Oh and I don't care that it happened to a 19 year old. People get broken legs... Most people don't get paid a fortune in the process. I can't feel sorry for the guy. He's not dead, his operation went well and his career probably isn't over. If it is then he'll have to get a normal job like everyone else.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I never even wanted a debate. Hence the reason I diffused it with a stupid comment. Anyone who wants a debate with you is stupid. You never back down. You're a brick wall, it's worthless, people who want to debate with you can. I just came here to talk footie. So let's end this crap now,
Thats an excellent description of AC 😆
Arsenal is the top club everyone is trying to put down before they dominate the WORLD (even though they got well beaten a few times this season by vastly superior teams) and anyone who does anything against them let alone foul one of their super brilliant players is an evil Lex Luthor type villian, world control freak.
😱
Originally posted by §P0oONY
The SPL is shit (I'm not Scottish). Most Scots admit that the SPL isn't very good. I support the magpies, which are also in a worse league. As for Premiership sides though, I just don't like Arsenal, I think Wenger is an annoying prick.I never even wanted a debate. Hence the reason I diffused it with a stupid comment. Anyone who wants a debate with you is stupid. You never back down. You're a brick wall, it's worthless, people who want to debate with you can. I just came here to talk footie. So let's end this crap now,
You wanted to. You were absolutely and clearly up for it until I decimated your pathetic, mindless and thuggish argument. THEN I became someone who isn't worth the time. I've seen that tactic a billion times before. I'd be worth the time if you could beat me. It's cowardice.
I'd love to talk footie, but apparantly you know nothing of it. As for you being so non-chalant, we'll see how you feel if your child ever suffers an Aaron Ramsey injury. You'd be fuming.
Bic, if you can't reply sensibly then don't reply at all. It's counter-productive.
I've specifically said I don't think there's a global conspiracy, I've stated facts and raised questions that you or Spooney haven't been able to react to or counter.
-AC
Originally posted by Nihilist
Not suprising Wenger making a massive deal out of Ramseys leg break("we need more protection"😉😂, suppose if Aresnal players went into taclkes fully committed it wouldnt happen.
That would cause more injuries to both Arsenal players and other players.
Oh, it's Nihilist. Should have known someone else who knows nothing about football would show up.
You're so silly.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriJust shows that you have never played football.
That would cause more injuries to both Arsenal players and other players.
Oh, it's Nihilist. Should have known someone else who knows nothing about football would show up.You have just made a fool of yourself with your above statement.You're so silly.
-AC
Originally posted by Nihilist
Just shows that you have never played football.You have just made a fool of yourself with your above statement.
Hahaha, I've never played football? Ever? What a funny statement.
Shh. Just...just leave it to those who know what they're talking about, Nihilist. Really.
It's adorable, this obsession you have with me, but I'd much rather any ironic hate gets directed to PM. I'm here to talk about football. If it wasn't an Arsenal player, you wouldn't be saying anything negative.
Love the sig, though. You got that one right.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIts clear you have never kicked a ball in a competative manner.
Hahaha, I've never played football? Ever? What a funny statement.
Shh. Just...just leave it to those who know what they're talking about, Nihilist. Really.You sure know your stuff, thats why everbody finds faults in every football related post you make.
It's adorable, this obsession you have with me, but I'd much rather any ironic hate gets directed to PM. I'm here to talk about football. If it wasn't an Arsenal player, you wouldn't be saying anything negative.😂 You PM'd me first saying reported, obsessed...no, i just dont like cowards that squeal to mod friends thats all.
I fell sorry for Ramsey, but Wenger was more concerned about his players getting more protection, when all 3 injuries was accidental.
You need to change your act, this whole condicending routine of yours is boring.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Its clear you have never kicked a ball in a competative manner.You sure know your stuff, thats why everbody finds faults in every football related post you make.
1. Gonna need factual proof of that. Definitely going to need you to factually prove I've never done that (You can't, save time and move on).
2. Everyone? Who's everyone? Names? Examples? That's your tactic, say all this stuff but never prove it. As proof, THIS is what you'll dwell on. Not my other points in this post.
Originally posted by Nihilist
😂 You PM'd me first saying reported, obsessed...no, i just dont like cowards that squeal to mod friends thats all.
This part isn't to do with the topic, replied to you via PM.
Originally posted by Nihilist
I fell sorry for Ramsey, but Wenger was more concerned about his players getting more protection, when all 3 injuries was accidental.You need to change your act, this whole condicending routine of yours is boring.
Re-read that first part back and try to comprehend the debate, my son.
It's not a matter of it being accidental, of COURSE they were accidents. The argument was never about any of these players meaning it. The argument was about how reckless the tackles are and how three times in five years, when previously such injuries were rare, might not be a TOTAL coincidence.
Still, let's talk some football. Liverpool fan, right?
They're doing amazing. Well, they're 13 points off the top and in sixth place on account of being dire and shit, but do you think it'll be their season THIS time?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIts a common know fact that if you go into a tackle half hearted you will get injured.
1. Gonna need factual proof of that. Definitely going to need to you factually prove I've never done that (You can't, save time and move on).
2. Everyone? Who's everyone? Names? Examples? That's your tactic, say all this stuff but never prove it. As proof, THIS is what you'll dwell on. Not my other points in this post.Any one of the many posters from this thread.
This part isn't to do with the topic, replied to you via PM.Just read it, more "im gonna tell the mods on you" stuff.
Re-read that first part back and try to comprehend the debate, my son.All the tackles were just clumsy, but because Arsenal cant handle any physical treatment its all a conspiracy beat the crap out of Arsenal.It's not a matter of it being accidental, of COURSE they were accidents. The argument was never about any of these players meaning it. The argument was about how reckless the tackles are and how three times in five years, when previously such injuries were rare, might not be a TOTAL coincidence.
Still, let's talk some football. Liverpool fan, right?They're doing amazing. Well, they're 13 points off the top and in sixth place on account of being dire and shit, but do you think it'll be their season THIS time?
Wrong again im not a Liverpool fan, i support my home town club Hull City and go to all the home games, unlike you who watches Arsenal on tv(prolly only started supporting them when they started to win stuff) and dont claim your not a glory hunter, you support Brazil.
And as for the whole Liverpool thing, its funny coming from Arsenal fan, a team that havent won anything in how long as well, and always lbottle it against the big teams like Manu and Chelsea.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Its a common know fact that if you go into a tackle half hearted you will get injured.
It's also a commonly known fact that fully committed tackles to not equal disciplined tackles.
Also, if it's a commonly known fact...how can you have needed to play football competitively to know that? Not everyone commonly plays at competitive level. Sort of contradicted yourself there and ended your own argument.
Anyway, yeah, I said:
"Gonna need factual proof of that. Definitely going to need to you factually prove I've never done that (You can't, save time and move on).".
Might wanna answer that. Unless you're afraid to.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Any one of the many posters from this thread.
Go on. Examples and names.
I'm all ears.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Just read it, more "im gonna tell the mods on you" stuff.
No, it was actually: "Are you suggesting that mods are exercising favouritism for warning you for flaming someone repeatedly?".
Nothing like "I'm gonna tell the mods on you". Why are you bringing it back into the thread? Why are you then PMing me saying that all the mods you speak to are dissing me, while saying they're all my friends and I've got them in my pocket? I take it to PMs and you bring it back. There's just no need.
Originally posted by Nihilist
All the tackles were just clumsy, but because Arsenal cant handle any physical treatment its all a conspiracy beat the crap out of Arsenal.
Exactly, and when you're a professional who risks the health of peers when BEING clumsy, you should exercise discipline.
Furthermore, I've openly said it's not a conspiracy. I've openly said that I don't believe everyone is out to break the legs of the players. The fact that those injuries are rare, or were, until the three in five years of Arsenal, four if you include Adebayor, suggests that though there's no conspiracy, it might be more than entire coincidence.
You prove that. It's a well known fact that teams try to be more physical against Arsenal. Journalists, pundits, players, they all know it. Ricardo Fuller even admitted it. Hence the suggestion that it might not be total coincidence.
Read my posts or be quiet.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Wrong again im not a Liverpool fan, i support my home town club Hull City and go to all the home games, unlike you who watches Arsenal on tv(prolly only started supporting them when they started to win stuff) and dont claim your not a glory hunter, you support Brazil.
Hull City, huh? Hmm. What? No, they're awesome! Nothing. Wasn't gonna say anything.
I've supported Arsenal since I was five years old. I've been to many, MANY games. Where did you get such an outlandish claim, or did you just panic because you can't debate the topic?
Glory hunter? I've supported Brazil since 1994, they've lost major games since then, including two World Cups. I support them regardless of winning or losing.
You're one of those people who feel that because your parents conceived you in a specific place, that you are bound to support them by law. I'm not, I can support whoever I want. Anyone can support whoever they want.
Funny, you can't debate the injury topic so you tried to shift it. Sad.
Originally posted by Nihilist
And as for the whole Liverpool thing, its funny coming from Arsenal fan, a team that havent won anything in how long as well, and always lbottle it against the big teams like Manu and Chelsea.
First English team to beat AC Milan on home turf in the Champions' League, first English team to beat Real Madrid on home turf in the Champions' League, only team to have ever won the league unbeaten.
Arsenal ARE going through a trophyless patch, but we've won the league multiple times and in historic, unrepeated fashion since Liverpool last did.
What did they last win of GREAT merit? Champions' League? They won that after going three goals down, Milan laying down and Gerrard diving to earn the penalty that TOOK them to penalties.
Yes, tremendous win. Still, all you can do is live in the now. Past glories for EITHER team are past glories. Arsenal currently sit 3rd, three points off the leaders. Liverpool sit 6th, 13 points off the leaders. Arsenal have beaten Liverpool in the league. There's no comparison between the two.
Arsenal don't bottle it, they play stupidly. That's not defending Arsenal, but if you're gonna criticise how they play against Man Utd then at least pick the right flaw. They played naive and stupid football, that's why they lost. When they don't, they either draw or win. See the game at the Emirates when Arsenal took them apart like Argentina and then Nasri smashed the ball past Van der Sar from just inside the area.
That, or watch some football. You know nothing.
I can't wait to see your reply. I bet it contains personal remarks, bitching and no relevant counter.
-AC
[i]Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIf you had played like you claim, you would at some point no gone into a taclkle fully committed and come of worse than what you have when fully committed for the vast majority of times.It's also a commonly known fact that fully committed tackles to not equal disciplined tackles.Clumsy misstimed tackles does no mean poor discipline.Also, if it's a commonly known fact...how can you have needed to play football competitively to know that? Not everyone commonly plays at competitive level. Sort of contradicted yourself there and ended your own argument.
Anyway, yeah, I said:Other than your own unknowledgable comments on how football is played pphysically its impossible for me to do so.( if you have like you say, (why dont you name the teams you played/play for then, so i can check)"Gonna need factual proof of that. Definitely going to need to you factually prove I've never done that (You can't, save time and move on).".
Might wanna answer that. Unless you're afraid to.
Go on. Examples and names.I'm all ears.
No, it was actually: "Are you suggesting that mods are exercising favouritism for warning you for flaming someone repeatedly?".
Nothing like "I'm gonna tell the mods on you". Why are you bringing it back into the thread? Why are you then PMing me saying that all the mods you speak to are dissing me, while saying they're all my friends and I've got them in my pocket? I take it to PMs and you bring it back. There's just no need.
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Exactly, and when you're a professional who risks the health of peers when BEING clumsy, you should exercise discipline.
Furthermore, I've openly said it's not a conspiracy. I've openly said that I don't believe everyone is out to break the legs of the players. The fact that those injuries are rare, or were, until the three in five years of Arsenal, four if you include Adebayor, suggests that though there's no conspiracy, it might be more than entire coincidence.
You prove that. It's a well known fact that teams try to be more physical against Arsenal. Journalists, pundits, players, they all know it. Ricardo Fuller even admitted it. Hence the suggestion that it might not be total coincidence.
Read my posts or be quiet.
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Hull City, huh? Hmm. What? No, they're awesome! Nothing. Wasn't gonna say anything.
I've supported Arsenal since I was five years old. I've been to many, MANY games. Where did you get such an outlandish claim, or did you just panic because you can't debate the topic?
Glory hunter? I've supported Brazil since 1994, they've lost major games since then, including two World Cups. I support them regardless of winning or losing.
You're one of those people who feel that because your parents conceived you in a specific place, that you are bound to support them by law. I'm not, I can support whoever I want. Anyone can support whoever they want.
Funny, you can't debate the injury topic so you tried to shift it. Sad.
First English team to beat AC Milan on home turf in the Champions' League, first English team to beat Real Madrid on home turf in the Champions' League, only team to have ever won the league unbeaten.
Arsenal ARE going through a trophyless patch, but we've won the league multiple times and in historic, unrepeated fashion since Liverpool last did.
What did they last win of GREAT merit? Champions' League? They won that after going three goals down, Milan laying down and Gerrard diving to earn the penalty that TOOK them to penalties.
Yes, tremendous win. Still, all you can do is live in the now. Past glories for EITHER team are past glories. Arsenal currently sit 3rd, three points off the leaders. Liverpool sit 6th, 13 points off the leaders. Arsenal have beaten Liverpool in the league. There's no comparison between the two.
Arsenal don't bottle it, they play stupidly. That's not defending Arsenal, but if you're gonna criticise how they play against Man Utd then at least pick the right flaw. They played naive and stupid football, that's why they lost. When they don't, they either draw or win. See the game at the Emirates when Arsenal took them apart like Argentina and then Nasri smashed the ball past Van der Sar from just inside the area.
That, or watch some football. You know nothing.
I can't wait to see your reply. I bet it contains personal remarks, bitching and no relevant counter.
-AC [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Nihilist
Clumsy misstimed tackles does no mean poor discipline.
In the case of Ryan Shawcross, a repeat offender (Three times against Arsenal), it absolutely does.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Other than your own unknowledgable comments on how football is played pphysically its impossible for me to do so.( if you have like you say, (why dont you name the teams you played/play for then, so i can check)
Then why did you say it? Why did you say such a thing if you know, for a fact, that it was something you were just saying out of nothing? You said it was a fact and you know you couldn't prove it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWhat about when Eduardo had his leg broken? Dave Busst? Djibril Cisse? Should they just f*ck off because they don't like potentially being disabled?
-AC [/B]
In Dave Busst's case the only person who went in wrecklessly into that 3 man collision was Dave Busst...He went flying in with both feet.
As for wreckless challenges...Keane on Håland, Muamba-Musasa on Ngulube. Recently, Ridgewell on Macarthy...Even Ballack on Tevez were far more wreckless than Shawcross along with many more.
Let's also not forget that Arsenal have had their share of complete nutters over the years...Martin Keown, Tony Adams, Patrick Viera. None of them were shy in throwing in a harsh tackle...
Seems to me that the fact that many players openly say that they are going to play more aggresively against Arsenal is more of a mind game
Referees also admit that they feel they have to protect the England captain a lot more than others when it comes to roughness.
Out of curiousity...Which referees?
Give me the list then. It seems like everyone feels these injuries are common and we need to accept them.
Totti, Larsson, Dyer, Marcin Waselewski, Ngulube, Bouma (which was his own fault), Casiraghi, Nilis...There's been quite a lot.
On the flip side though, look at the two most highly regarded strikers in the world...Pele and Maradona...At the height of their skill they were both targeted as individuals about as much as the current Arsenal team are targeted collectively. Maradona against Korea and Pele against Bulgaria being the best examples. They both came away unscathed...I remeber how frustrated Pele was in that game and ended up resorting to elbowing a guy in the face because he kept kicking the back of his legs over and over again without even trying to get the ball.
Why?...Because sometimes it's just bad luck. Henrik Larrson's break was mostly because his boot studs stuck in the grass rather than the tackle itself...
Originally posted by jaden101
In Dave Busst's case the only person who went in wrecklessly into that 3 man collision was Dave Busst...He went flying in with both feet.As for wreckless challenges...Keane on Håland, Muamba-Musasa on Ngulube. Recently, Ridgewell on Macarthy...Even Ballack on Tevez were far more wreckless than Shawcross along with many more.
Keane's wasn't reckless, it was assault. Actually the most disgusting thing I'd seen until Ben Thatcher on Mendes.
That's the point though. You can remember these instances by name BECAUSE they're horrific.
Originally posted by jaden101
Let's also not forget that Arsenal have had their share of complete nutters over the years...Martin Keown, Tony Adams, Patrick Viera. None of them were shy in throwing in a harsh tackle...
Keown I can agree with. The way he handled himself sometimes was truly despicable. Viera was more temper on the field than converting that into a lack of disciplined tackles, and Adams has always been known way more for his brilliant defending than breaking legs (Which I'm not sure he even did).
Originally posted by jaden101
Seems to me that the fact that many players openly say that they are going to play more aggresively against Arsenal is more of a mind game
Then they can't expect Wenger to not have a moan when three times in five years, legs get broken.
"Oh, but we just say it, we don't mean it.". Doesn't help the case, does it?
What bothers me is the flux of: "It wasn't malicious." waves. Nobody suggests it was. It's still reckless and it needs to be watched. If it happened to Terry I'd say the same.
Originally posted by jaden101
Out of curiousity...Which referees?
I can't remember his name, but it was on Football365. I've got no reason to lie, it was out there.
Originally posted by jaden101
Totti, Larsson, Dyer, Marcin Waselewski, Ngulube, Bouma (which was his own fault), Casiraghi, Nilis...There's been quite a lot.
Some of those weren't even tackles though. Cisse's second one...or first...wasn't a tackle.
Originally posted by jaden101
On the flip side though, look at the two most highly regarded strikers in the world...Pele and Maradona...At the height of their skill they were both targeted as individuals about as much as the current Arsenal team are targeted collectively. Maradona against Korea and Pele against Bulgaria being the best examples. They both came away unscathed...I remeber how frustrated Pele was in that game and ended up resorting to elbowing a guy in the face because he kept kicking the back of his legs over and over again without even trying to get the ball.Why?...Because sometimes it's just bad luck. Henrik Larrson's break was mostly because his boot studs stuck in the grass rather than the tackle itself...
It's not bad luck any more than it's GOOD luck that they came away unscathed. In fact, it's more luck on THEIR end. When someone's TRYING to injure or impede you and you get away unscathed, you got lucky.
That plus the fact that I'm sure there's an element of being shown up by a 19 year old who is better than you'll ever be in your life.
It's all about "Arsenal don't like it up 'em". If "up 'em" means being kicked, then no, Arsenal do not. No team should like it up 'em because that shouldn't be the aim.
There are clear reasons why it happens to certain players and not others, too. Rooney because he's the nation's golden boy, but also because he's liable to get up and headbutt you. I'd say the same about Campbell or Vermaelen. When we had Viera, Petit, Adams...this wasn't happening because they knew they'd get it back (Not right, there shouldn't be anything like that FROM or AGAINST Arsenal). It's cowardice. They do it against Ramsey because...what's Ramsey gonna do? The kid's 19.
Proof if it were needed, Keane and Haaland. Haaland injured him and Keane waited for however long it was to specifically come back and injure the man. There's a reason why, for all their feuds, he never tried doing in Viera.
I'm just saying, there's not a conspiracy but it's absolutely not as open and shut as people would have you believe.
-AC
[i]Originally posted by Alpha CentauriJust read through this thread, i aint gathering all the info for the likes of you.Go on. Examples and names.
I'm all ears.
No, it was actually: "Are you suggesting that mods are exercising favouritism for warning you for flaming someone repeatedly?".Like when you said via PM "all this stuff i can be used as evidence in a case against you" or words to that effect.Nothing like "I'm gonna tell the mods on you". Why are you bringing it back into the thread? Why are you then PMing me saying that all the mods you speak to are dissing me, while saying they're all my friends and I've got them in my pocket? I take it to PMs and you bring it back. There's just no need.
Exactly, and when you're a professional who risks the health of peers when BEING clumsy, you should exercise discipline.Ever hear of fatigue playing a part on players actions.
Furthermore, I've openly said it's not a conspiracy. I've openly said that I don't believe everyone is out to break the legs of the players. The fact that those injuries are rare, or were, until the three in five years of Arsenal, four if you include Adebayor, suggests that though there's no conspiracy, it might be more than entire coincidence.Its not other teams faults if Arsenal are not physically tuff enough, these same teams use that tactic against all sides.
You prove that. It's a well known fact that teams try to be more physical against Arsenal. Journalists, pundits, players, they all know it. Ricardo Fuller even admitted it. Hence the suggestion that it might not be total coincidence.[quote]Its just a poor excuse used regulary by Wenger when Arsenal dont win or dominate possesion.Change the record this one is repetative and boring.[quote]Read my posts or be quiet.
Hull City, huh? Hmm. What? No, they're awesome! Nothing. Wasn't gonna say anything.Big deal we are are small club with far less money and resources than the likes of Arsenal, yet we still managed to humiliate them at the Emirates.
I've supported Arsenal since I was five years old. I've been to many, MANY games. Where did you get such an outlandish claim, or did you just panic because you can't debate the topic?Yeah of course you have, its not like you dont lie .
Glory hunter? I've supported Brazil since 1994, they've lost major games since then, including two World Cups. I support them regardless of winning or losing.You mean a World Cup in which they was favourites and won it in 94, and favourites again in 98 also getting to the final, same with 2002 winning it again, yeah not a glory hunter at all.
You're one of those people who feel that because your parents conceived you in a specific place, that you are bound to support them by law. I'm not, I can support whoever I want. Anyone can support whoever they want.You couldnt be more wrong if you tried, i was born in Manchester, my father is a life long Manu fan for over 40+ years. I chose to support Hull City and not be a sheep like you.
Funny, you can't debate the injury topic so you tried to shift it. Sad.Bwhahaha, you brought up the whole me "being a Liverpool fan" with your rant.
First English team to beat AC Milan on home turf in the Champions' League, first English team to beat Real Madrid on home turf in the Champions' League, only team to have ever won the league unbeaten.Like i said im no Liverpool fan, so your inferiority complex about them is non of my concern.Arsenal ARE going through a trophyless patch, but we've won the league multiple times and in historic, unrepeated fashion since Liverpool last did.
What did they last win of GREAT merit? Champions' League? They won that after going three goals down, Milan laying down and Gerrard diving to earn the penalty that TOOK them to penalties.
Yes, tremendous win. Still, all you can do is live in the now. Past glories for EITHER team are past glories. Arsenal currently sit 3rd, three points off the leaders. Liverpool sit 6th, 13 points off the leaders. Arsenal have beaten Liverpool in the league. There's no comparison between the two.
Arsenal don't bottle it, they play stupidly. That's not defending Arsenal, but if you're gonna criticise how they play against Man Utd then at least pick the right flaw. They played naive and stupid football, that's why they lost. When they don't, they either draw or win. See the game at the Emirates when Arsenal took them apart like Argentina and then Nasri smashed the ball past Van der Sar from just inside the area.Man U wiped the floor with Arsenal at the Emirates recently, just like they did in the Cahmpions league, it was like boys against men.
That, or watch some football. You know nothing.I know far mor than you, which isnt hard though really.
I can't wait to see your reply. I bet it contains personal remarks, bitching and no relevant counter.Like your posts you mean.-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriA guy whos whole game is based on the physical aspect of the game, like he does in every game.In the case of Ryan Shawcross, a repeat offender (Three times against Arsenal), it absolutely does.
Then why did you say it? Why did you say such a thing if you know, for a fact, that it was something you were just saying out of nothing? You said it was a fact and you know you couldn't prove it.Why dont you give some of the team names then, i can easy check through the county FA and district websites.-AC [/B]
Keane's wasn't reckless, it was assault. Actually the most disgusting thing I'd seen until Ben Thatcher on Mendes.That's the point though. You can remember these instances by name BECAUSE they're horrific.
You remember Harald Schumacher for Germany against France when he nearly took Battiston's head off even though he'd knocked the ball past Schumacher about 10 yards before they collided...That was probably the worst I've seen.
You later in this post mention Cisse...People remember the horrific injury but the actual break itself wasn't a tackle. Many leg breaks aren't because of the tackle but simply bad luck. There are countless other players who've been on the receiving end of worse tacklels but came away without breaks but no one remembers them because there was nothing horrific in the outcome.
Keown I can agree with. The way he handled himself sometimes was truly despicable. Viera was more temper on the field than converting that into a lack of disciplined tackles, and Adams has always been known way more for his brilliant defending than breaking legs (Which I'm not sure he even did).
I'm not saying they were all going in with the mindset to clobber players as hard as they could (although Keown did admit to doing so and enjoying watching players he'd tackled getting stretchered off). All i'm saying as that many of their tackles...While effective, they all sometimes went in harder than needed and perhaps were lucky to have never injured someone seriously.
Then they can't expect Wenger to not have a moan when three times in five years, legs get broken. "Oh, but we just say it, we don't mean it.". Doesn't help the case, does it? What bothers me is the flux of: "It wasn't malicious." waves. Nobody suggests it was. It's still reckless and it needs to be watched. If it happened to Terry I'd say the same.
I think if it is malicious (Like Keane's) then more severe punishment should be handed out. On the whole though, I think, as i've stated, a lot of the outcomes of these clashes are down to bad luck and bad timing. Take Eduardo for example. He was the more skilled and quick player...He got his foot to the ball faster and got it away...Unfortunately for him, his opponent's foot was still going to where the ball was and where Eduardo's foot was sitting....The result...Crunch...A split second the other way and it could've been the total opposite...Seems to be the same case with Shawcross and Ramsey...In this case it was Shawcross who won the previous tackle and so they both went for the loose ball...Ramsey was clearly going in faster and harder for it but he came off worse because of the way they collided.
I don't think there's really a point of punishing every player who is on the "lucky" side of these challenges though. I don't think that should be done by default as it'd just be potentially ended someone else's career. Length bans should be imposed if it's clearly meant though.
It's not bad luck any more than it's GOOD luck that they came away unscathed. In fact, it's more luck on THEIR end. When someone's TRYING to injure or impede you and you get away unscathed, you got lucky.
I'm not talking about the tackles which are clearly malicious though. I'm talking about those where 2 players go in equally committed and one comes off worse than the other usually the result of them getting to the ball a split second earlier and so the other players foot comes down on their ankle.
It's all about "Arsenal don't like it up 'em". If "up 'em" means being kicked, then no, Arsenal do not. No team should like it up 'em because that shouldn't be the aim.
The question would be though, how many of the players who've openly said they're going to go out and physically be more aggresive toward Arsenal have actually been booked for fouls against them?...My guess would be not many. Hence i'm saying it's more for mind games.
I do think that when Arsenal play other teams off the pitch then the opposing team's frustration will set in and perhaps the mindset of "we've not getting the piss taken out of us by a bunch of kids" sets in. This might lead to more aggressive play...I'm not saying that means flying in dangerous tackles left, right and centre but even just pushing off the ball more...And when Arsenal have a team that isn't all that physically powerful then that's obviously going to work.
I do think it's stupid when commentators like the one you posted the video are saying that teams should deliberately commit a foul and take the consequences to stop teams scoring...That clearly is the wrong message to put out.
There are clear reasons why it happens to certain players and not others, too. Rooney because he's the nation's golden boy, but also because he's liable to get up and headbutt you.
Can't remember that far back but i'm sure Rooney took a few challenges at Everton when he was taking the piss out of players older and more experienced than him. Most great young players will...Until they're in their physical prime then taking hits from more imposing players will always have a higher risk...I guess with Arsenal having a young team this will be a problem (and clearly is).