. He's not a better player than either of them, he might be a better poacher. Those that can't play, poach. Owen isn't as good a player as Defoe, Bent or Rooney, neither is Crouch.

The only way he causes "problems" is if they keep playing the long ball/cross game and he can his his lanky self connected to it which is by no means a guarantee. He's taller, he doesn't have a magic heading ability.

-AC

if they need someone whos a quality header of the ball... why not draft in Beattie who is actually respectable on the ground as well?

Because they want to prove that he's a gimmick that works.

Pointless.

Good game today though wasn't it? (Spurs/Blackburn).

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
ffs. you still dont get it do you?

No, I don't get why he is in the squad just because he's tall. Why don't we just stick some robotic legs on a lamp-post and put that in the squad if being tall is so important...

incredible game... if you're a neutral haha, i was on the edge of my seat from start to finish, literally, not even as a figure of speech.

great goal by Keane, and to think at the start i was moaning at how Defoe should start more, soon shut me up.
However i don't think he was man of the match, Dawson was incredible... bad positioning for their first goal but absolutely unbeatable in the centre, ball was magnetised towards his head.

Crouch isnt good, he's useful ocassionally, but he's not good... thats not a fact, its an opinion.
But at the same time you can't say Crouch is shit is a fact either, but im sure you know that already AC.

Beattie > Crouch though.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
No, I don't get why he is in the squad just because he's tall. Why don't we just stick some robotic legs on a lamp-post and put that in the squad if being tall is so important...

im pretty sure if we planted it in the box without the legs Gerrard/Lampard/Beckham/Carrick could deflect a cross off it for a goal... would be more useful and definately wouldnt fall over itself as much

Originally posted by Df02
incredible game... if you're a neutral haha, i was on the edge of my seat from start to finish, literally, not even as a figure of speech.

Forgive me for being pedantic, but using the word 'literally' means what you said is a figure of speech. Semantics, haw-haw, snoot-snoot...

Yeah, it was a great game. I was a little worried that the ol' Lily Whites might lose it considering our recent stut-stut-stuttering form, but luckily we scraped it in the end. Keane was great, but I hope Defoe gets enough games before the end of the season so he can be part of the World Cup. Let's hope we can hold on to 4th place.

Originally posted by Df02
if they need someone whos a quality header of the ball... why not draft in Beattie who is actually respectable on the ground as well?

Agreed. for me Beattie is a much better header of the ball than Crouch. Just because Crouch is tall doesn't mean he is good in the air.

I still think his height is the main reason he has got to wear he is today though. He is not the best technical player, He isn't great in the air, he doesn't have amazing skill... his height cause's defenders problems which is why he will be in the England squad for the world cup because no other English forward has that.